I have to say this mission is extremely unbalanced. It's not impossible because obviously people have finished the game but my point is: The Undead Linch is easy enough but Shiro with his impossible odds just takes out an entire team. I know there is skills you can use that help some but it's the *imbalnce* that bugs me the most. On top of that that the blessings from the gods barely help if at all in the battle. So the statement of this petition is:
Please A.Net, take a hard look at this mission and see if some adjustments should be done. Thank you.
Petition: Fix The Gate of Madness Mission *Contains Spoilers*
natuxatu
Arkantos
It's the second last mission of the game, it's obviously gonna be hard. Get 2 tanks to hold aggro + anti melee necro, he'll go down fast.
Clawdius_Talonious
I didn't have any problem at all, I walked to the altars, killed their guards with the lich and Shiro beating on me, captured them all and then proceeded to turn around and tear the Lich and Shiro to shreds, in that order. (I was playing a Life Transfer necro as MM wasn't as useful in the Realm of Torment missions as blood)
Spader
I've played it a few times with henches and PuGs and Shiro uses that nasty stance of his every 8 seconds. This isn't a problem if he only did it to a melee class but he goes after monks and other casters with it. I just didn't have enough to heal that much damage from one target over so short of time. Otherwise the mission seems doable.
explodemyheart
I finished this last night with a group of 4 other real people. Or maybe 5, I don't remember exactly. The first time we tried it, we got to Shiro, got him to 1/3 health and then he demolished it. When we were finally able to do it, we were well prepared. We knew then what we needed to take in order to beat him. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. He does a lot of damage and does not take much. It's still quite possible.
Now that people have actually done it, they can tell others how to properly beat it, or at least prepare them for what needs to be done. I'm sure that the more people that do it, the more efficient it will yet become. I see no problem, really.
Now that people have actually done it, they can tell others how to properly beat it, or at least prepare them for what needs to be done. I'm sure that the more people that do it, the more efficient it will yet become. I see no problem, really.
WhiteZombie
wild blow ftw o.O
natuxatu
well i didn't get this far this fast just to wait for days on end untill people are nice enough to let me into their group. the guild wars community is lacking as it is. i simply feel they should take out impossible odds. I never said it was an impossible mission.
the necro 123134
/Signed,
I agree,I'm very stuck on this mission too.
I agree,I'm very stuck on this mission too.
AlterN8
I agree. I have been trying this mission with various groups for 2 days now and we get to Shiro and he spams Impossible Odds and wipes us out.
OK A.Net...it ain't fun anymore... I love Nightfall...but this mission is waaaay imbalanced in Shiro's favor.
OK A.Net...it ain't fun anymore... I love Nightfall...but this mission is waaaay imbalanced in Shiro's favor.
Winstar
its actually not bad if you just kill the lich, hex up/weaken shiro, cap some useful shrines and then turn around and bash his head in.
MaglorD
I don't agree with taking out Impossible Odds. I completed the mission without any help of the gods with my Dervish using heroes/henchies so it's very doable and nobody died. Just be glad Shiro doesn't have Meditation of the Reaper and doesn't Banish. He has already been toned down. Taking out Impossible Odds would make him too easy.
Pro-Monk
/unsigned/
I can't state strongly enough that Anet SHOULD NOT cater to those that just want to finish the game as quickly as possible. There has been far too much "dummying down" already imo. Too many players get games and want to finish them as quickly as possible (hench the godmode cheats for so many games) and then move on to something different.
These aren't the players that make up the "community" who have faithfully played the game since the introduction of Prophecies and have purchased every chapter. Since NF has only been out for a week, it is WAY to soon to pay any attention to these sort of requests.
I can't state strongly enough that Anet SHOULD NOT cater to those that just want to finish the game as quickly as possible. There has been far too much "dummying down" already imo. Too many players get games and want to finish them as quickly as possible (hench the godmode cheats for so many games) and then move on to something different.
These aren't the players that make up the "community" who have faithfully played the game since the introduction of Prophecies and have purchased every chapter. Since NF has only been out for a week, it is WAY to soon to pay any attention to these sort of requests.
