Before I get into this too deeply, I must say that I really like Nightfall and see it as an improvement over Factions. The one thing that has bothered me about it is that there seems to be a lot of monotonous questing between missions and general sunspear point farming needed for much of it. Admittedly I have experienced this the most with my non-nightfall characters that I have brought over as I work to get them to Sunspear General rank.
My question is: Do you think that there is too much emphasis on quest/sunspear point farming as opposed to missions in this game?
For all those who have finished the game, I must also ask if the game ever picks up or if the "gain enough sunspear rank to continue" is a constant blockade from progression.
Nightfall: Too much of a grind?
XvArchonvX
Horuku
I like the "monotonous" quests personally. They really add to the flavor of the game and make you care about what you are doing. Don't look at trying to get through an area very fast but instead see it as an actual world that you are helping "save." The sunspear points are not a hinder at all, as long as whenever you are completing quests you take the orders from the scouts or priests later in the game.
MaglorD
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Nightfall is a bit of a grind but it's so much fun! Even though you are grinding in some parts, Anet made the grind into fun! Getting sunspear general was a bit of a grind but it gave me a chance to cap all the avatar elites for my dervish and do some interesting quests 
0mar
I never have noticed it so far. Just doing the quests and killing monsters got me to 1.5k sunspear points without much trouble. I still have at least 5 quests to do, each worth 100 sunspear points, and probably get 200-400 doing the quests as well, with the bounties.
realoddsman
I have 6 pve chars. Its a grind. Getting off the noobie island was a grind. Getting 2500 was a boring task.
Compare it to factions. You only had to get 10k faction once. After that... you could rush each char through easily.
Compare it to factions. You only had to get 10k faction once. After that... you could rush each char through easily.
KiRi
=/ i don't mind it right now, i was short some points after finishing a quest so i decide to clear the area.
Found some more quests in part of the area i would have over looked other wise...
i have yet to see how annoying it is with bringing a character over.
Found some more quests in part of the area i would have over looked other wise...
i have yet to see how annoying it is with bringing a character over.
XvArchonvX
I will admit, some of the quests are pretty amusing and I have paid more attention to the story line with quests than I ever have. My favorite quest so far has to be Koss's Elixer, lol.
noir0
i thoughraly enjoyed the 'grind' to get sunspear general, mostly because i did it without killing a single monster for the wandering preists, all the quests in the surrounding area of the command post are intresting and they vary in many diverse and unique ways, i was never bored, i also throughraly enjoyed walking the large drake 
SerenitySilverstar
Seriously, we're not even a week in and it's a GRIND?
Eesh. So much for taking things slow and enjoying the scenery....
Eesh. So much for taking things slow and enjoying the scenery....
Gururian
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I have 6 pve chars. Its a grind. Getting off the noobie island was a grind. Getting 2500 was a boring task.
Compare it to factions. You only had to get 10k faction once. After that... you could rush each char through easily. |
Fluffyx
Indeed it is a grind in some places. But as mentioned above I have had fun getting my sunspear points. Well that is until I had to get to general, that was an hour of meaningless grind that I did not enjoy one bit. The thing that bothers me the most is the new mission set up, they take away locked gates only to implement this? Its going to be terrible getting through the game with me 9 pve characters. >_>
LumpOfCole
The Sunspear Point requirements allowed me to "stop and smell the roses" instead of blasting through the story full speed. Getting them doesn't take that long and, more importantly, it's fun getting them.
MegaMouse
It can be a grind but for me I like to explore so while exploring I was also killing monsters for the priests. Clearing an area can net up to 1-2k in points depending on how large the area is. I havent finished (been taking my time doing all the quests and missions) yet so I realy dont know much but am pretty far into it. I enjoy some parts but others are a little boring. Checking out the scenery is always fun.
Mega Mouse
Mega Mouse
Malice Black
I think that the noob island is perhaps a little too long. In chapter1 I left pre as soon as possible (didn't like it) factions I used a lvl20 char so I never went to the noob island and now in NF I'm finding the quests just to get a mission to activate slightly annoying.
Cloudpiercer
GW's players are spoiled, people have already beaten the game, how much of a grind could there be.
Sunspear points are so easy to get its crazy, kill monsters for a couple hours and its over. Thats just my 2 cents.
Sunspear points are so easy to get its crazy, kill monsters for a couple hours and its over. Thats just my 2 cents.
