Bargining Rant

Im getting fed up trading with people.... when i'm selling something, i dont spam WTS WTS WTS...i hate it, it clogs up the chat box....usually i wait till someone wants it...or if i do advertise it i dont spam it out...anyway...if i do get someone..and they say..how much i say my price, and they either say no, say show me then say no, or dont reply...

What i want is some bargining...i mean common! am i going to say my rock bottom price that i'm willing to let it go at? No!! it much prefer to say... 20k..then they say how about 15k...then i say..17k...and then they say deal..or something along these lines...anything but...no...lol...it would be much better to trade and barter!

I know how you feel, Tutis.
If people don't like your prices, they'll no doubt brand you a rip-off merchant. They never assume that you just don't know its real value.

What particularly annoys me is when they add "lol" in their abuse. This isn't funny. If you know a better price then SAY IT! =\

[EDIT] Only one time has anyone bothered to say something reasonable: "8k on Guru m8"

People don't say anything are ones
1) Looking for a way lower price
2) Just asking to find what general prices it's being sold at

But I also hate ppl who says lol, or they complain about the price when it's probably something they shouldn't buy in the first place.

Usually i baragin, it almost always goes like this:

Them: WTS----
Me: Ill give you 20k
Them: 25k
Me: cmon, 20k is a good deal, it's hard to sell
Them: 25k
Me: 22.5k is my final offer
Them: 25k
Me: 22.5k
Them: Ok

It doesnt bother me as I find it amusing. I love it when noobs lowball or say your prices are wrong. Makes trading so much more fun and interesting. Stuff like, "thats not worth 150k its worth 20k".

In my experiences, the majority of people who absolutely refuse to haggle on a price are the wannabe power sellers who are looking for an ignorant fool to rip off.
When you quote them a price that's 500% above what they want to pay, they just consider it as a lost cause.

EDIT: Spelling

Meh. This game needs a much more organized form of trade :-(

My funny experiece...

WTB Elswyth Long Bow
Him: 8k
Me: 4k
Him: 6k
Me: ok
Him: 8k
Me: 6k...
Him: 8k, or no deal
Me: ok fine, 8k
Him: 10k
Me: ignored

How about allowing trade only in major outposts like Lions Arch, Ascalon City, Amnoon Oasis, etc? Or disallowing it completely in more storybased outposts?

You realise the only reason their Major Outposts is because they have people wanting to sell stuff there right?

You have to know your value of your item. I advertise the item at average value/price, then I wait for an offer that's a little lower and take it.

They: saved some money
I: saved lots of time and sold the item

Greed is bad when you're the seller, I've learned. Greed is retarded when you're the buyer.

Bargaining is a lost skill that very few people use still. It's a rare pleasure to do business with those who do no how to haggle.

Yeah I know, I'm saying go ahead and allow them there. Besides, I was more considering them major outposts because they have all the services like the dye trader, material traders, armor and weapon crafters, etc.

BRIAN: How much? Quick.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: What?
BRIAN: It's for the wife.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Oh. Uhhh, twenty shekels.
BRIAN: Right.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: What?
BRIAN: There you are.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Wait a minute.
BRIAN: What?
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Well, we're-- we're supposed to haggle.
BRIAN: No, no. I've got to get--
HARRY THE HAGGLER: What do you mean, 'no, no, no'?
BRIAN: I haven't time. I've got--
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Well, give it back, then.
BRIAN: No, no, no. I just paid you.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Burt!
BURT: Yeah?
HARRY THE HAGGLER: This bloke won't haggle.
BURT: Won't haggle?!
BRIAN: All right. Do we have to?
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Now, look. I want twenty for that.
BRIAN: I-- I just gave you twenty.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Now, are you telling me that's not worth twenty shekels?
BRIAN: No.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Look at it. Feel the quality. That's none of your goat.
BRIAN: All right. I'll give you nineteen then.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: No, no, no. Come on. Do it properly.
BRIAN: What?
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Haggle properly. This isn't worth nineteen.
BRIAN: Well, you just said it was worth twenty.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Ohh, dear. Ohh, dear. Come on. Haggle.
BRIAN: Huh. All right. I'll give you ten.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: That's more like it. Ten?! Are you trying to insult me?! Me, with a poor dying grandmother?! Ten?!
BRIAN: All right. I'll give you eleven.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Now you're gettin' it. Eleven?! Did I hear you right?! Eleven?! This cost me twelve. You want to ruin me?!
BRIAN: Seventeen?
HARRY THE HAGGLER: No, no, no, no. Seventeen.
BRIAN: Eighteen?
HARRY THE HAGGLER: No, no. You go to fourteen now.
BRIAN: All right. I'll give you fourteen.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Fourteen?! Are you joking?!
BRIAN: That's what you told me to say.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Ohh, dear.
BRIAN: Ohh, tell me what to say. Please!
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Offer me fourteen.
BRIAN: I'll give you fourteen.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: He's offering me fourteen for this!
BRIAN: Fifteen!
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Seventeen. My last word. I won't take a penny less, or strike me dead.
BRIAN: Sixteen.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Done. Nice to do business with you.
BRIAN: Huh.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Tell you what. I'll throw you in this as well.
BRIAN: I don't want it, but thanks.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Burt!
BURT: Yeah?
BRIAN: All right! All right! All right!
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Now, where's the sixteen you owe me?
BRIAN: I just gave you twenty.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Oh, yeah. That's right. That's four I owe you, then.
BRIAN: Well, that's all right. That's fine. That's fine.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: No. Hang on. I've got it here somewhere.
BRIAN: That's all right. That's four for the gourd.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Four? For this gourd? Four?! Look at it. It's worth ten if it's worth a shekel.
BRIAN: But you just gave it to me for nothing.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: Yes, but it's worth ten!
BRIAN: All right. All right.
HARRY THE HAGGLER: No, no, no, no. It's not worth ten. You're supposed to argue, 'Ten for that? You must be mad!' Ohh, well. [sniff] One born every minute.

