Just a heads up to those that buy unidentified gold items for wisdom titles:
There seems to be a rash of ppl selling gold items that took advantage of the code update on the 25th (that has since been patched). This allowed people to extract the mods from unidentifed gold weapons/items without actually haveing to ID them first.
They would then sell the items off as "unidents". Dirty pool.
FYI
Gold Unidentified Scammers
Firebaall
Fluim
I hope this gets fixed quest, if it isn\t already, I couldn't find it on guildwiki. it's down. Thanks for telling.
BlueNovember
Why should you care when you're buying them for wisdom title anyway? ¬_¬ I test my golds before selling them unid. Anyone who expects to find perfect mods on unid golds is just being naiive.
Oh a GW forum
Um you're buying unideds... if they end up having no mods that's your own fault for buying unideds. Do you expect them all to have 20/20 and +30 mods or something? I test all my unided before I sell anyways, I guess I'm a scammer because I don't want to sell golds with valuable stats for 1k?
Kyosuke
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Originally Posted by Oh a GW forum
Um you're buying unideds... if they end up having no mods that's your own fault for buying unideds. Do you expect them all to have 20/20 and +30 mods or something? I test all my unided before I sell anyways, I guess I'm a scammer because I don't want to sell golds with valuable stats for 1k?
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I don't buy UNids, but alot of people do any rely on that for several different reasons...
Terra Xin
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Yeah, you would be a scammer then if you test it then just go ahead and sell it b/c you don't like the results.. GTFO of here seriously...
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The best reason a person would buy unid's would ONLY be for the wisdom title track. It's easy to say that you're a scammer yourself if you're trying to get a weapon for a low price in the hopes that you'll get lucky and sell it for higher.
Avarre
Anyone who collects rare items to sell unid for a profit tests them, and it's for that reason the unid market is now restricted to wisdom title buyers, essentially.
It's common knowledge they are tested, and it's sheer fantasy to expect good mods. It happens, but it's never an expectation.
It's common knowledge they are tested, and it's sheer fantasy to expect good mods. It happens, but it's never an expectation.
Linksys
Well let's say the mods have been salvaged off a gold unid weapon, but it's still an unid gold. If you ID it, it still puts anther point in the wisdom title track, right? If I'm paying 1k for it just for the title count, I wouldn't care. I can sell the item to the merchant to get some money back anyways.
Other than for that reason, I never buy unid items.
Other than for that reason, I never buy unid items.
Loralai
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Originally Posted by Linksys
Well let's say the mods have been salvaged off a gold unid weapon, but it's still an unid gold. If you ID it, it still puts anther point in the wisdom title track, right? If I'm paying 1k for it just for the title count, I wouldn't care. I can sell the item to the merchant to get some money back anyways.
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Mr_T_bot
You must all be scammers.
"Hah, it's their own fault for buying un-ID'd items. Brb, gotta go remove all the parts from an un-ID'd so I can sell it to unsuspecting un-id'd gold purchasers."
"Hah, it's their own fault for buying un-ID'd items. Brb, gotta go remove all the parts from an un-ID'd so I can sell it to unsuspecting un-id'd gold purchasers."
Oh a GW forum
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Originally Posted by Kyosuke
Yeah, you would be a scammer then if you test it then just go ahead and sell it b/c you don't like the results.. GTFO of here seriously...
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Most people buy them for wisdom title, and me testing them doesn't effect that at all. So why don't you go throw a hissy fit somewhere else?
Eviance
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I'm not sure about salvaging then allowing you to identify, but this much I know. An example...I can identify a gold armor, find it has a rune or insignia, (or both), on it. Salvage that off and it then, once again is a Gold Dwarven Armor (or whatever). Then, if I try to ID, I get the "This item has already been identified," which effectively means no point. Now, were I to salvage first, I still doubt I would be able to identify it, as there would be nothing on it to identify. So, imo, this is a major problem.
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However I am fairly certain that as far as weapons go they remain unIDed rares regardless of if the mods have been stripped so therefor they would still count towards the wisdom title. Those going for the wisdom title aren't in it for the gold and glory of a rare mod (even if the hope is slightly aspark) so as far as the weapons go buying up unIDeds is fine regardless of what the cads did to it before hand.