Malice Black
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dreamhunk
the next thing for anet to work on is how theey present the quest text.
the npc should move moving about too.
yo improve the rpg, I say when anet is making the next chapter make sure to include or ask ideas from jeff grubb.
he will must likely know have an idea to improve the rpg
The so far is really good
Dealing with with mounts it would have been cool if you could have your wurms smash more things in the to make more fun and I wonder if i can keep my wurm LOL
next chapter riding on a flying creature LOL
the npc should move moving about too.
yo improve the rpg, I say when anet is making the next chapter make sure to include or ask ideas from jeff grubb.
he will must likely know have an idea to improve the rpg
The so far is really good
Dealing with with mounts it would have been cool if you could have your wurms smash more things in the to make more fun and I wonder if i can keep my wurm LOL
next chapter riding on a flying creature LOL
Neo Nugget
I would find it annoying if it wasn't a title.I dont have many and it was so cool when i got rank 6.
Avarre
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I think that the noob island is perhaps a little too long. In chapter1 I left pre as soon as possible (didn't like it) factions I used a lvl20 char so I never went to the noob island and now in NF I'm finding the quests just to get a mission to activate slightly annoying.
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If you do the quests in the area and pick up bounties when you see them, Sunspear and Lightbringer points do not have to be ground out. It's easy to fill out a Tyrian characters Sunspear general by doing most of the quests around Sunspear Sanctuary and fighting the monsters with bounties activated. If you purposely avoid enemies and ignore quests, yes, it's a grind, because you artificially limit yourself to only purposely killing enemies to get the points, repeatedly. If you actually play the game, do the quests, and kill stuff while doing the quests, no, it's not a grind. Nothing has to be repeated to get General. beyond general, ranks are not needed.
Clawdius_Talonious
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None of the exspansions/chapters will match Chapter1 for legnth.
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I think there's as much content available in Nightfall that your average new player would experience as your new Prophecies character, if not more in the way of entertaining story and useful AI allies. The Guild Wars engine's gotten a lot of attention and is nicely polished for the most part. With the new AI comes new interesting unintended AI behavior that will hopefully be straightened out if it was unintended. I chased one monk all the way back to the start of a map from the halfway point on the Consulate Docks, I never caught him; he ran ito the sunspear archers
realoddsman
I personally think the sunspear title should be across the account, rather than per char, ie. Kurzick/Luxon title. Anet can do w.e with the lightbringer title.
Sagius Truthbarron
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I have 6 pve chars. Its a grind. Getting off the noobie island was a grind. Getting 2500 was a boring task.
Compare it to factions. You only had to get 10k faction once. After that... you could rush each char through easily. |
Clawdius_Talonious
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Sorry, I forgot the point of the game was to rush as many characters through it as quickly as possible, to sell your endgame items while they're still quite valuable
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Heh, a lot of people may be doing just that, me I use the goodies I get or I find them a good home.
Solar_Takfar
The game is perfectly paced, imo. But that's coming from someone who likes to explore every corner and do every quest in a game. In fact, I always exceeded the needed sunspear points whenever that was a requirement for any quest. My advice to you is to just play the game... experience the story, the visuals, the gameplay; when you get a novel to read, you don't just skip to the last page, do you?
dreamhunk
there is some people that don't want this game to get better.
the tittles that anet put is prefect there is no grind it is a matter of choice
the tittles that anet put is prefect there is no grind it is a matter of choice
realoddsman
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the tittles that anet put is prefect there is no grinf it is a matter of choice
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explodemyheart
I don't understand what everybody's complaining about. I got all of the points I needed on my ele (started a new NF one) just by questing and talking to people at shrines and killing only what I needed to on the way to/back from quests. As for non-Elonian characters, I had almost enough quests + shrine bonuses to get me the full 2,500 points I needed on my monk. I think I had to actually farm about 200 of those points.
Thallandor
I am sorry if anyone felt that there was a large grind with the Sunspear Rank. Personally i have 9 PvE toons and from what i have seen, even for non Elonian toon, you gain Sunspear Point (SSP) rather quickly if you just do the side quest surronding the areas and theres alot of them that offers more than 100 SSP for completion and should allow you to get 2500SSP for the general rank to continue. Otherwise theres always the SSP farm of Hekets with Olias as MM while reading a book or watching TV ^_^
Like some other players said, if you just play through the game and story and attempt the quest (its not that hard and time consuming like faction ones) you be able to get to Sunspear General with ease while you are leveling up your heros as well.
Hopes this helps.
Like some other players said, if you just play through the game and story and attempt the quest (its not that hard and time consuming like faction ones) you be able to get to Sunspear General with ease while you are leveling up your heros as well.
Hopes this helps.
llsektorll
can't complain when you can do entire game with henches and heros 
Clawdius_Talonious
I am quite sure that the day NF released the early shrines on the mainland were +3 points and now they're +4 (am I just crazy, anyone else remember this?) if so, then I had more to grind for it and still got it in no time flat just doing quests and taking the priests blessings.
arcanemacabre
I thought it was paced quite well. As others have said, if you just get all the hunt bonuses along the way while doing all the quests, you'll have more than enough without having to farm. I'm sitting at ~4,000 points, didn't farm any of it.