Avarre
Shiro doesn't even have meditation. If anything, this mission is fairly easy with a few niche skills.
AlterN8
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/unsigned/
I can't state strongly enough that Anet SHOULD NOT cater to those that just want to finish the game as quickly as possible. There has been far too much "dummying down" already imo. Too many players get games and want to finish them as quickly as possible (hench the godmode cheats for so many games) and then move on to something different. These aren't the players that make up the "community" who have faithfully played the game since the introduction of Prophecies and have purchased every chapter. Since NF has only been out for a week, it is WAY to soon to pay any attention to these sort of requests. |
I just want to finish this one mission and, while you all seemed to float right through it, many of us havent. Maybe we just arent as uber skilled as you all but I have tried it for 2 days with multiple groups and it is quite frustrating waltzing through the level with no problems until 1 skill from 1 almost dead boss kills us time and time again. Wow that does sound fun huh? I mean why dont the server just kick us right before we kill Shiro every time...that is the way it feels anyway...it is nice to hear all you experts chiming in telling us how easy it was without telling us how you did it...and those who did were as amibiguously vague as possible..."use anti-melee skillz" Wow thanks...I'll probably try it with my armor equipped this time too...
Sry about venting...Im not trying to sound like an ass...but I came here hoping for a tip and all I see are folks saying how easy it is...while others complain of how hard it is...and it cant be both. I will keep searching these threads until i turn something up though...
Not A Fifty Five
Well I got lucky: I was a WoH monk so I got accepted into an all aliance group with a hero or two. We ignored the shrines and just beat the crap outta shiro and the lich. Not saying it wasn't hard, but WoH = God when you have a team thats smart enough to have your tank tank.
If the shrines don't help much yeah impossible odds = impossible mission. But I've heard they do help a bunch and make it so a good, not just extremely badass, team can make it through.
And Guys don't say something that's freakishly hard is easy just cause you got it on your first try. That like saying Oh Abstract Algebra II Is so frickin easy" Maybe for you but not 99.9% of the world.
If the shrines don't help much yeah impossible odds = impossible mission. But I've heard they do help a bunch and make it so a good, not just extremely badass, team can make it through.
And Guys don't say something that's freakishly hard is easy just cause you got it on your first try. That like saying Oh Abstract Algebra II Is so frickin easy" Maybe for you but not 99.9% of the world.
Avarre
Games are supposed to be challenging, yes?
It's been proven that it's possible, mainly with Hero groups, so improve your tactics and skills until you can. This is not a game intended for carebearing people through the already easy pve zones.
Oh, and a tip. Spoil Victor was buffed for a reason.
It's been proven that it's possible, mainly with Hero groups, so improve your tactics and skills until you can. This is not a game intended for carebearing people through the already easy pve zones.
Oh, and a tip. Spoil Victor was buffed for a reason.
mrcake
Your best bet is to go with hench/heroes then you can set it the way you like, as that is easier then getting a pug that works well.
I went with 2 heal 1 prot monk, necro with SS , fire ele , dervish, mes henchies/heroes. and i went tank and took spoil victor.
You need to note at wich point he usues his impossible odds and then get spoil victor and SS on him just before and he will drop soon enough.
If he takes down your tank or to many of the team with IO order your hench to run away and start over again once you all rez'd.
I didnt even bother with the shrines just made shiro come to the top of the stairs so he was easier to block in.
I went with 2 heal 1 prot monk, necro with SS , fire ele , dervish, mes henchies/heroes. and i went tank and took spoil victor.
You need to note at wich point he usues his impossible odds and then get spoil victor and SS on him just before and he will drop soon enough.
If he takes down your tank or to many of the team with IO order your hench to run away and start over again once you all rez'd.
I didnt even bother with the shrines just made shiro come to the top of the stairs so he was easier to block in.
Not A Fifty Five
Well some people cant solo it because they dont have skills from other campaigns. What do the shrines do anyways?
