How was Shiro's death globally tramatic enough to cause the Jade Wind?
What if...
This question has lingered in my mind for a while and leads me to believe that Shiro may not have ever been completely human. It's not every day that someone dies and landscape tranforming gusts sweep across a continent. So what made Shiro's death any different? The explanation I'm floating around now questions whether or not Shiro was even still human at the time of his death. Opinions? Insights? Discuss!
shrouded^god
Im guessing there was something connected to the lifeforce of his 'human' form. Dunno though, I wondered the same thing for a while...and thats what I came up with
Sophitia Leafblade
I think it came from something to do with ingesting the energy from the Emperor (who’s linage seems to have great magic power as u can tell by shiro wanting to use it to return) mixed with Shiros evil rage
Amity and Truth
This is - somewhat- cleared up in the later Nightfall Storyline and Sidequestline. There are a lot of quests dealing with the how's and why's of the previous two chapters.
Explaining it would include a LOT of spoilers about the Nightfall Storyline though. If you complete Nightfall and do a few of the later sidequests, that question will partly answer itself.
Explaining it would include a LOT of spoilers about the Nightfall Storyline though. If you complete Nightfall and do a few of the later sidequests, that question will partly answer itself.
Giga Strike
the human body is all that controls how much energy you can store or use at one time. since his body was already torn up and was going to die anyway he was able to unleash all the energy stored in his body at once. the fact that the jade wind was so large was becasue shiro is just that powerful.
AnkurP992
hmm.. in the Factions trailer it shows the emporer bowing to shiro and shiro beheading the emporer then the empoers "energy wave things" merge with shiro and cuases him to have alota power his death released the energy making the sea into jade and the enlalved forest into stone. (i didnt like factions very much >_>)
Giga Strike
not sure if the energy waves actually "powered-up" shiro.
thezed
I have not yet completed Nightfall but I would guess that power came from Abbadon.
KoalaMeatPie
Like The Lich, A lot of his power was channelled by Abbadon.
PanGammon
Gwen empored Abaddon who empowered Shiro. When Shiro dyed, his burp was so mighty it caused the Jade Wind. Don't mess with Gwen.................
Trakata
**Nightfall Spoilers (kind of)**
My speculation is that Shiro was influenced by Abaddon's madness, and granted some extension of Abaddon's power. This energy exiting the body, coupled with Shiro's intense emotions and the *speculated* power granted by the Emperor's death, could have been powerful enough to shape the landscape.
My speculation is that Shiro was influenced by Abaddon's madness, and granted some extension of Abaddon's power. This energy exiting the body, coupled with Shiro's intense emotions and the *speculated* power granted by the Emperor's death, could have been powerful enough to shape the landscape.
TechnoSword
I always kinda thought that The vizihers reading of the scroll blowing up all of orr and making undead was kinda the equivilant of shiros power mixed with the curse of the imperial blood line in which it was kinda like an explosion by changing everything and turning wardens against the kurzicks and stuff.
Guildmaster Cain
wow... theres some freaky resemblance I didnt think about yet.... Jade Wind = Destruction of Orr...
One made innocent citizens into evil undead slaves and the other made wardens and forestdwellers mad.
Still I dont understand why Shiro became an Envoy
One made innocent citizens into evil undead slaves and the other made wardens and forestdwellers mad.
Still I dont understand why Shiro became an Envoy
thezed
How many Envoys are there? If I counted correctly there are 5, 6 with Shiro. Just as there are 5 gods, 6 with Abaddon. Perhaps each god has their own Envoy and Shiro was Abaddon's.
Of course this is all riding on if I counted the Envoys correctly, and I dont know if I did....
Of course this is all riding on if I counted the Envoys correctly, and I dont know if I did....
Trakata
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How many Envoys are there? If I counted correctly there are 5, 6 with Shiro. Just as there are 5 gods, 6 with Abaddon. Perhaps each god has their own Envoy and Shiro was Abaddon's.
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thezed
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While I agree with the Envoy for each God, Abaddon was exiled and by all logic, shouldn't he not get anything like that? Maybe when powerful people die, they linger on as Envoys and we just saw the main 5, the "leaders"?
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Though your "powerful people" theory is just as likely.
Lirael Abhorsen
i think the deal with the envoys has to do the with the importance the being had on the world. if a person was powerful enough they would become the envoy of the god they worshipped. shiro was an acolyte of abaddon wasnt he? hence he became an envoy. if you read the manuscripts it talks of how the other envoys became envoys as well. if the individual was not as powerful as one of the pre-existing envoys, but still of great importance, they just earned place in the temple of tahnakai. such as vizu and the other people of importance there....just a theory.
bsumlin
Don't forget, Cantha has a "long history of Ascended emperors." "Ascended": being in a state of communion with the gods. Shiro, influenced by Abbadon, sought to gain access to that link and take Abbadon's fight straight to the gods. Shiro's death wail not only carried forth the energy he had recieved by Abbadon, but also the energy possessed by the slain emperor.