Criminally Sane
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I don't understand what everybody's complaining about. I got all of the points I needed on my ele (started a new NF one) just by questing and talking to people at shrines and killing only what I needed to on the way to/back from quests. As for non-Elonian characters, I had almost enough quests + shrine bonuses to get me the full 2,500 points I needed on my monk. I think I had to actually farm about 200 of those points.
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I think some people should go play other MMOs and come back after learning what grind really is.
Katari
Getting the ranks hasn't been a problem for me so far. However, what has been quite annoying is how my old level 20 characters from tyria/cantha get lvl 2/6/13 Koss, Dunkoro, Tahlkora. What's more, that level 6 Dunkoro is needed for the very first mission, which features level 20+ mobs. Sure, they get boosted health/armor there, but still, they need levels.
TheMosesPHD
If you think getting sunspear rank as a Canthan or Tyrian is a grind, you're doing it wrong. Instead of repetitive zoning and killing of the same monsters, how about following some of the quests you have and finding new places, with new quests, that give new sunspear rank awards.
Like Criminally Sane was saying, true grind doesn't really exist in Guild Wars, you're just spoiled.
Also, leveling up your low lvl Dunkaro's and Koss's isn't too bad, you've just gotta keep an eye on em for a while, but they get PLed pretty fast. I think scrolls work on NPCs? That could help too if they do.
Stop staring at your character's pocketbook and start viewing the scenery and the quest storylines that the designers worked so hard on. There's more than one type of reward in life, and in a game it's sort of silly to choose a method of play that makes you crave for more more more now now now.
Take an effort to slow it down and you'll enjoy the game more. I promise
Like Criminally Sane was saying, true grind doesn't really exist in Guild Wars, you're just spoiled.
Also, leveling up your low lvl Dunkaro's and Koss's isn't too bad, you've just gotta keep an eye on em for a while, but they get PLed pretty fast. I think scrolls work on NPCs? That could help too if they do.
Stop staring at your character's pocketbook and start viewing the scenery and the quest storylines that the designers worked so hard on. There's more than one type of reward in life, and in a game it's sort of silly to choose a method of play that makes you crave for more more more now now now.
Take an effort to slow it down and you'll enjoy the game more. I promise
Thom
I am really enjoying Nightfall, but I can't see playing it through more than twice. My main guy is a monk who has played through everything, so I can always help out teams. Eventually I'll role a NF Paragon and run him through the game as quickly as possible.
If I had 7 PvE characters I wanted to run through the game, I'd go nuts. The 20 missions are more daunting than the Sunspear points. Trying to hench or pug the last 5 missions is nuts. The Realm of Torrement missions are like questing FoW or Underworld.
If I had 7 PvE characters I wanted to run through the game, I'd go nuts. The 20 missions are more daunting than the Sunspear points. Trying to hench or pug the last 5 missions is nuts. The Realm of Torrement missions are like questing FoW or Underworld.
Cebe
Too much of a grind? No...I did think so when I saw how many sunspear points you needed for "General" but when you work through a few quests and take the bounty as well it's not a problem.
I'll admit to rushing a character through the game. My Elementalist is my first and all time favourite character. When we started NF it just really annoyed me that she couldn't get anywhere I needed her at any time... Thus, I rushed her through. That was my reason... I noticed a lot of people in this thread suggesting it was because people wanted to sell endgame greens while they were still valuable...or they were rushing characters through for "no apparent reason". I will not be selling my endgame green, expecially since it's has a restoration requirement. The best staff of that type I have is req. 12 restoration...this one is req. 9. So if people were looking for a pointless reason to rush a character through the game...mine was driven by my annoyance at not knowing what was in store for me, and wanting access to everywhere by at least one character.
I'll admit to rushing a character through the game. My Elementalist is my first and all time favourite character. When we started NF it just really annoyed me that she couldn't get anywhere I needed her at any time... Thus, I rushed her through. That was my reason... I noticed a lot of people in this thread suggesting it was because people wanted to sell endgame greens while they were still valuable...or they were rushing characters through for "no apparent reason". I will not be selling my endgame green, expecially since it's has a restoration requirement. The best staff of that type I have is req. 12 restoration...this one is req. 9.
Xeeron
No grind really. Just by doing the missions and quests, you get more than enough sunspear points. Add in that the Nightfall side-quests are the best I have seen so far (Best.Quest.Ever. lol) and there is no need to grind at all.
- Xeeron
- Xeeron
arcanemacabre
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No grind really. Just by doing the missions and quests, you get more than enough sunspear points. Add in that the Nightfall side-quests are the best I have seen so far (Best.Quest.Ever. lol) and there is no need to grind at all.
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