Sunspears Title Track for non-elonian characters

My opinions on this matter is, my Warrior took about 2 or 3 hours just doing quests and got the 2500 points, I have more then 3000++ at the moment,

What do you want, beat the game in 2 hours instead ?

Oh and Heroes level really fast... I think what Cherrie's trying to get at is that GW was never intended to be one of those XP grind games of old. One of the original intents was to eliminate repetative grinding, but there are distinct portions of the game that force this type of grinding (including the mission system by not having rez shrines or save points). For those who have the necessary time to dedicate to this grinding, it's not a problem, but to the casual player who may only have a handful of hours to play per week, it's really unfair. For the casual player, leveling up Koss might in reality take them a week or two of available play time, where for others, it's just a small portion of one day.

Since GW was also originally intended to be a game geared for the casual player, situations like this need to be looked at and tweaked so that the non-power gamer has an opportunity to get through the game in a reasonable amount of time with the least amount of grinding necessary.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

i dont care about points, i care about fun! As do I, but I don't find forced repetative grinding to be fun - I would much rather be playing a new part of the game with that time. A perfect example are the two non-elonian heroes. I picked them up for my Assassin so I can have a chance at getting the Master's for the Factions missions, and have grown tired spending half of my available time each day just trying to join or form a group.

However, those heroes are both level 15, which is fine for Kryta, but just as usless as the henchies of old for the Faction mainland and anything beyond the Maguuma jungle. So instead of spending all my time in Elona today, I spent the better part of three hours just getting them to level 18 so I could test them in the first two KC missions (and now a few more minutes here bitching about it ). Upon reaching Elona with my A, I will then have to level up the Heroes there, who start at n00b levels. That will be more hours spent doing that instead of enjoying Elona or trying to complete Factions sometime before Campaign 8 hits.

An easy fix for this is just to have the Heroes match your character's current level when you pick them up. Therefore, starting Elonians still get the level 2 Koss, but a Level 20 Canthan will be able to pick him up at level 20.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Let me repeat what I said for much of yesterday: I HATE grinding for sunspear points!

I wanted to get as far as possible as soon as possible, but this requirement is seriously slowing me down. And it's not fun. No grinding required - explore all the areas you visit after landing on the mainland (visiting shrines of course) and do all the quests and you'll be at 2500 at about the same time as the 'leader' quest comes up.

There should be a heads up in game that tells you to visit shines and killing mobs along your way while questing. I'm lucky that I read before I play, I read that I need 2500 points, so when I bring my tyria character to elona, whenever I quest/travel, I always visit shines and kill mobs along the way. Note that I did not wipe out the whole map, I just kill mobs along while questing. But I did have to do that command post side quest which requires 3 quests, I got to 2450 after completing all but two side quests in command post. Then I just went out and kill a few things and that was it. Good luck There is a sort of heads up as the scouts have an exclamation point over their heads until you talk to your first one. However, I have noticed that the bulk of them offer bounties on creatures that are not in the general vicinity (such as one offering a skale bounty but only plants and insects are around), so I have to run to each shrine to try to activate all the bounties before killing anything so I don't waste the effort.

Another part of the problem is that once you get past the Jarin Plains, you're running into mobs that will easily overpower any lvl 5 or below characters. I have spent the last two days leveling my Necro to 6 and have just now finally been able to clear out the Cliffs region without getting slaughtered. I don't even want to attempt Zehlon until level 10 at least because during the Preview weekend my level 8's were continually getting slaughtered in that area. So I will have to perform some grinding within the next few days. It's just like coming from Pre-Searing or hitting the mainland in Factions - the jump in mob abilities from the tutorial areas to the main areas is just to wide of a gap for a lot of new players.

I think they just should have bumped up the XP rewards for the early quests, like they did in Factions. It allowed you to reach a decent level without having to grind XP just to avoid getting overwhelmed. I really don't care about the survivor title (but it would be nice to have ONE character achieve it), but I hate dying nonetheless - I have flashbacks to the classic RPG's where death had meaningful penalties, including potential loss of the character, but at least it was damn hard to get killed. Here, the DP is an annoyance, and a grind inducer, but I hate the fact that there are quests where you are practically guaranteed several deaths until completion (Captured Son, anyone?).

Short story long - I just hate grind!!

Hanok Obrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Another part of the problem is that once you get past the Jarin Plains, you're running into mobs that will easily overpower any lvl 5 or below characters. I have spent the last two days leveling my Necro to 6 and have just now finally been able to clear out the Cliffs region without getting slaughtered. I don't even want to attempt Zehlon until level 10 at least because during the Preview weekend my level 8's were continually getting slaughtered in that area. So I will have to perform some grinding within the next few days. It's just like coming from Pre-Searing or hitting the mainland in Factions - the jump in mob abilities from the tutorial areas to the main areas is just to wide of a gap for a lot of new players. Don't worry, Zehlon got toned down.

If you're like me, the part of Zehlon you would have been having trouble with are the groups of 3 lances (2 preying and 1 grub), especially in clumps where you usually cop more than one group at once? Now, most of those groups only have a single lance accompanied by two L7 termites - only a small change in total levels per group, but it does seem to make them considerably less nasty.

If it hasn't been said, there's a quest in LA that gives you a lvl 15 necro hero called Gain Orias I have to have him!

Is there any precondition on you getting this hero other than you having a Tyrian char, for example any earlier quests or missions? Do you have to be a certain amount through the game?

Who gives the the quest?

Cheers

Dont see what ppl are complaining about... Took me maybe 2.5 hrs to get it. While I was getting it, I killed loads of bosses, got green drops, got skills capped and some gold unlocks.

Any complaints? Yes, we're complaining about that 2.5 hours. Which part didn't you understand?

I have to have him!

Is there any precondition on you getting this hero other than you having a Tyrian char, for example any earlier quests or missions? Do you have to be a certain amount through the game?

Who gives the the quest?

Cheers The same lionguard who gives the quest to reach Elona - forget his name, but he is on the docks near Jiaju and the Canthan Ambassador.

Hanok Odbroook
Real Millennium Group Guild
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

What did you just want everything handed to you like your mommy used to? If there wasn't any work involved, then there would be no feeling of achievment at all.

Yea you're probably right, this is the wrong game for you. If you want a game where everything is easy and requires no work or thought at all, try playing candyland or something. uh, when I read ppl like you, I feel sick. Spare some time to read the topic first to get a general idea on what it's about and what people have on mind before you show off your me>you attitude. And no, I don't.

Anyways, where were we... ah. Well it doesn't take so much time after you get the general idea where the shrines are located etc, so I'm done with that quest for quite a bit now. Still I think that outlanders have more extra work involved than elonian-borns and some players might not like it. Just my oppinion.