But do NOT buy UnIDed armors! As stated before they can just be plain IDed armors regardless of whether I find out that they are any count later or not if you salvage before ID, you have no way of knowing which was done first, the ID or the salvage and thusly you are cheating yourself -_-
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And you're all full of shit too. You can't friggen salvage mods from an unided item. I don't know who put that in your brain, but go try it and you'll see. Just don't buy gold armors for a while until anet fixes it.
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PS learn to use the EDIT button while you are at it.
xuemin
you can salvage mods from unIDed items, i've done it a few times when accidently clicking my salvage kit instead of ID
Eviance
xuemin for a while the bug allowed you to SEE what you were salvaging off before IDing it. That is the difference between then and now and this gave people a HUGE advantage.
Kais Unduli
People are buying unids for a measly 1k to progress on their title, so they shouldn't expect them to have great mods on them anyway. I know I didn't expect anything great the few times I've picked up gold unids for my titles, and was shocked when I found a few perfect health/energy mods.
FalconDance
(Before the title) I bought UnId golds because that was the only way I could - at the time - hope to get a decent weapon at a decent price. I hadn't gone far in Tyria and didn't expect a max, 15^50 but I did get a higher req energy +5 necro wand for 3K that I carried with two characters through the entire game!
Just before NF was released, I wanted to buy UnIds -- not necesarilly for the title (which I really couldn't care less about since it does not help my game) but to use. All I would ask the seller is if they had any that had whatever attribute I was looking for at the time. Many of them got very pissy about having to actually look to see as if it were a huge imposition to see if any of those wands/staves were Air.......I figured that if I were paying, that's the least they could do (I planned on buying several at a time hoping to get a good one).
Now, I'm finding rather nice inscriptions on absolute crap weapons an dloving that I can extract the wrapping/inscription without always destroying the weapon itself ('cause you know that 22g from the merchant might save me *rolls eyes*)
While many - maybe most - buy UnIds for the vanity title, many of us also do the unthinkable -- we buy for our own use. Personally, I don't give a rat's arse if the weapon is a perfect anything. I don't even care if it's absolute max since any of my girls can and will do lovely damage with a slightly off-max whatever-they-use (my ranger carries a 14-27 req 8 or 9 bow with +5 energy she got for 1K - no one wanted to buy it even tho it was Ided because it was "not perfect".)
The OP was trying to pass on info on potentially nasty surprises to the rest of us. Instead of jumping down the OP's throat, how about everyone reign back and check their mercenary little egos at the door.
Just before NF was released, I wanted to buy UnIds -- not necesarilly for the title (which I really couldn't care less about since it does not help my game) but to use. All I would ask the seller is if they had any that had whatever attribute I was looking for at the time. Many of them got very pissy about having to actually look to see as if it were a huge imposition to see if any of those wands/staves were Air.......I figured that if I were paying, that's the least they could do (I planned on buying several at a time hoping to get a good one).
Now, I'm finding rather nice inscriptions on absolute crap weapons an dloving that I can extract the wrapping/inscription without always destroying the weapon itself ('cause you know that 22g from the merchant might save me *rolls eyes*)
While many - maybe most - buy UnIds for the vanity title, many of us also do the unthinkable -- we buy for our own use. Personally, I don't give a rat's arse if the weapon is a perfect anything. I don't even care if it's absolute max since any of my girls can and will do lovely damage with a slightly off-max whatever-they-use (my ranger carries a 14-27 req 8 or 9 bow with +5 energy she got for 1K - no one wanted to buy it even tho it was Ided because it was "not perfect".)
The OP was trying to pass on info on potentially nasty surprises to the rest of us. Instead of jumping down the OP's throat, how about everyone reign back and check their mercenary little egos at the door.
Oh a GW forum
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Oh go DIASD and learn to read! This was a bug that lasted for SEVERAL hours giving many people plenty of time to salvage off a ton of mods before the bug was fixed - it WAS possible and I did it myself to check what was on an item. If you cannot be bothered to read before trolling then go away! At least be an intellegent troll and know what the hell you are talking about before you go being a jerk.
