Bring back 8 vs 8 Heroes Ascent!

I know this has been suggested, but I cant seem to find it anywhere. Anyways this speaks for itself, many of the greatest HA players (Like washing machine, spearsmen etc) stopped playing HA, high rankers are quitting etc. I personally don't care much, I think its a good change, gets rid of brainless spike builds and makes people actually have to think to win. Just pointing out that guild wars will probably lose over $100,000 over this little decision, there's countless of people quitting guild wars or selling their accounts even from it. Making a SEPARATE 6 vs 6 would be cool, but most people seemed to like HA as 8 vs 8.

and ppl selling their r10+ accounts for $400 on eBay.

I can't support your money theory, but I would like the two seperate.

I LIKE that people are MADE to adapt. We don't want this to become CS, a stagnant, unchanging game, where people continually do the same thing in the same arenas and people spit out their dummies when they are no longer 1337 due to the slightest change.

Sorry to be harsh about this, but it really is how I feel. If those people that are "legendary" players want to leave, then they can leave - other people will take their place.

Where the legendary players quit, the new ones will take their place. Im not one bit worried, I think we will all adapt to it.

This opens up many doors for new and fresh builds.

yeah but why not add an 8 vs 8 arena? Its not repetitive with gvg, its just a slugfest .

I like the 6v6 change myself.

switch. shift. move. adapt. improve. extend. upgrade.

Well I think people's main complaint are the 6 vs 6 has EXACTLY the same strategies as 4 vs 4, only allowing for more variation. 8 vs 8 is entirely different. You think someone will run orders? heal party? dark fury? spirits? etc in a 6 person party? no. And they wont use them in gvg very often cause it doesnt allow for much flexibility. A huge part of gw pvp died. Like I say, I prefer 6 vs 6. But I think 8 vs 8 should be an arena, not hall of heroes.

Make it so that it changes every week, 1 week 6vs6, 1 week 8vs8. Also make the changes on Friday for teh big rush, I'm sure many player will be saying something like this "woot 8vs8 this weekend, cant wait till friday". Same thing the otherway around. A nice compromise, everyone is happy!

That would probably kill 4 vs. 4 though...

I dont think so. 6 vs 6 HoH didnt kill TA, and its the same thing pretty much only you can get a chest/favor.

How about make random arena 8v8? That would be exciting

hehe. That would be absurd. Not saying I don't like it lol.

Um... actually, yes. I've seen all of those.

In an 8-man party, usually no more than 4 characters actually benefit from orders. Same applies to Dark fury, so people still run those.

Heal Party is one ofl the most efficient heas in the game, even in 6v6.

NR/Tranq screws up an 6-man party just as well as 8. Party size doesn't affect how Frozen, EW, QZ or whatever else is used in any way. The only spirits that are gone are Rit Lord spammers because they were nerfed significantly and no team has room for a ritualist anymore.


But that's all off-topic. Bring back 8v8... just go read the HA forum, FFS. Everyone there is complaining about it and less and less people like the new HA meta.

what new HA meta? at any time of any day you can observe heroway.. the new meta is npcs...

alleji, yes but those teams suck. One person less being affected by it makes a big difference. This is why iway is dead e.g., having order spams for 2 warriors is stupid.

It doesn't matter to me if its 8v8 or 6v6,
oh and one of my friends a spearman, they still do HA, they just were busy

Yes I was in an alliance with spearmen till we left, but yes, Spearmen still HA, they won last night.

they should have left HA as it was and make a new type of tournament (maby that also brings fame?) that is 6v6

yes its easier now, doesnt take as long to organise a guild group (which takes long in a mostly PvE guild) but 8v8 was challenging and required more coordination

mhmm My friend was in it last night when they won.

ah okay. Still a lot of people don't like it As I'm saying myself tho, I prefer 6 vs 6 HA. It just wouldn't take much work to have like an "old school" HA to appease the millions is all

There will always been someone to take your place. Along with anyone else's.

What's $100,000, when Anet will get hundred times that from millions who will join now when HA is so much more enjoyable and accessable? Now people dont have to spend 24 hours in HA every day to get somewhere... They can work, go out with their wife/gf, and take care of their kids, and still have time to PvP in HA.

If all those people who quit cant control themselves, and their emotions to such extent that they have to quit, they shouldnt be playing games in the 1st place. Mabe they should go outside and get some air.

And please... Dont say MOST players prefer 8 vs 8!!! SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.
Who is most? You? Ten thousand more like you? What about millions who think different? You are overuled. Case closed.

Many=/=Most. It could be as little as 10% if theres a million players.