Lilanthe
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Well some people cant solo it because they dont have skills from other campaigns. What do the shrines do anyways?
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dgb
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1 skill from 1 almost dead boss kills us time and time again.
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The group I was in lost to him first time, same situation you describe. We looked at the skill, worked out a counter and smacked him down the second time. I think we modified about three skills across the entire team of eight for him.
The whole mission is a ward against bad players. It's designed to be on a razor edge between being in control and out of control - all the patrols nearly overlap so a few mistakes and you have a very large aggro, the portals and then the final boss. I think it's good that way, you have to think about how to beat it and can't just rush through it.
Avarre
I'd just like to add me and two others beat the mission with a thorough 60% dp by utilizing hard resses... over a hundred, I would say, on our 5 henchies, and slowly beating him down. We did absolutely everything wrong, double aggroed constantly, near-wiped a dozen times just getting there, and still managed it with proper kiting and careful attacks.
Not hard people, just don't stare into Impossible Odds and await death. The only 'counter' in our build was I had Signet of Midnight as my elite.
Not hard people, just don't stare into Impossible Odds and await death. The only 'counter' in our build was I had Signet of Midnight as my elite.
Avatara
/not signed
the later missions are supposed to be a challenge. If you can't beat it you're to noob and you need more practice.
the later missions are supposed to be a challenge. If you can't beat it you're to noob and you need more practice.
Rera
I LOL'd.
If good players can beat the mission with henchmen and heroes, there's absolutely no reason to change the mission.
If good players can beat the mission with henchmen and heroes, there's absolutely no reason to change the mission.
Stemnin
Ele = blind bot
Koss = wild blow bot
Cap all shrines and keep dual attunements on the ele, make sure he targets shiro only
Disable all koss's skills except like wild blow, if you are using sin hero, wild strike.
The shrines are easy to cap.
Koss = wild blow bot
Cap all shrines and keep dual attunements on the ele, make sure he targets shiro only
Disable all koss's skills except like wild blow, if you are using sin hero, wild strike.
The shrines are easy to cap.
explodemyheart
Like everybody else is saying, there are ways to counter it. If you can make it to Shiro and Lich with henchmen and heros you absolutely, positively can kill them both with henchmen and heros.
Wild blow, wild blow, wild blow. I can't say it enough. If you're not warrior class, bring Koss and give him wild blow. Like someone else said, disable all of his other skills if you have to. Tell him when to use it if you have to. Bring a necro hero set up as anti-melee, bring a mesmer set up as anti-melee. Bring a nuker with echo and meteor shower. In every single campaign alone, there is at least one skill to pretty much counter everything. It's a simple altering of builds.
Guild Wars is a game based on skill. Learn from your mistakes, figure out what you need to do, fix it and roll with it. I'm glad Anet finally made missions that challenged how you need to play the game.
Wild blow, wild blow, wild blow. I can't say it enough. If you're not warrior class, bring Koss and give him wild blow. Like someone else said, disable all of his other skills if you have to. Tell him when to use it if you have to. Bring a necro hero set up as anti-melee, bring a mesmer set up as anti-melee. Bring a nuker with echo and meteor shower. In every single campaign alone, there is at least one skill to pretty much counter everything. It's a simple altering of builds.
Guild Wars is a game based on skill. Learn from your mistakes, figure out what you need to do, fix it and roll with it. I'm glad Anet finally made missions that challenged how you need to play the game.
natuxatu
Quests that have the red masters next to it should be the most difficult. Unlike other online games I can not get anywhere else untill I beat it which should it make it slightly more doable. If people wouldn't be so narrow minded just because *they* managed to get past it, I think they would understand what I am saying.
Bokocasso
Glimmering mark flashbot ele with aegis.
explodemyheart
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Quests that have the red masters next to it should be the most difficult. Unlike other online games I can not get anywhere else untill I beat it which should it make it slightly more doable. If people wouldn't be so narrow minded just because *they* managed to get past it, I think they would understand what I am saying.
