A guildy and I just made it to Chantry of Secrets yesterday, and realizing that it was the portal to the UW and FOW, we decided to try it out just for grins. Even though Gaile said you can only take heroes places your hench can go, as you can see we made it into UW just fine.
We were busy doing Nightfall primary quests, trying to level heroes as we advanced the storyline. This is why my heroes are very low level. And the builds are certainly not optimized for UW. However as it was, we were able to complete the first quest before the DP was too much. And the ecto drop I got more than paid for the trip.
I'm not sure if this works anywhere else than Chantry of Secrets, and didn't have time to try it out last night but I will as soon as I can.
Gaile, if you're watching, I hope this is not a bug and will stay. I hate looking for PUGs for UW and FOW, and if we can bring heroes and a few trusted friends along, then this will make those areas more accessible to players like me in smaller guilds.
Heroes in UW? YES!!
O-Dawg
jimmyboveto
Cool, i hope that it wasn't just a mistake on ANET's part. I went on a fissure run last night with some other guys, and they brought there heroes along along with them
We had a blast, and did pretty well too.
We had a blast, and did pretty well too.
moko
i feel for your heroes with those bars..especially poor Dunkoro..>_>
ANYWAYS
interesting news..i think :/ this should stay i guess, ill be doing UW some more with friends and 6 heroes now i believe.
ANYWAYS
interesting news..i think :/ this should stay i guess, ill be doing UW some more with friends and 6 heroes now i believe.
Stemnin
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Originally Posted by Mokone
i feel for your heroes with those bars..especially poor Dunkoro..>_>
ANYWAYS
interesting news..i think :/ this should stay i guess, ill be doing UW some more with friends and 6 heroes now i believe.
Thinking the same thing..
I'll be going to UW or FoW tonight lol, make all my heroes trappers or something, just for kicks.
ANYWAYS
interesting news..i think :/ this should stay i guess, ill be doing UW some more with friends and 6 heroes now i believe.
Thinking the same thing..
I'll be going to UW or FoW tonight lol, make all my heroes trappers or something, just for kicks.
infinity paradox
Yes! Now i can go trapping and don't need to LFG!
mrcake
Awesome can clear all the aataxes with me and 3 heroes.. no ecto though 
Daniel__
lol wonder if heroes SS spreads them out,
edit:lol level 16 with divine boon and no e management :P
edit:lol level 16 with divine boon and no e management :P
gabrial heart
You can take heros anywhere, including TOA's UW/FOW entrance or Cantha's elite missions.
LifeInfusion
Niceness, they can now replace PUGs.
O-Dawg
LOL yeah, I DID say the builds weren't optimized :-)
But we did ok in spite of it. With a proper setup they'd wreck the UW.
BTW that Monk build is typically what I use in PVE...it does well as long as you don't spam the heals and choose your targets well. I used to have MoR but decided WoH was better if you choose carefully. Cancel the DB when you're having energy problems. That build got me two protector titles (mostly with hench), Sorrow's Furnace, Titan quests, etc. It's not the best build out there but it works for me and I can play it well.
But we did ok in spite of it. With a proper setup they'd wreck the UW.
BTW that Monk build is typically what I use in PVE...it does well as long as you don't spam the heals and choose your targets well. I used to have MoR but decided WoH was better if you choose carefully. Cancel the DB when you're having energy problems. That build got me two protector titles (mostly with hench), Sorrow's Furnace, Titan quests, etc. It's not the best build out there but it works for me and I can play it well.
RTSFirebat
Don't heros take their fair share of drops... that including ectos!
So maybe farming with hero's isn't that great.
So maybe farming with hero's isn't that great.
gabrial heart
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Don't heros take their fair share of drops... that including ectos!
So maybe farming with hero's isn't that great. Yup, they sure do.
So maybe farming with hero's isn't that great. Yup, they sure do.
moko
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Don't heros take their fair share of drops... that including ectos!
So maybe farming with hero's isn't that great. but the point is, you would share drops with humans as well, just that
1) humans mostly suck
2) theres the chance they just run off (for whatever reasons)
3) nobody likes to play with others anymore, its all about heroes and hench now
>_> PLUS ITS FUN!
So maybe farming with hero's isn't that great. but the point is, you would share drops with humans as well, just that
1) humans mostly suck
2) theres the chance they just run off (for whatever reasons)
3) nobody likes to play with others anymore, its all about heroes and hench now
>_> PLUS ITS FUN!
Jelloblimp
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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat
Don't heros take their fair share of drops... that including ectos!
So maybe farming with hero's isn't that great. Yes they get a share just like heanchmen. Still you dont get to see what heros get & you dont get any whines as in "omGZ cn I hav that plzzzzz!!11" or someone rushing around starting all quests. Also you can make sure they bring skills that work togheter with the team.
(Not that everyone in a pug is awful, just most are some days it seems).
So maybe farming with hero's isn't that great. Yes they get a share just like heanchmen. Still you dont get to see what heros get & you dont get any whines as in "omGZ cn I hav that plzzzzz!!11" or someone rushing around starting all quests. Also you can make sure they bring skills that work togheter with the team.
(Not that everyone in a pug is awful, just most are some days it seems).
ktadie
why do u guys always have ur hero's bars out? is it because u tell them what to do? isnt that hard during combat?..
gabrial heart
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why do u guys always have ur hero's bars out? is it because u tell them what to do? isnt that hard during combat?..
