Hero's & Gold Sharing
The Celt
We all know why gold was shared within a party when we used henchmen, but why should gold be shared when you use our hero's? If we have to kit the heros with decent weapons and runes shouldnt the gold be given as a whole to 'you' to spend on every member of your party. It can be hard enough to get all the gold needed to kit 1 character out nevermind all your heros as well. Whats everyone elses thoughts on this? Should it stay as it is or should we get all the money in a hero team??
Azrael1309
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Originally Posted by The Celt
We all know why gold was shared within a party when we used henchmen, but why should gold be shared when you use our hero's? If we have to kit the heros with decent weapons and runes shouldnt the gold be given as a whole to 'you' to spend on every member of your party. It can be hard enough to get all the gold needed to kit 1 character out nevermind all your heros as well. Whats everyone elses thoughts on this? Should it stay as it is or should we get all the money in a hero team??
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lilnate22
perhaps you get 3/4 of gold? insted of 1/x w/ heroes
so sya you are in a party of 10 ppl to make it ez. 4 of them+you are heroes (though u can only have 3) the rest are henchies+other ppl. if a 100g drops, regulaly you would get 100/10 wich is 10g. why not instead make it 50/4 for just your part of the party while the rest of the group(the remaining 5 ppl) get 100/10
so sya you are in a party of 10 ppl to make it ez. 4 of them+you are heroes (though u can only have 3) the rest are henchies+other ppl. if a 100g drops, regulaly you would get 100/10 wich is 10g. why not instead make it 50/4 for just your part of the party while the rest of the group(the remaining 5 ppl) get 100/10
Kha
It doesn't make any more sense to let Heroes get gold for you and not henchmen. Sure you have to actually get weapons for your heroes, but the ability to customize them with both weapons and skills is what makes them more valuable than henchmen. Plus you want them to also be able to give their gold to you? If anything, henchmen should be the ones getting the gold to compensate for their poorer quality.
Though I don't think either should have their gold be given to you. It's fine the way it is.
Though I don't think either should have their gold be given to you. It's fine the way it is.
BahamutKaiser
I would have to say this is a great idea. Easier farming?, that's good. We do have to come up with weapons, runes and inscriptions for these heros, they are technically working with us not for us, increasing the gold return is a very minor improvement. Now if you include drop ratio, it does make farming particularly easier, but that is a good thing, farming should not be a passtime, playing the game should.
"Players should spend less time preparing to play the game, and more time actually playing it", right out of Anets mouth. So perhaps they should start doing more to live up to that claim, because there are still some significant Grind issues.
"Players should spend less time preparing to play the game, and more time actually playing it", right out of Anets mouth. So perhaps they should start doing more to live up to that claim, because there are still some significant Grind issues.
VitisVinifera
he can keep the gold, I want the rare and unique drops!
Angel Netherborn
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he can keep the gold, I want the rare and unique drops!
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Don't steal my greens!Also, if you think about it, you're not *forced* to deck out your hero in the best possible equipment ya know... there's nothing wrong with them using their standard upgraded armor and using plain gold items.
Cr4zyPl4yr
Totally agree.
We have to shell out to kit them and to do that to the max is a pretty penny. While it stands of us having to pay to kit them it needs to be changed to where they do not divide the gold or hurt the drops.
If it changes to where we can kit the heroes via a NPC with no $$$ of our own. Example an NPC that sells runes, weapons etc for Heroes only with no cost to us, then it can stay as is.
On a side note. If the heroes stay to where we are having to kit them ourselves and out of our pockets the heroes we kit on one character of an account should be kitted for other characters on that same account. This way after you kit Koss so to speak with Runes like SUP vigor etc, you never have to do it again. A global hero pool so to speak for an account.
Now what I am not saying is these global heroes are auto unlocked for all characters on an account. You still have to get them with all characters on an account, but once you get a hero, if you have kitted them via another character on the account, then they are already kitted out.
We have to shell out to kit them and to do that to the max is a pretty penny. While it stands of us having to pay to kit them it needs to be changed to where they do not divide the gold or hurt the drops.
If it changes to where we can kit the heroes via a NPC with no $$$ of our own. Example an NPC that sells runes, weapons etc for Heroes only with no cost to us, then it can stay as is.
On a side note. If the heroes stay to where we are having to kit them ourselves and out of our pockets the heroes we kit on one character of an account should be kitted for other characters on that same account. This way after you kit Koss so to speak with Runes like SUP vigor etc, you never have to do it again. A global hero pool so to speak for an account.
Now what I am not saying is these global heroes are auto unlocked for all characters on an account. You still have to get them with all characters on an account, but once you get a hero, if you have kitted them via another character on the account, then they are already kitted out.