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I already knew about that bug, and it's been fixed for days. Why the hell are you going on about it? The fact of the matter is, if you want to make money DONT FUKING BUY UNIDED GOLDS! They majority of players buying them are looking for wisdom titles, and testing an item doesn't friggen hurt them in the least.
And you sit here telling me to learn to read, and I get called a scammer because I test unided golds, yet I'm the one trolling? Right... this whole thread is nothing but flame bait anyways, and little whiners like you crying because they expect to get 20/20 every time they buy gold unideds is the real problem, not the sellers.
Eviance
Falcon: It's not about vanity anymore dear. The title helps with your salvage rate I believe. Some titles you get now actually DO something for you, give you extra skills, up your rate of salvage success and so forth. Don't discount the vanity title XD
You said it was not possible and that people were full of shit! That sir is trolling. "I" never called you a scammer for testing your weapons, I test mine on occassion but I typically never sell unIDed anyways!
I do NOT buy gold UnIDed weapons and AGAIN had you bothered to FRIGGEN READ you would KNOW MY STAND POINT ON BUYING THEM SO YES YOU ARE TROLLING! And making yourself out to be quite an ass atm...
Shall we continue this? You came in name calling... Care to backread and see exactly "where" the flamebait started? *sighs*
Guys when will I learn to stop feeding the trolls XD
(btw I usually dont do caps to be "yelling" but to stress a point because I hate italics)
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My god... a bug that lasted several hours and was patches almost a week ago... Yup, the econonomy is going to collapse.
I already knew about that bug, and it's been fixed for days. Why the hell are you going on about it? The fact of the matter is, if you want to make money DONT FUKING BUY UNIDED GOLDS! They majority of players buying them are looking for wisdom titles, and testing an item doesn't friggen hurt them in the least. And you sit here telling me to learn to read, and I get called a scammer because I test unided golds, yet I'm the one trolling? Right... this whole thread is nothing but flame bait anyways, and little whiners like you crying because they expect to get 20/20 every time they buy gold unideds is the real problem, not the sellers. |
I do NOT buy gold UnIDed weapons and AGAIN had you bothered to FRIGGEN READ you would KNOW MY STAND POINT ON BUYING THEM SO YES YOU ARE TROLLING! And making yourself out to be quite an ass atm...
Shall we continue this? You came in name calling... Care to backread and see exactly "where" the flamebait started? *sighs*
Guys when will I learn to stop feeding the trolls XD
(btw I usually dont do caps to be "yelling" but to stress a point because I hate italics)
Lepton CFd
Most people (I hope) buy unids for the Wisdom title. I don't event expect these unids to be max--I just want to identify the gold item. As someone said above, if you're buying unids for the Wisdom title and still expect to be getting valuable mods for 1k a pop, then you are just naive. It's not scamming, since you are perfectly aware of what you are buying. If they advertise something like, "Try your luck to get a 20/20AP +30hp sword mod!" then it is a scam/false advertising. I don't see why people would actually try to get mods that way, since the chances are so slim, but whatever.
Oh a GW forum
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You said it was not possible and that people were full of shit! That sir is trolling. "I" never called you a scammer for testing your weapons, I test mine on occassion but I typically never sell unIDed anyways!
I do NOT buy gold UnIDed weapons and AGAIN had you bothered to FRIGGEN READ you would KNOW MY STAND POINT ON BUYING THEM SO YES YOU ARE TROLLING! And making yourself out to be quite an ass atm... Shall we continue this? You came in name calling... Care to backread and see exactly "where" the flamebait started? *sighs* Guys when will I learn to stop feeding the trolls XD (btw I usually dont do caps to be "yelling" but to stress a point because I hate italics) |
And do you expect me to read the crap you say WHEN you TYPE JUST like THIS and RANDOMLY emphasize WORDS?
Honestly, you're the troll here.
Kyosuke
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Lmao... wow. So you honestly expect people to sell unided 1k ea, and not test them? Sorry buddy, but I'm not going to potentially throw way 50k just so you can stop crying because you tried to make a profit from unideds and found out most are junk.
