Best secondary for warrior

Your points echo mine I believe. However, just one thing. Strength applies ONLY to regular attack damage. Attack skills damage is automatically armor-ignoring, unless the skill says something like "does cold damage". If the skill says "Does +X damage", all that additional damage is already armor-penetrating.
i think everyone is confused with wat strength does. LOOK IT UP. first one guy says it only aplys to regular atk damage then the nxt says only to skills... do any of yall noe anything?? even if u claim this and that the way i c it is. Strength has its use. Powerstrike is just that more powerful. i dont rely on raw facts i rely on wat i c. all of you should too.

Well, Jesh, there was this silly notion that armor ignoring sets the AL to 60, and that AP kicking in would reduce it further. Not true, of course, and you've probably heard, but just wanted to mention.

Someone is abusing powers they don't have yet~

Okay, let's inject some intelligent into the discussion. Whereas both Lightning and Ogami, Jesh, and others(?) have made points, they haven't added anything to the actual discussion.

I assume that the thread is about the Dervish class being the best secondary, and not simply the "best" secondary. Notice that "best" does not really exist. More accurately, it would be "most suitable" for each situation. A theoretical best is would be "most suitable" in all reasonable situations.

In that case, no, W/D is not the best. Here are a few reasons: It cannot utilize Deepwound or Adrenaline/Melee spike as effective as either a Axe/Sword/Hammer warrior OR a Dervish, speaking, of course, of the pretty decent Reaper's Sweep + Mystic Sweep (3/4 activation) spike, or using Wearying Strike + Plague touch to spread deepwound for fun. Don't know what for, and haven't found a use, but it seemed important to note.

For that reason, the W/D is limited in its use. Especially in form of attacks, as there aren't really any good attack skills a W/D can use with the exception of Wild Blow, and, in my opinion, Bull's Strike, and Protector's Strike, both of which are triggering from moving targets. I forgot whether it was moving targets that trigger criticals, or if it's still "fleeing" unlike the Bull's Strike update a while back, but both these skills seem to syngergize well with a scythe.

As you can see, I'm not the most learned warrior there is. Still, from experiences as a D/W, I've learnt that running from a Dervish is a bad idea. A warrior with slightly less than half health will very likely be killed by the aforementioned combo (Reaper+Mystic), due to the high critical.

Speaking of critical, I've found, in the PvP weekend, in fact, that a W/D does do large amount of DPS. This DPS can largely be avoided through kiting (or not kiting), and correct positioning. Mesmers in Zaishen Challenge were like flies, however, so it's all fine and dandy to me.

When using a scythe, I can only assume that is your goal is to maximize your Critical Chance, which can be done through Primal Rage. It's possible to use a A/D, but that's neither here nor there. With Primal Rage, you run into lots of complications. For one thing, it's stupid as an RA build, and it's dubious whether effecient monks exist in PvE, so the lack of healing causes concern. However, it does have decent armor (watch yourself was added in for fun). It is a rather oppotunistic build. I didn't actually run Prot's Strike, though it makes lots of theoretical sense. Wild Blow and Bull's Strike was good enough.

Strength does not add damage to normal attacks, so it's really just for the Primal Rage. It deals a hefty amount of damage...

... but less damage than a Dervish. It's simple numbers, really. Due to higher mastery, a Dervish deals more damage on average. Now added to this, you are capable of using a non stance IAS, namely Heart of Fury, which gives a nice 33% buff at little cost. Enchant stripping isn't an issue if you have multiple 5 recharging enchants.

Back on topic. With an IAS, your dervish does less damage than a dervish. Note that fleeing goes auto crit anyway, so Primal Rage, I found, wasn't really as good as it seemed, didn't add as much as I thought it would. A Dervish can use an avatar, buffing its armor to up to 115 (windwalker), or with Lyssa's, my favourite, which gives a crazy +50 damage, or Reaper+Mystic scythe combo.

For one thing, I am pretty sure a D/W and beat a W/D one on one quite easily, due to several reasons: +25 per hit, +10 regen, +33% IAS, +Cripple fleeing does +Choice Elite. Strength's activation, when it does, which it wouldn't very often, doesn't really do as much difference as you might like. The thing with a D/W are the constant restrictions, and you would know what it means if you've played one. It's not a big issue though. In fact, its restrictions are lesser to that of a W/D.

Now to compare a W/D to a W/any. Axe for example. Energy leech? You lose precious health leech and adrenaline by using a Zealous Scythe. Note also that scythe's slow attack speed means that you gain energy slower too. Without an IAS as a Zealous Hammer warrior would have, you simply don't gain that much energy too quickly. Scythes without IAS are really.. really slow. Of course, a dervish compensates that by having Mystic and Eremite's Sweep, but I guess that's a closed door for you.

An Axe swings much much faster. Triple + Cyclone combo are more effective in huge mobs, and deal more damage too. Scythes hitting 3 targets, for me, is more for flavor than actual use. In a touch situation, I don't see it coming into play that much.

Both ways, they deal more damage to single targets, and potentially become more effective in PvE as well.

So yes, it could work, I guess.

Vital Boon is a poor skill for a warrior in my opinion though, same with Twin Moon.

"For one thing, it's stupid as an RA build"


on ur profle thingy it says ur a RA. Also how u claim if there are any effiecent monks in Pve u seem to foget the new hero system. i can have up to 3 monks on my team.... they all chain heal and heal me. so pve is kinda fun with this build cuz u fight so fast.