I've had plenty of

Me: WTS [Item], Offer!
Him: "50k"
Me: "Ok, where are you?"
Him: "Opps, I meant to say 30k, that item sucks"

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Me: WTS [Item] 10k
Him: "8k"
Me: "Hmm...Ok"
Him "6k"

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Him: WTS [Item] Offer!
Me: "40k"
Him: "STFU Noob, this is a 50k item firm price"
Me: "You said Offer..."

I absolutely cannot stand it when someone pms me and asks for a price and when I tell him he replies "lol". Its up to the player to decide the price of an item. I can choose my price because it is my item.

I merch everything I can't use. I just can't be bothered to sell, because it is annoying as hell.

Quite enjoyed it ^^ This makes trading fun

i am loling very hard right now

theres also the:
Seller: WTS--- 50k
Buyer: ill give u 20k
Seller: sorry
Buyer: not worth 50k u nub
Seller:
Buyer: lol, ur prices are nub
Seller:
Buyer: ok, ill take it for 50k

The only thing that annoys me more than a person that just doesn't want to haggle is the person who says "okay" for whatever price, and then offers me x amount of gold instead of x amount of plat then get pissed and call me a noob when I close trade and say, "sorry, not that stupid."

Monty Python FTW!!!!
Yeah people who jack up their asking price when you have already agreed really piss me off.

Haggling works both ways you know.. if the person starts a basing price and wants to drive it higher it's up to him, no need to scream nuuuuubbbbb or anything so benign :/. Although i personaly wouldn't buy any higher if your a good haggeler you can get those prices down with sweet talk and so on so forth.

I just usually set a firm price for whatever items I am selling. Usually ignore the "noobs" comment and sell whatever. Unless someone has a comparable trade, (or what I consider comparable) I just wait for my price. If I dont hit one day, I will get it on another. But there are just days I want to get rid of stuff and I rock bottom the price no matter what is sells for.

I'ven given up on trying to haggle when I want to buy something. A lot of the people I've come across won't haggle. They tell me the price, I make and lower offer, they don't respond. How nice; not.

There have been times where I have tried to purchse a 'set' of items from a person; agreed on a price and then they try to sell me part of the set, not the whole thing that was agreed on. My latest example, I purchased a perfect enchant wrap and perfect insightful staff head. Seller started out at 25k, bargained her down to 15k for BOTH items. (and I did specify 15k for the two) she agrees, tries selling me just the wrap. :/

More often than not I wait for someone to announcing selling 'x' for such and such price, and if its what i want and can afford i just buy it outright. I don't waste as much time anymore.

Some of you that sell items do overprice things thinking you can get away with it, for instance when GW had the green drop weekend people where selling the Ghial's Staff for 15k-20k no big deal was a good price then there comes that one get rich fast person that thinks there going to sell it for 50k those are the people that make me laugh. I wont even respond to them because I think there foolish. Why overprice a item that is selling less by 4-5 other people in the same area

Sometimes there are people that tell you to send then a tell with a offer you give it to them and they never respond to state it is to low or they have a higher bidder, most of the time I myself dont know a resonable price for some green items so how can I offer you a price that you feel in your mind is reasonable and I think is way to much, I will mainly say ty and move on.

You'd be surprised how many people pay more attention to the higher priced of the same thing. All of the "^^^ !!! ~~~~ $$$$" flahyness adds to their odds too alot of times.

I admit, I lol and ROFL @ people sometimes...but it's only when I see like a Victo's first instance being sold for 100k..... I can' help but laugh at it... everythign else is fair game though...

The thig that bugs me when selling/buying are those people who think they have the most 1337 thing in the world or are trying to buy the most 1337 in the world and they think they can sell a chitten fragment for 20k... or buy a Crystalline for 20k......