Most people buy them for wisdom title, and me testing them doesn't effect that at all. So why don't you go throw a hissy fit somewhere else? |
You have to also remember those people you see selling req. 8/9 items in towns (lots of em) for anywhere from 10k - 70k depending on the skin and people buy those things still. So yeah, if those peope test them first, they're scamming and there's alot of people who sell like that.
Even myself I got a req. 8 Zodiac sword a bit after factions came out and didn't ID it, sold it for 100k.. b/c it was the "in skin" at that moment. I didn't test it, attempt to, etc... - The guy who I sold it to got a 15 -5 with +30 HP.. but yeah..
My point is, even this 1k each thing, not everyone is buying for the wisdom track.. so testing it... is wrong.
FalconDance
Agreed, Lepton and others, to a point.
I remember when people would sell UnIded gold runes (armor) for 50K+ ..... and it would never be the Sup Vigor they advertised as "try your luck" for. A lot of people were taken by the hype, though.
I remember when people would sell UnIded gold runes (armor) for 50K+ ..... and it would never be the Sup Vigor they advertised as "try your luck" for. A lot of people were taken by the hype, though.
Cottage Pie
I fully expect the unids i buy to have been tested, and at 1k per (750 really as most sell to trader for 250+) it doesn't bother me. I normally break even though. People selling unids weps for like 10k makes me laugh though.
makosi
Testing golds isn't against the rules or immoral.
1) Test item
2) Decipher whether it is worth identifying.
3) If yes: ID then salvage, or sell.
4) If no: sell for cheap in Kaineng for someone who wants the wisdom title.
Almost everyone knows that items can be tested so if you pay a fortune for one that turns out to be rubbish then don't be surprised. Nobody is obliged to buy them.
1) Test item
2) Decipher whether it is worth identifying.
3) If yes: ID then salvage, or sell.
4) If no: sell for cheap in Kaineng for someone who wants the wisdom title.
Almost everyone knows that items can be tested so if you pay a fortune for one that turns out to be rubbish then don't be surprised. Nobody is obliged to buy them.
Linksys
I sometimes buy 1k unid's for the wisdom title. Sometimes I get some good mods off weapons like vamp strings and perfect staff health mods. That's an advantage to doing that.
Oh a GW forum
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You have to also remember those people you see selling req. 8/9 items in towns (lots of em) for anywhere from 10k - 70k depending on the skin and people buy those things still. So yeah, if those peope test them first, they're scamming and there's alot of people who sell like that.
Even myself I got a req. 8 Zodiac sword a bit after factions came out and didn't ID it, sold it for 100k.. b/c it was the "in skin" at that moment. I didn't test it, attempt to, etc... - The guy who I sold it to got a 15 -5 with +30 HP.. but yeah.. My point is, even this 1k each thing, not everyone is buying for the wisdom track.. so testing it... is wrong. |
Kyosuke
So you're saying it's wrong for people to pay 40k for an unid req. 9 and for them to expect something good possibly? That's messed up. It's nice to know that there aren't that many honest people out there..... Well, I knew that, but still it's very dishonest to seel somethng after testing it like that. So I'm not wrong, I'm right and you're being stubborn on the fact of right from wrong. Actually take a look to think about it morally and fairly and not from a criminals point of view.
FalconDance
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So you're saying it's wrong for people to pay 40k for an unid req. 9 and for them to expect something good possibly? That's messed up. It's nice to know that there aren't that many honest people out there..... Well, I knew that, but still it's very dishonest to seel somethng after testing it like that. So I'm not wrong, I'm right and you're being stubborn on the fact of right from wrong. Actually take a look to think about it morally and fairly and not from a criminals point of view.
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If a person pays 1K for an UnId, they cannot reasonably expect an uber weapon.
If, on the other hand, they pay 40K for an UnId thinking that the seller has "tested" it and it must be something good - only to find that it has already been salvaged in some manner (i.e. the inscrition gone) or that it is far less-than-ideal, then they have been scammed and that is wrong.