WasAGuest
We either need to be able to spend the heroes "stolen" cash on their own gear (a Hero cash pool) or they need to get their hands out of the cookie jar.
So far my heroes are using the junk I am finding on the ground. It's been good enough so far and I see no reason to equip the AI with real goodies.
It would be nicer to spend what the heroes are taking though. Maybe a "hero bank" that only a hero trader can take from?
IMO - in the past the henchie AI has been so weak and poor; it felt like I was baby sitting. I don't recall anyone in my youth paying the kids for being "baby sat"... therefore even the henchies owe me a fortune.
Currently, the AI is improved somewhat, but I still have to watch them and order them around. Now I have to hand over drops to the heroes to keep them on par with the mobs + watch them steal my drops and cash? I find that odd... if the heroes are "taking" the drops, then they should use the drops they are taking or leave them on the ground.
Easier farming? Who really cares? Economy isn't working anyway and wont till we get an auction house where people can gather and do real trade... only the people with maxed out bank accounts will say the economy is great.
Side Note: My bank is full, but I never trade with other players, and wont till it doesn't take an hour to buy/sell.
So far my heroes are using the junk I am finding on the ground. It's been good enough so far and I see no reason to equip the AI with real goodies.
It would be nicer to spend what the heroes are taking though. Maybe a "hero bank" that only a hero trader can take from?
IMO - in the past the henchie AI has been so weak and poor; it felt like I was baby sitting. I don't recall anyone in my youth paying the kids for being "baby sat"... therefore even the henchies owe me a fortune.
Currently, the AI is improved somewhat, but I still have to watch them and order them around. Now I have to hand over drops to the heroes to keep them on par with the mobs + watch them steal my drops and cash? I find that odd... if the heroes are "taking" the drops, then they should use the drops they are taking or leave them on the ground.
Easier farming? Who really cares? Economy isn't working anyway and wont till we get an auction house where people can gather and do real trade... only the people with maxed out bank accounts will say the economy is great.
Side Note: My bank is full, but I never trade with other players, and wont till it doesn't take an hour to buy/sell.
CtrlAltDel
why doesnt it work on basic math
party of 8, half of them are you or your heroes...you should get half the drops and half the gold.
this isnt rocket science, its just anet wanting you to play more so they arent going to give you anything faster...remember these guys helped build wow...
party of 8, half of them are you or your heroes...you should get half the drops and half the gold.
this isnt rocket science, its just anet wanting you to play more so they arent going to give you anything faster...remember these guys helped build wow...
DigitalForm
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Originally Posted by WasAGuest
We either need to be able to spend the heroes "stolen" cash on their own gear (a Hero cash pool) or they need to get their hands out of the cookie jar.
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Got my vote.
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I remember Anet saying somewhere that they don't mind farming, but yet they make it take a long time to get money and selling things to sell is hard because storage is limited and it takes time to sell to other players. Increase mission rewards for missions that aren't repeatable by a character and have a mechanic where we can earn money that doesn't take forever. I am stingy so my characters have to wait untill they make the money needed for their 1k per skill needed after changing secondaries.
HawkofStorms
Yes, because clearly a.net wants to make farming easier.
/endsarcasm
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WasAGuest
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Yes, because clearly a.net wants to make farming easier.
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It's not about making farming easier, it's about no reason the heroes are "stealing" drops and cash, then still having to hand over stuff to them. It's silly. If they are going to "steal" the drops and cash, they ought to use it. We assume the henchies are taking their share to make a living; they are hireling after all. The heroes, however, are not hirelings. They are there with you always* and are as much a team mate as "PuG Bob" is.
So if "PuG Bob" is getting his share of cash and drops and is using them, then so should the heroes.
*Always as in they are now a part of your character and have gear needs just like the player.
I'm not all for making the heroes not get the drops as that does give an advantage over players without NF; however, I am for the heroes taking the cash and drops and using them for themselves... as in a hero vault or some such thing. Would make more since then the gear and cash just vanishing into nothing just because they are there.
The Celt
The idea of a hero vault makes sense. That way it would curb farming with your hero's and you raking in all the cash/items.
Giving your hero's stuff you find is all well and good, but you want your hero's to be like any character that you would 'build' yourself.
My vote is definatly for a hero's vault. It makes sense!!
Giving your hero's stuff you find is all well and good, but you want your hero's to be like any character that you would 'build' yourself.
My vote is definatly for a hero's vault. It makes sense!!
MDeshame
Money Sink.
There has to be money sinks.
There has to be money sinks.
