Make the arenas not count for tryan explorer

Since we can no longer go to them I would like to see the map % that the arenas cover be taken away from what is necessary to complete the tryian explorer title. Or that they open those areas up so that we can explore them. Because I feel that it is unfair that these areas count as part of the map % when we cannot go to them.

/signed - No PvP areas should count towards a PvE title. Unbalanced and unfair. If unchanged, fame and rank should be dependant upon each characters drunkeness level or protector titles (for example).

Didn't they already remove all arenas from the explorer titles?

I've been hearing that myself.

No one uses the pre level 20 arenas anyways.

I beleive everyone is talking about the Arenas that were closed when the Battle Isles were opened...

Look at Droknar's Forge, you'll see a single Zaishen Acolyte outside the Drok's Arena

the arenas left behind in tyria count toward the tyrian explorer title but are not required to achieve the title, they are leeway parts, making it slightly easier for older toons to get their titles.. new ones can still get 100% without ever stepping foot in the arenas.

Guys, Tyria mapping has *so* much leeway the arenas might as well not count.

I got Grandmaster Tyrian Cartographer on a Canthan character (ie. no arenas) without even mapping Lornar's Pass. Others have gotten it without mapping Abaddon's Mouth and Hell's Precipice. Tyria is a big map with lots of uncoverable spaces, but it also has the leeway to match. There is much less leeway, for example, in Cantha or Elona.

Are you kidding me? I'm at 96.8 right now and I've gone over nearly every map twice. I do know where a few large chunks are, but I have no clue where I will get most of what I need. Tyria is definately the hardest to get 100%. I was dumbfounded how much easier exploring in cantha is...

I hate to burst your bubble, but the Areans DONT count towards exploration in tyria.

I know because i have 100% on tyria and cantha.

So why the post?

Go read guildwiki and look up exploration and it explains what counts and doesnt.

Exploration tyria could only reach 100% without exploring the entire map, if you had been playing GWs when all the areanas still existed in tyria.

But anyone playing AFTER they removed most of the areanas from tyria, would have to explore ALL the map area which was left.

Ihave read wiki and that is where i learned that the old arenas do count

@Freekedoutfish: you are wrong period.

Again, YOU DO NOT NEED TO EXPLORE THE ENITRE MAP TO GET 100%.

I, personally, got 100% map exploration without even mapping Loranar's Pass. That's how much leeway there is. I don't have the old arenas because my character is Canthan-born.

Well "personnally" speaking, I cant understand how. Unless there is some greater leeway for Canthan characters.

In which case thats totally unfair.

The only areans I explored in Tyria where the low-level ones which they didnt remove, and those dont count anyway.

I had to explore the ENTIRE map, every last square foot of it to get 100%. The last bit I needed being 'Lornar's Pass', which counted for a hefty chunk of it.

So you tell me till your blue in the face that Im wrong, but Im not.

I know because my ele has 100% and my Necro has about 90%, and the only part he needs is in 'Lornar's pass', there isnt anywhere else he could explore other then the far right section of DOD and that wouldnt cover the full 10% he needs.

You also have to consider the fact that a Canthan character can explore a tiny section bellow LA that Tyrians cant or couldnt until NightFall was released.

It is part of the story when Canthan characters come to Tryia and enter LA from the south, from the sea.

That would add % to your exploration which Tyrians wouldnt get until now.

Having said all that, they may have changed it since I completed the title about 6 months ago.

"These are specific areas commonly missed by cartographers. It has recently been reported that it is easier to get the title than before. You do not need to explore all of the secret areas to get the 100% title. "

GuildWiki.

If thats true and they've changed it, and you dont need that huge chunk, then quite honestly I wont be happy.

WRONG. My PvP only character that I've had for a year has 1.2% exploration of Tyria because of those old now closed PvP arenas. They DO count, however, there is enough leanway for you to not need them.

*roles eyes.*

Im well aware they actually count towards a % of the map.

They DONT count towards the Grandmaster Exploration Title!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the WRONG is back at you.

As you said, due to leaway.

Anyone else want to pick holess at my statement?