I've been on both sides and it can be annoying.
Very annoying when somebody lols and calls me a noob for wanting 800g-1k for a bleached shell instead of the 50g they are offering (since that obviously makes them the noob).
On the other hand, very annoying when I try to buy something off somebody and they don't even understand the concept of haggling.

Another funny experience

I was selling an Urgoz Shortbow, and someone offers me 50k for it.

I'm thinking, wow, i was only going to sell for 20k

So we trade, and after like 10 minutes, I see him trying to sell the same Urgoz Short I sold him for 50k.

I asked him, "Why are you reselling?"
He responds that he did not like the skin very much. Being the nice guy that I am, I offered him a refund and told him the real price of it.

He greatly thanked me and we went our seperate ways.

I vowed to never rip off the misinformed =(

Hmm the only thing i hate about people selling items is that they take advantage of new players or people who have no idea what it's worth.

The other day someone was selling a Max Dmg Scythe 14^50 (for 47k)and you can clearly tell it was a collector's item with the added inscription..... and when i told people not to buy it as it's a collector's item he started insulting me with "noob" or "LOL NUB YOU SUCK"

And TC i agree with you completely i' am the kind of person who likes to give people good deals my prices are never final.

But all i get is "Nub it's not worth *insert price here*" or no reply at all.....

I don't mind when people reply politely and say "sorry,no thanks"

Indeed, this is why haggling is dead. There are people like this on both sides who are rude. This is a game. You're supposed to have fun. Most trade attempts I've seen are not fun.

And frankly, I've always found it a bit frustrating that Anet does things to try to force participation in the economy (only 35g from the merchant for a perfect sundering +30 health green item, etc), and they've yet to impliment a better system for trade than the unending stream of WTS text. This game is in dire need of an auction system.

Ugghh.... I always thought perfect 20% enchant wraps went for 7k ish and Insightful Head like 3-5k ... either i've been giving people really good deals, or im playing a different server... i could have made loads

When I am selling I usually just list a price (Guru's usually), add "obo" (or best offer) to the end and wait. I give a base line price and I let potential buyers know I am willing to go lower with obo. Depending on my mood and the item I am selling, I'll go 20-30% off.

I think this is the best way to do it. Some people say "WTS [item] - 50k", which may or may not mean you are willing to haggle. Some people add "50k firm", which is fine as it lets people know your intentions. Adding obo clears things up. I hate when people say "Wts Item - pm offer!". Half the time people do it because they don't know the value of the item. They really should ask for a price check first. The other half are people that think their item is worth more than it really is and those are the types that say "lol" ,"noob", etc. when you do make a reasonable offer.

When buying, I generally just put "WTB [Item]". Should be on the seller to initiate the pricing I think.

I have been offered +5 enegy heads on numerous occassions for 1k each and enchant wraps for 3k. Those were cheap prices though. The prices you have sold for are reasonable.

Why does it clutter up the chat box if you post in the trade channel?

It's all part of the game. Same thing in real life, I'm sorry but I don't see anything to complain about here, unless you're complaining about real life too.

havnt you seen kaineng lately...sellers are NOT using trade channels....

damn i hear you! I scorn the typical trading in this game, I even went into pre sear once just to dye trade (at fair prices too, and it was the most fun trading i've ever had, leaving presear after a few days with enough for 15k armour and having ripped nobody off, hell yeah!!) and make use of my skill as a trader not as a spam bot, cos frankly the economy is a big laugh. People don't seem to take to regular bartering, they generally try and insult or lie, and normally they just say 'offer', so you offer then they go NO! OMG! NOOB! and tell you a guru price (which may not even be real), which lets be honest, is a guildine not a rule, which they won't budge from, i hate to see guru abused like that. they only ever say "offer" to see if you'll rip yourself off. they think it's clever trading method, no, it's idiotic. People fail to recognise that spending Hours selling an item for 10k more is a good way to LOSE money. I dunno, trading is interacting with other people so i tend to be talkative, polite, helpful...but so often people just want to get a rip-off bargain. I see spam in droks, "selling bleh 100k+xx ecto"....it's so hideously crude, are these people or bots? I type "selling a 30hp sword pommel" same person will PM saying "2k?". RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off and die. they probably ripped someone off now they are aiming for top dollar, real clever. shame they sound like a little kid. shame they'll be spamming for the next 5 days getting laughed at by people who know the score.


'bot' farmers will barter to good prices, and they usually have what you need, i'll give 'em that. To hell with 'real players' and their ill mannered attitudes. also, Respect to players who actually talk to me like i'm a real person not someone to be ripped off or interrogated like a machine, or traded like an NPC; no thanks, or hello, or goodbye, or anything.


Seriously, who else thinks there's more to trading than simply making virtual money?


/angryrage

i hate haggling, especially when i'm selling. the price is the price. i price my stuff fairly, on the low end, even, and people try to drag me down from there. if you want to haggle, go find somebody else.

stupid haggling.

eudas