Not A Fifty Five
*shrug* dunno really. On the one hand, you got a point, someone starting in nightfall would have a hard time equipping himself and his heroes adequately. On the other hand people will just farm with 4 heroes in the end instead of party members. Maybe some variation of this idea?
meowmeow89
No, your still using them such as like henchies.
Dougal Kronik
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How do you know that Koss isn't going for the Drunkard title? Or Dunkoro isn't using his gold to buy ID and Salvage kits for his drops? Maybe Olias gives his gold to the Necromancers Elonian Restoration Fund (NERF).
They are Heroes and probably need the gold.
How do you know that Koss isn't going for the Drunkard title? Or Dunkoro isn't using his gold to buy ID and Salvage kits for his drops? Maybe Olias gives his gold to the Necromancers Elonian Restoration Fund (NERF).
They are Heroes and probably need the gold.
LifeInfusion
Ridiculous. Heroes are glorified henchman with controls, they still should take drops/gold.
The Celt
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Ridiculous. Heroes are glorified henchman with controls, they still should take drops/gold.
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Clawdius_Talonious
Money in Nightfall is so easy to obtain it's ridiculous, I've done three quests and from their rewards and the gold I picked up (or 1/7th of it at least) I've cleared 3k. Now there are quests that require you to spend money, so it may balance out in the end, however if I could get have an eight man hero team, and get 50% of the gold (splitting down the middle with another human player) why would ANYONE ever use henchies again?
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The Celt
I think the point has been missed here slighty. We are on about a pool for hero's only. We arent on about splitting money 50/50 or 20/80 etc . We are saying that if hero's can be kitted out with runes etc, why cant we use the money they collect to buy it rather than us forking out the money.
Kool Pajamas
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Money in Nightfall is so easy to obtain it's ridiculous, I've done three quests and from their rewards and the gold I picked up (or 1/7th of it at least) I've cleared 3k. Now there are quests that require you to spend money, so it may balance out in the end, however if I could get have an eight man hero team, and get 50% of the gold (splitting down the middle with another human player) why would ANYONE ever use henchies again?
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Angel Netherborn
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Originally Posted by WasAGuest
We assume the henchies are taking their share to make a living; they are hireling after all. The heroes, however, are not hirelings. They are there with you always* and are as much a team mate as "PuG Bob" is.
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Just because you think Koss should get himself some runes doesn't mean Koss wants those runes you know..
He'll be like, "You want me to get them? You buy them. Like hell I'm paying for it!"
DigitalForm
Yeah people are missing the point. Heroes would keep track of the money they get during battle. They YOU would go to a Hero Outfitter where you buy weapons/offhands/shields/runes for a particular Hero and it is customized to the Hero or can only be used for that Hero. The 'I' screen could show their current funds when you pick them.
I laughed at that. I would be like: "I take you with me and let you use my pimped out sword and you won't even pitch in for some gear? Next time I am going to go take a Henchie so you can stay home and be bored. Then I am going to take my party to the bars for their help KOSS."
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So if you can assume that henchies take the drops and gold for payment of their services, shouldn't heroes be considered the same? You don't actually pay them for their services you know. Henchies are hirelings, which makes them less personal. Heroes are followers, subordinates, and friends. Would you deprive your subordinates their share of the drops?
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WasAGuest
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Originally Posted by DigitalForm
I laughed at that. I would be like: "I take you with me and let you use my pimped out sword and you won't even pitch in for some gear? Next time I am going to go take a Henchie so you can stay home and be bored. Then I am going to take my party to the bars for their help KOSS."
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The diffence between henchie and hero is obvious. Henchies are hirelings. Heroes, like players, should share the wealth. Currently, heroes do not share it, they disolve it. It's gone. Forever, yet they still need improvements to gear and skills.
Heroes should have a "pool" where the cash is tracked and spend only on hero items and improvements. It's "theirs" after all.
All drops really should be handed over from the heroes as well, but that again creates an unfair situation for those not owning NF so really can't be done.
Kiros37100
I just see it as paying for the improved capabilities of heroes.
If you don't wanna pay for their stuff, use henchies instead.
If you don't wanna pay for their stuff, use henchies instead.
The Celt
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I just see it as paying for the improved capabilities of heroes.
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CtrlAltDel
We get Heroes, yippee.
Now we have to.
Buy/Find/Equip their weapons.
Buy/Grind for their armor.
Buy/Grind for their runes.
All with the same cashflow as before, and the same storage space.
Yep, that all makes total sense.
Now we have to.
Buy/Find/Equip their weapons.
Buy/Grind for their armor.
Buy/Grind for their runes.
All with the same cashflow as before, and the same storage space.