In the first, you can get lucky. In the second, your trust level will either pay off or it will be severely compromised, depending on the seller's honesty.
Eviance
So basically your blanket statement of we are "all" full of shit should just be excused because your anger was misdirrected? o_O;;; Niiiiiiiice... >_>
(Incedentally the thread started about people selling UNIded golds in which they had already removed the mods from.... Not about whether you are a scammer or not... I'm not so far off then am I? If you want to be mad at one person for calling you a scammer then so be it, but blanket statements are just begging for a torch - gotta match?)
Kyosuke I agree on those that are selling for more than 3k a pop on an unIDed that they should not be tested, but there is no way to prove this and unfortunately people are easily taken in by it.
Then again there are a few people who don't test their items or at least not to the fullest and sell them for uber cheap and you end up with something that is worth a damn but it really is rare to find those people.
The only mod I check for is a health mod unless its a VERY rare skin, which I don't happen upon to often so its a moot point.
(Incedentally the thread started about people selling UNIded golds in which they had already removed the mods from.... Not about whether you are a scammer or not... I'm not so far off then am I? If you want to be mad at one person for calling you a scammer then so be it, but blanket statements are just begging for a torch - gotta match?)
Kyosuke I agree on those that are selling for more than 3k a pop on an unIDed that they should not be tested, but there is no way to prove this and unfortunately people are easily taken in by it.
Then again there are a few people who don't test their items or at least not to the fullest and sell them for uber cheap and you end up with something that is worth a damn but it really is rare to find those people.
The only mod I check for is a health mod unless its a VERY rare skin, which I don't happen upon to often so its a moot point.
Oh a GW forum
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I think it's rather like this:
If a person pays 1K for an UnId, they cannot reasonably expect an uber weapon. If, on the other hand, they pay 40K for an UnId thinking that the seller has "tested" it and it must be something good - only to find that it has already been salvaged in some manner (i.e. the inscrition gone) or that it is far less-than-ideal, then they have been scammed and that is wrong. In the first, you can get lucky. In the second, your trust level will either pay off or it will be severely compromised, depending on the seller's honesty. |
Further, as I have said, you CANT CANT CANT salvage things from an unided. That was only a very briefe bug that was quickly patched... and even so, they could already test for those mods ANYWAYS, so it's really not such a big deal as you are making it out to be. Either way, the person who paid 40k for an unided is going to end up with crap 80% of the time. My advice to them? Don't buy unideds, not from me or anyone else. Of course, if I have someone interested in buying an unided for 10-20% a req 8 15>50 value... I'm sure as hell not going to stop them.
Complexx
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If they think I tested it and know I'm selling it unided, shouldn't it be obvious it's gonna be crap? If I tested it and it was good, I would just id it... how would fooling people into thinking I tested it make them want to buy?
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AlterN8
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Um you're buying unideds... if they end up having no mods that's your own fault for buying unideds. Do you expect them all to have 20/20 and +30 mods or something? I test all my unided before I sell anyways, I guess I'm a scammer because I don't want to sell golds with valuable stats for 1k?
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Shame on you. People like you give us all a bad name.
Eviance
scam /skæm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[skam] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, scammed, scamming.
–noun 1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.
–verb (used with object) 2. to cheat or defraud with a scam.
scam (skm) Pronunciation Key Slan.
n.
A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams
To defraud; swindle.
scammer
n : a person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud [syn: swindler, chiseller, chiseler, gouger, grifter, sharper, sharpie, sharpy]
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The fact remains that if you can and do test an item that you know to have great mods you CAN indeed try to salvage those mods off BEFORE you ID.
The BUG that was referred to before only made testing pointless because the popup would show what the mods were making it VERY easy to tell.
Now the current message that you are oh so adamently fighting (and I did a chest run for this god help me -_-)
meaning that INDEED you can if you have tested and know what the mod is "attempt" to salvage the mod off without IDing - it doesn't tell you no you can't it just gives a general warning so you know you are aware that it could hold value if you ID it or it could still be crap!