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I failed some things, over and over and over. Each time I altered my ways a little bit, and each time it got better until I could finally finish it. I'm sorry if you don't have the patience or will to do this, but that's hardly anybody's fault but your own. Anet shouldn't need to fluff things up for some people just because they're lazy or unwilling to work it out for themselves.
Blightfire
/unsigned... if you expect to complete a game without using skill at all you should just cheat in a single player game.
Detraya fullvear
/notsigned.
omg, its to hard!!! nurf it nurf it!!!!!. nm the fact that if youve ever played factions youve wiped the floor with him. hes evan easier this time, he can't banish your monks....
omg, its to hard!!! nurf it nurf it!!!!!. nm the fact that if youve ever played factions youve wiped the floor with him. hes evan easier this time, he can't banish your monks....
J-Bo
/signed
First off, if this wasn't an issue, then why is this thread even here? Clearly it is an issue.
Log into the Gate of Madness and watch the chat. Everyone is complaining. Why? Because this mission is rediculous.
For those of us who have families and lives we would like to go on and beat the game without days and days of digging on the net and asking every blooming body how to beat a mission. Only to get crap, tenebrous answers from the Uber Elite players who have beat the mission. Who incidently not all really have a clue for the most part.
If I see any of you offering to help others, get through the mission, in the game, by starting a group and actually helping, I will recant my drivel. But currently I see no one offering help in the game by starting groups. Also the little help on the web is just that, little help.
Also some of us haven't capped SV and finding a SV necro in Gate of Madness is rare.
I have finally beat this mission. I appreciate hard missions. But there are a few (not just in NightFall) that should have been nurfed a tad. Not by much mind you, just enough to give some of us, not so skilled and tactfull players a small glimmer of hope. Three days and 30 builds later, is just too much crap.
I have played all three chapters from start to finish and Henched most of it. I actually dreaded coming home after work and attempting this mission. To me that defeats the purpose of a game.
First off, if this wasn't an issue, then why is this thread even here? Clearly it is an issue.
Log into the Gate of Madness and watch the chat. Everyone is complaining. Why? Because this mission is rediculous.
For those of us who have families and lives we would like to go on and beat the game without days and days of digging on the net and asking every blooming body how to beat a mission. Only to get crap, tenebrous answers from the Uber Elite players who have beat the mission. Who incidently not all really have a clue for the most part.
If I see any of you offering to help others, get through the mission, in the game, by starting a group and actually helping, I will recant my drivel. But currently I see no one offering help in the game by starting groups. Also the little help on the web is just that, little help.
Also some of us haven't capped SV and finding a SV necro in Gate of Madness is rare.
I have finally beat this mission. I appreciate hard missions. But there are a few (not just in NightFall) that should have been nurfed a tad. Not by much mind you, just enough to give some of us, not so skilled and tactfull players a small glimmer of hope. Three days and 30 builds later, is just too much crap.
I have played all three chapters from start to finish and Henched most of it. I actually dreaded coming home after work and attempting this mission. To me that defeats the purpose of a game.
Blackhawk
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I'm not sure how that makes us narrow minded. Not all of us simply breezed through everything. We had to fail once or twice and alter the way we played or the builds we used or the henchmen/heros we took to be able to get through it. That doesn't mean it isn't doable, or hardly doable. It means you need to sit down and think, and maybe alter yourself a little bit.
I failed some things, over and over and over. Each time I altered my ways a little bit, and each time it got better until I could finally finish it. I'm sorry if you don't have the patience or will to do this, but that's hardly anybody's fault but your own. Anet shouldn't need to fluff things up for some people just because they're lazy or unwilling to work it out for themselves. |
They put new skills in for a reason, try getting off your backside and using some of them rather than being a bunch of babies
Dark Suoon
Well our whole group had 60 dp.....we did it without Spoil Victor.....I dont know how we did it but im proud of that victory 
Savio
This thread isn't going anywhere as a suggestion. If you can't beat a mission, go make a thread asking how to beat it rather than asking for it to be made easier. Closed.