6 vs 6 doesn't work and can't last. I suggest putting it back to 8 vs 8 but making all-new maps and extra gametypes and getting rid of the incredibly silly gameplan of interrupting a ghost for 3 minutes d: I don't like 6 vs 6 but I wouldn't like regular old 8 vs 8 back. A happy medium?

Ok.. Lets observe.

Before, there were around 5 ID's and ID1 was flat full.

Now, there are 2 ID's with 5 people in ID2 and in ID1 around 100 people.


Seems OBVIOUS.

^^ Thanks for the proof. I'd have to ask what time you took that data tho, if 1one was at 8 p.m. and the other was at 7 a.m. thats normal

Normal times, allthroughout the day. Even at 10PM GMT+1 there is 2 ID's check it out yourselves!

those data=6pm to 10pm pacific time aka prime time, i can confirm, note it was before the release of nightfall and heroes

not anymore :-/

Go take a look at the ha forum, people who love ha HATE this change. New players never played HA initially liked it. Then they found out that still no one takes them and they still get their ass kicked/yelled at. They quit, result=less people playing ha.

And now it's chaos with all the heroes/henchs

yes coz vimway, iway, blood spike, ranger spike fill those districts.

What an arguement. The change is bad for the guys who have always played HA,but good for the new guys who want to play HA...but bad because the people who have always played HA don't want the new guys to play with them,or treat them bad for not knowing all the ins and outs of HA.

Seems like the same crap from the 8 vs 8 times to me in that sense.

The elitists ruled HA for a good stretch, their time to change has come,and they will fight it tooth and nail until the bitter end.

The Eles had to adapt to change. The Necros now have to adapt to change,too. So, finally, the elitists of HA must adapt as well.

However, each of these groups whined and groaned about the forced change.

I have been in HA a few times, so it's not my place to claim to know all about HA, but I am very used to changing enviornments and situations.

The questions is why is the change bad? Is it because the old stuff doesn't work the same?

Is it because the new stuff feels funny? Is it because adapting is a bit too hard?

Maybe the IWAY build isn't the only nearly useless build in a 6 vs 6 scenario.
Maybe you guys who think you are the "Leet of the Leet" aren't so elite as you would like us to think.

If you guys want to play 8 vs 8, then go to your respective halls and get it popping for you guild. That's what most of you guys do anyway in HA,right? HA with your guildies? I thought that's what you guys wanted to do. Not pick up some lame group that you don't know and play.

This isn't PvE afterall,is it? Where the skilless can win, as most PvP elitists think. 6 vs 6 makes you play the metagame different? Then play different and show us how "leet" you guys are.

I would love to have a 1 on 1 arena, now that will show true skill. How many of you "leet" players could take a guy in a 1 on 1 scenario?

That would make a guy "Famous" for sure. How fast could you cut through a guy's build. Would it be fair to all to have that kind of arena?

Is it fair to treat the new guy like he/she has a disease called "Not Leet Syndrome"? Is it fair to say change it back, when you guys aren't the only ones it has an effect on?

I say play the game and stop dwelling on the past. You and I know that HA is changed forever. Making a new arena for the nastalgic "leets" so they can play 8 vs 8 isn't what you guys want, and a new 6 vs 6 arena that keeps the non"leets" out of HA isn't what ANet wants,obviously.

This is the next step in combining the 2 communties, and as usual, the elitists scream blue bloody murder.

You guys think its bad to play 6 vs 6? 8 vs 8 is so different,you say? Then how about making a valid point as to what makes 8 vs 8 better than the new 6 vs 6?

Not liking it because you don't like it isn't a good enough answer IMHO.

I would like it to switch back to 8 v 8 but I dont think it will happen any time soon, because such a blunder would make Aretardnet look stupid. (sure everyone already knows they're stupid but meh let them think what they want)

With the recent HA changes, it has become a ridiculous retarded interrupt-fest where half of the people on a team are dedicated to interrupts (2 rangers + 1 PD mes whatever) HA needs to get rid of this. I guess most people want 8 v 8 back because its always been like that and more room. 6 v 6 hasnt improved HA in any way unless you count faster matches and faster group formation.

It's not about what my point of view is, it is about the peoples interest, if i see only a couple districts and there used to be a whole lot more, then SOMETHING is wrong, you cannot deny that.

@ tomcruisejr: Atleast it has more variety, now it is: oh that team could be either one of the three. Henchway, Mel/Apply or Dual-Smite..

Damn I nearly forgot Dual-Smite there

lol @ above bringing 1 vs 1 into anything