Sorry if that sounds insulting, but I HAVE THE 100% ON BOTH, SO I KNOW THIS STUFF. God knows I read every website and post I could find to help me achieve it.

If its been changed in the last few months since I acheived it then fair enough, but I cant say I noticed.

freekedoutfish: The one thing you are failing to realize is that you can't know if you actually explored every corner of the map. If you just barely got 100%, then I can safely say that you missed spots. I got my Tyria GMC about 4 months ago. If you "explored every corner", why did you need Lornar's, but I didn't? And it isn't just me. As I said, I know of a person that didn't need Abaddon's/Hell's Prec. Clearly, there's a ton of leeway in Tyria. I think this is appropriate, because Tyria is absolutely enormous.

If an area counts towards map %, how does it not count towards the title? You got extra % out of it. You can say that you don't *need* the arenas to get the title, but to say it "doesn't count" is just plainly false.

I'll try to explain this as best I can.

Originally, before I played, they had several areanas in tyria, long before the battle isles were created.

These areanas did originally count towards exploration, to my knowledge.

When they removed the areanas they released no one would be able to get the 100% anymore.

To fix this they reduced the amount you need to achieve full exploration to just bellow 100%, but kept the actual meter reading up-to 100%.

So technically your probably only exploring about 99.5% of actual map, which exists.

The two or three areanas which do still exist, will count towards revealing map, and will count towards the ACTUAL exploration level which we dont see.

But due to the leeway, we dont need them to achieve the 100% shown in the exploration meter.

The amount you can ACTUALLY explore and get access to on the map will still exceed 100%, due to the two or three areanas which still exist on the map.

Now in saying that. If you no longer count the two areanas which do exist in tyria into the exploration title, then you DO still have to count Loranar's pass into exploration.

How do I know this?

Firstly because as Ive mentioned I have 100% on my elemental. And I know from doing it, that Lorana's pass was the last area I explored and the last area I needed to reach 100% in.

I hugged the walls of EVERY other area which could be reached. To me, thats clear enough evidence, that AT THE TIME of me doing it, you needed that area.

Secondly, I have a Necro who is currently on 93% exploration in Tyria. I know due to my experience from my elemental and from comparing maps in photo editing software, that the only area I need is that between Beacons perch and the warcamp.

This to me shows that area is worth about 7%.

Now you can argue against that if you wish.

But due to that evidence, I cant see how you still tell me that you can achieve 100% without exploring every reachable area in on the map (excluding areanas).

Maybe Im wrong, but as mentioned, I have a Necro sitting there who hasnt explored Lorana's pass, but HAS explored everywhere else, and hes on 93%!

Answer that one?

to thoes of you that mistakenly beleve that 100% can be acomplished with the arenas closed. i am at 98.2% the screen shot of my map is too large of a file to post but i will email it to anyone. if you can show where i have not been i will post a reply that says that this post was incorect and make an apology.

There is a thread dedicated to tyrian exploration.

Search for; "Tips and Maps for 100% Tyria Exploration"

Post a zoomed out version of your map without the interface and someone will look at it for you.

well yall were right i got 100% i am sory for dobting ya and i no longer suport my posting

Tempted to say I told you so, but I wont

Please close the thread so I get the last word

/signed

I already got my 100% without any of the arenas (not even Ascalon), but I know that while I was trying to get the last few percent I would have signed this.

I got 100% Tyria GMC on another character, this time without exploring the extra part of Dunes of Despair, and without mapping most of Skyward Reach or the area outside of Thirsty River. This was also a Canthan character, so no way I could have gotten the arenas.

Again, there is a *ton* of leeway. If you're getting stuck at 9x.x%, you are not being thorough, end of discussion.

Freeked, you continue to fail to understand that you cannot know whether you explored every corner of the map. Just because you thought you scraped every edge doesn't mean you got every tiny bit.

/notsigned - since it's still possible to get Tyria GMC w/out them.


I've had Tyrian GMC for a while, but without ever having fought on any of the arena maps and only being to one arena outpost that's closed now. And I still find tiny bits uncover in Tyria that I didn't have when my title first said 100%

There's a good deal of leeway on Tryia to get GMC w/out the arenas. 100% according to the title is really probably closer to 97-98% of the actual, total, possible-at-some-time uncovered map. I'd guess it's closer to 98-99 in Cantha and Elona.