In the end I do not agree that selling an unIDed gold for 500g-3k for the WISDOM title, be it a stripped item or not should be concidered a scam. However trying to pass something off as more high end than it is because you have mutilated it and swindling 40k out of a person is indeed scamming. Checking the mods is one thing, stripping them is another.
As far as the wisdom title goes it shouldn't matter either way so long as you are gaining your points.
And for the record when it comes to colored armors I always get that message before I salvage and I always salvage anyways and have never failed to get the rune out. While the probability is not the same for salvaging weapons it is not impossible to pull off the mods you know to be there, however it does seem underhanded in some cases.
–noun 1. a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.
–verb (used with object) 2. to cheat or defraud with a scam.
scam (skm) Pronunciation Key Slan.
n.
A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.
tr.v. scammed, scam·ming, scams
To defraud; swindle.
scammer
n : a person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud [syn: swindler, chiseller, chiseler, gouger, grifter, sharper, sharpie, sharpy]
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The fact remains that if you can and do test an item that you know to have great mods you CAN indeed try to salvage those mods off BEFORE you ID.
The BUG that was referred to before only made testing pointless because the popup would show what the mods were making it VERY easy to tell.
Now the current message that you are oh so adamently fighting (and I did a chest run for this god help me -_-)
meaning that INDEED you can if you have tested and know what the mod is "attempt" to salvage the mod off without IDing - it doesn't tell you no you can't it just gives a general warning so you know you are aware that it could hold value if you ID it or it could still be crap!
In the end I do not agree that selling an unIDed gold for 500g-3k for the WISDOM title, be it a stripped item or not should be concidered a scam. However trying to pass something off as more high end than it is because you have mutilated it and swindling 40k out of a person is indeed scamming. Checking the mods is one thing, stripping them is another.
As far as the wisdom title goes it shouldn't matter either way so long as you are gaining your points.
And for the record when it comes to colored armors I always get that message before I salvage and I always salvage anyways and have never failed to get the rune out. While the probability is not the same for salvaging weapons it is not impossible to pull off the mods you know to be there, however it does seem underhanded in some cases.
Malice Black
Selling Unid use to be good business (well before testing became common knowledge) could get 100k for a gold unid req8 chaos axe..
Selling tested Unid's use to be frowned at but now its just common place and largly accepted.
Selling tested Unid's use to be frowned at but now its just common place and largly accepted.
Sir Skullcrasher
If i were the game developer to stop this madness, i would remove Gold Unid and make everything collector weapons!
I agree selling unid stuffs is good business (like a unid Gold Chaos Axe or Sephis or whatever). But the point is that this patch allowed peoples to extract the mods than sell it knowning that it has no good mod left in it. I have to agree, wouldn't you kick yourself if you didn't test out this gold longsword and it turns out to have a +30 health grip or 20/20 sundering inside it?
I agree selling unid stuffs is good business (like a unid Gold Chaos Axe or Sephis or whatever). But the point is that this patch allowed peoples to extract the mods than sell it knowning that it has no good mod left in it. I have to agree, wouldn't you kick yourself if you didn't test out this gold longsword and it turns out to have a +30 health grip or 20/20 sundering inside it?
Lets Get to Healing
I got a 20/20 sundering bow string and a Mark +1 20% from some unid's i bought . .
guess i was ripped.
guess i was ripped.
Malice Black
Not everyone checks before they sell.
byteme!
If I'm gonna be selling off UNid items to some stranger for "1k" I damn well better check for good mods. It makes absolutely no sense to me why I should be selling off a potential +30 or 20/20 mod for 1k. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Besides what one does with their UNid is no ones business. The way I see it I own the UNid I have in my possession therefore I do as I choose with it. No one has any right to tell me how I should play my game. Also I would be scammed if people knowingly pay 1k in hopes of getting an UBER mod. For the people only going for the wisdom title I can relate to them but anyone dreaming of getting perfect mods for 1k need to find another sucker because I ain't one.
Sir Skullcrasher
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Not everyone checks before they sell.
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byteme!
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I got a 20/20 sundering bow string and a Mark +1 20% from some unid's i bought . .
guess i was ripped. |