Yep, that all makes total sense.
Fairbo
Players getting the gold and drops that is the Hero's share ....... I don't think so. I'll tell you right now I would take complete advantage of this if they did that, as will 100% of all the farmers in the game. Lets see, farming my particular areas take anywhere from 10-20 minutes alone. If I add my Hero's in there to help me, my time would be cut in half or even more and I would get the same amount. That is unacceptable.
Now if they impliment a way that you as the player can't touch their items for personal use, I'd be all for that. Such as WasAGuest's post about the Hero Vault. It would be just like playing with another person and they get a drop you want (Victo's Bulwark). You can ask for it but they will probly say tough sh** it's mine or pay me 100k +ecto for it. Same goes with the Hero's. If they can get money and items as drops make those items customized to them. Make their money sharable across the Hero's for that character where they could buy their own runes, weapons, shields, focus's, etc...
Personally I don't care what they do. I horde just about every good weapon I come across so I can give almost all of my Hero's stuff they need. If I don't have an item that I want my hero's to have guess what, there's something called Collector's Weapons that are just as good as the 100K + ecto items out there. Only thing you are really paying for is the skin. You can come across mods and inscriptions throughout the game that you can salvage out and put on.
Now if they impliment a way that you as the player can't touch their items for personal use, I'd be all for that. Such as WasAGuest's post about the Hero Vault. It would be just like playing with another person and they get a drop you want (Victo's Bulwark). You can ask for it but they will probly say tough sh** it's mine or pay me 100k +ecto for it. Same goes with the Hero's. If they can get money and items as drops make those items customized to them. Make their money sharable across the Hero's for that character where they could buy their own runes, weapons, shields, focus's, etc...
Personally I don't care what they do. I horde just about every good weapon I come across so I can give almost all of my Hero's stuff they need. If I don't have an item that I want my hero's to have guess what, there's something called Collector's Weapons that are just as good as the 100K + ecto items out there. Only thing you are really paying for is the skin. You can come across mods and inscriptions throughout the game that you can salvage out and put on.
DeanBB
I skimmed thru but didn't read everything so appologize if this has been said:
It is your choice to deck out your heroes in the gear of your choosing, if it is costing you a ton of money then that is a choice you make. Max weapons are available for free from collectors. Upgrades drop and perhaps you get by with a +17% pruning hammer until a better pruning upgrade drops.
Like wise with runes, use what is available and if you want to increase them as they come available then do so.
If you want to lay out a buncha cash to max out your heroes then that is a choice. Like many things in this game Anet provides a means to get by quite well without grind and players can choose what they wish to grind for if at all. More often than not it is simple vanity that drives it. The collector bronze shield is the same as the Exalted Aegis but who wants the bronze shield? (my Koss would love it!)
I realize that right now with NF being new that runes are missing or expensive but that will change. Likewise the new greens / rare weapons are expensive but in time they will all drop in price or you can farm them yourself.
I don't think we should get any share of either henchie or hero gold or loot.
It is your choice to deck out your heroes in the gear of your choosing, if it is costing you a ton of money then that is a choice you make. Max weapons are available for free from collectors. Upgrades drop and perhaps you get by with a +17% pruning hammer until a better pruning upgrade drops.
Like wise with runes, use what is available and if you want to increase them as they come available then do so.
If you want to lay out a buncha cash to max out your heroes then that is a choice. Like many things in this game Anet provides a means to get by quite well without grind and players can choose what they wish to grind for if at all. More often than not it is simple vanity that drives it. The collector bronze shield is the same as the Exalted Aegis but who wants the bronze shield? (my Koss would love it!)
I realize that right now with NF being new that runes are missing or expensive but that will change. Likewise the new greens / rare weapons are expensive but in time they will all drop in price or you can farm them yourself.
I don't think we should get any share of either henchie or hero gold or loot.
Clawdius_Talonious
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We get Heroes, yippee.
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EternalTempest
I started with 10k and my ele, + new elona armor (still "blank") and buying all the new skills for my primary ele (with signets) (she has 100% Tyria/Cantha primary skill unlock) as they are offered (1k each). I've increase to about 12k now.
Keeping every max inscription/insignia that I come across.
Keeping every max inscription/insignia that I come across.
Anarkii
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You don't have to grind for their armor, just runes and insignias you want them to have.
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Then again, that doesnt fall into 'have to' category. Its a pure vanity choice :P
Clawdius_Talonious
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Well, if you want the elite armor, you have to repeatedly do the challenge missions, which may be termed as grinding. (I like the challenge missions though).
Then again, that doesnt fall into 'have to' category. Its a pure vanity choice :P |