You can ask for map-comparison help here on guru from the very nice people that monitor that thread.

There are various places around the web with GMC complete maps if you'd rather compare yourself. I made this post on another site with general and area-specific tips and screenies of my map to help friends get it, and the site admin there was kind enough to make it public.

IMO, Tyria GMC is the hardest to get. I have all three, and Tyria GMC is still the title I'm most proud of.

Good luck!
Luny

You know what why dont they just open those Arenas as outposts/explorable areas and maybe add a quest or two to each one? Also maybe the Dorknars Arena could just be added as an expansion on to Drok's (like the Shing Jeas Monastary Boardwalk.)

True, I might not know EVERY part of the map, and I MAY have missed bits.

But considering that EVERY single 100% map which ive looked at, has EXACTLY the same locations uncovered.

Im going to say its a safe bet that if the MAJORITY of people, whom ive spoken to, have found all the EXACT same places as myself, thent their isnt anywhere else to explore in Tyria which is accessible.

Unless your suggesting that every single other Tyrian born player Ive ever spoken to, who has 100%, have ALL missed the same exact spots?

Every last single one of them?

But if the character is Canthan born, then your arguement about Skyward Reach and DoD is void.

Its quite obvious that a canthan born character doesnt need to explore as much of the map as a Tyrian born character. Especially if you didnt need the DoD section and Skyward Reach.

So that doesnt mean that a TYRIAN born character doesnt need those locations. Which they obviously do as I still have Necro sitting in Tyria with 90% who ONLY needs Skyward Reach.

I know that, because ive compared his map to my own and to the other dozen or so maps ive got.

But like you say; It may be that myself and these dozens of other Tyrian players are wrong.

But going by your logic, if I my Necro doesnt need Skyward Reach!

Where does he need?

Because your suggesting that somehow, I must have missed a completely different location in Tyria which holds about 10% of the map.

And 10% is a farly large chunk in Tyria. It would be almost an entire new island, if you consider the size of Skyward Reach.

Your logic against Tyrian born players just doesnt make sense, unless Anet has made a change to it.

But they obviously havent since I still have a Necro in Tyria who is at 90% and has exactly the same places as me, except for Skyward Reach.

Conclusion:

Tyrian born players need Skyward Reach, DoD and other parts.

Non-Tyrian players obviously have more leeway and dont (Perhaps because of the obvious fact that their able to explore a section south of LA).

They added roughly a 4% margin to Tyria. Those who already explored those areas can max out their title slightly more easily, but it is still possible for other players to achieve 100%.

Tyrian's can get in that area to the SE of LA now, too. (I think it's where the arena outpost used to be.) Talk to the guard at the gate there, up past storage hill on the way to the lighthouse. The area is an accessible-to-all explorable area now, used in the quests for Tyrian characters to first get to Elona. It counts, sure, but I can't believe it accounts for 10% of the Tyrian map. Uncovering one the average size Tyrian explorable areas has always seemed to net around 2-3% on the mapping title track.

I've seen a lot of 100% maps, and they were not complete. Many people have even posted 100% maps saying, "I know I'm missing a few spots, but I'm too lazy to go back and clear them, since I have the title anyway".

This is exactly what I think. Look at all of the threads full of people who can't get GMC in Tyria, Cantha, and Elona. I've never had problems with GMC - I got all of them on the first try, on two different characters, and I've always had uncovered spots left over. Not once have I barely made it - I always made it with plenty to spare. Are you going to say that a Canthan character has mapping advantages on all three continents? The fact that GMC help threads even exist is an indication that the vast majority of players here can't be trusted to have a complete map - they're just barely scraping out 100% after all that map comparisons, when we know for a fact that there's leeway on all 3 maps.

Again, the argument here is not that I am l33tsauce at mapping - the argument is that the majority people simply are not thorough, and their maps therefore cannot be trusted.

So in conclusion: Yes, I believe that you, and the majority of the players you talked to, are wrong.

For the record my buddy has 100% and never set foot in an arena...