I have mine out for that and sometimes i just like to know the energy status of the monk or other casters. This way if we are gettin pwned and the hero monk and i have no e, it's time to retreat
beanerman_99
I like this idea. When I get my hero's leveled up I can hopefully take them into FoW and UW and finally be able to explore the entire area. Yes, I am one of the few people who have rarely been in either place. The farthest I have been in FoW has been with a group to the armor guy. The UW, well, I have only been in there a hand full of times and only seen the area around the entrance. So hopefully there will be some guides soon on how to use heroes to explore these areas as a ele
byteme!
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isnt that hard during combat?..
Answer is NO. Maybe hard for you but not for everyone. 2man UW is still doable and now you can do it without humans. Just need the right build and know how to control your hero during combat.
gabrial heart
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Originally Posted by byteme!
Answer is NO. Maybe hard for you but not for everyone. 2man UW is still doable and now you can do it without humans. Just need the right build and know how to control your hero during combat.
Yeah i did the 2 man UW build last night with a hero, work just fine. But it's really a lot funner with guildies.
beanerman_99
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Originally Posted by byteme!
Answer is NO. Maybe hard for you but not for everyone. 2man UW is still doable and now you can do it without humans. Just need the right build and know how to control your hero during combat.
Have you tried this yet and can you share your build and hero's build and how you controlled him? Can you 2man as and ele and someting else?
Can you 2man as and ele and someting else?
gabrial heart
Yup you can do an air ele, with koss as the aggro tank using Physical resistance. Takes awhile though. Just flag him to aggro and nuke away, blinding flash and the one that causes weakness in the ele build + ess bond and rebirth.
beanerman_99
when you say "takes a while" does that mean hours just to move a little bit? LOL. Maybe it would be better to take 3 heros plus me Still I hope to try when I get my heroes trained up since I have never fully explored FoW or UW and I do likes me exploring.
gabrial heart
Well it takes about (rough est) about 20 minutes to clear out the first room. I wouldn't try it with multiple hench though. There are other builds that work better, like necro builds (based around spoil victor) and insidious that are a lot faster. Flagging one hench is easy enough, but multiple hench gets much harder.
Former Ruling
55 with AV/SV LF Magrid the Sly Famine for 50/50 UW Run
clawofcrimson
^ you said koss uses physical resistance??
I thought they could only use primary skills... doylack is a good replacement though..
I thought they could only use primary skills... doylack is a good replacement though..
gabrial heart
No, you can change thier seconds to whatever you want as long as you have the profession unlocked on your account. I take doylak too for use on the coldfires instead of PR.
Pkest
This makes me extremely happy. I have 11 chars and have never been into either fow or the underworld due in part to reading all the horror stories about scams and the popularity of 2-man farming with rubber-stamped builds etc. I'm not really interested in farming these areas but I'd love to explore/quest in them. I'm so hoping this isn't a bug that gets fixed before I get a chance to go there.
jon0592
Wait, what? Doesn't it not matter if heroes get drops? They're yours and you can just take the item off their invent and into yours?
From someone who doesn't even have nightfall *yet*
From someone who doesn't even have nightfall *yet*
RTSFirebat
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Wait, what? Doesn't it not matter if heroes get drops? They're yours and you can just take the item off their invent and into yours?
From someone who doesn't even have nightfall *yet* Heros share you inventory, but thats only because it allows you to edit their armor runes and weapons.
They don't share your inventory for items, meaning like normal henchmen they take their fair share of drops which you will never see.
From someone who doesn't even have nightfall *yet* Heros share you inventory, but thats only because it allows you to edit their armor runes and weapons.
They don't share your inventory for items, meaning like normal henchmen they take their fair share of drops which you will never see.
gabrial heart
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Originally Posted by Pkest
This makes me extremely happy. I have 11 chars and have never been into either fow or the underworld due in part to reading all the horror stories about scams and the popularity of 2-man farming with rubber-stamped builds etc. I'm not really interested in farming these areas but I'd love to explore/quest in them. I'm so hoping this isn't a bug that gets fixed before I get a chance to go there.
You still can't really "explore" UW with just hench or heros. FOW might even be a bit much to fully explore with just hench/heros. This 2 man build with koss as the tank is basically for clearing out the smites, but the driders, mesmers, golems, etc. are an entirely different story. Yes, it's not a bug, they have said numerous times that you can take the heros anywhere, including ha.
beanerman_99
How do I get lvl 20 henchs into these places? I have only ever enterd thru ToA and the henchs there are much too low of a level. TY in advance.
edit. also can you survive with henchs/heroes in the Tomb of Kings and the Factions elite areas as well?
edit. also can you survive with henchs/heroes in the Tomb of Kings and the Factions elite areas as well?
gabrial heart
I'm pretty sure cantha has level 20 hench, never tried to take them in though. Tombs you could always take hench, although like the elite missions, i'm not sure why anyone would want to. Why lose the guaranteed drops to the heros/hench. Urgoz you might be able to do 3 man +heros, but the deep you wont be able to as easy since you need to split into 4 (so you's need 4 people +heros) groups just to get in. Again though, i'd rather see the drops goto people then hench.