Here's a simpler explanation: no Jade Wind, no Factions storyline. Deus ex Machina.
Here's a simpler explanation: no Jade Wind, no Factions storyline. Deus ex Machina.
Guildmaster Cain
Probably the Kurzicks and the Luxons would not have been fighting if there was no Jade Wind. But Shiro could still have returned after 200 years, only to find the Kurzicks and Luxons siding to defeat him again. Could have been a storyline, just different and the "Factions"-name wouldnt make sense.
Eilsys
One thing that's been bothering me is... why would Shiro go through all that trouble to regain a form that is kill-able? O_o
-Old 3FL-
To get all his power back?
Sir Zeero
******SPOILER******
According to the quest "Bad Fortune," the Fortune Teller in factions was actually a demon created by Abaddon to confront Shiro and envoke the darkness within him. Once Shiro was open to the darkness, Abaddon was free to influence him however he wanted, giving him the power to create the Jade Wind.
According to the quest "Bad Fortune," the Fortune Teller in factions was actually a demon created by Abaddon to confront Shiro and envoke the darkness within him. Once Shiro was open to the darkness, Abaddon was free to influence him however he wanted, giving him the power to create the Jade Wind.
Eilsys
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To get all his power back?
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Why switch back?
thezed
The desire for life. There are a lot of stories, fictional and supposedly true stories, about the dead seeking a return to life. For a spirt adrift life is an anchor.
Or, maybe he was simply ordered/influenced to do so by Abaddon.
Or, maybe he was simply ordered/influenced to do so by Abaddon.
Rathcail
Well he did seem rather happy to be alive again, what I could gather from the bad voice acting at least.
Jetdoc
Have you ever eaten a bunch of fried chinese food?
The gas that you can build up (and release upon death) can be quite catastrophic...
The gas that you can build up (and release upon death) can be quite catastrophic...
ghostkai
perhaps abaddon wanted shiro to be living so he could "rule" Cantha, just as the lich was to "rule" Tyria. then all the hard works done before the big A even arrives
draxynnic
It also seemed to me that he could only insta-kill like that before characters became Weh No Su*. As well as being able to see spiritual entities, it provides some measure of protection - otherwise, why wouldn't he do it in Sunjiang as well?
*Apart from using Meditation of the Reaper, that is... which is probably the best way to explain the insta-killing as the spirit. Since no-one can see him to break the meditation, it WILL do maximum damage...
*Apart from using Meditation of the Reaper, that is... which is probably the best way to explain the insta-killing as the spirit. Since no-one can see him to break the meditation, it WILL do maximum damage...
OlMurraniKasale
Humm, the timeline a few people are mentioning seems to be a little out of whack.
In Shiro's real mortal life, he was simply a man who had great talent and became the Emperor's trusted bodyguard. He got mind-frelled though by the fortune-teller and his own fears. He thought the Emperor was going to kill him, so he decided to make kill the Emperor first.
Of course, the fortune teller was right. The Emperor did kill Shiro (through his vassals). How or why Shiro's death cry caused the Jade Wind, I don't know. I've been through all campaigns and really I don't see how his death could be so powerful. I may have just missed it.
He became an Envoy, but was corrupted by what Abbadon had planned. He came back to soe discontent and disease in Cantha. Being defeated, he got pushed into the Realm of Torment - which seems odd. Were the rest of the Envoys really that clueless? Let's give Shiro back to Abaddon! Yeah, yeah, good idea.
In Shiro's real mortal life, he was simply a man who had great talent and became the Emperor's trusted bodyguard. He got mind-frelled though by the fortune-teller and his own fears. He thought the Emperor was going to kill him, so he decided to make kill the Emperor first.
Of course, the fortune teller was right. The Emperor did kill Shiro (through his vassals). How or why Shiro's death cry caused the Jade Wind, I don't know. I've been through all campaigns and really I don't see how his death could be so powerful. I may have just missed it.
He became an Envoy, but was corrupted by what Abbadon had planned. He came back to soe discontent and disease in Cantha. Being defeated, he got pushed into the Realm of Torment - which seems odd. Were the rest of the Envoys really that clueless? Let's give Shiro back to Abaddon! Yeah, yeah, good idea.
draxynnic
I think the Envoys knew exactly where they were sending him. However, they didn't know the prison was flawed - and when you have a prison that a god can't break out of, why shouldn't you send the spirits of your other, less powerful but equally reprehensible troublemakers there as well?
I Write Sins
yeah ummm...speaking of Gwen there pangammon....how about that torn cape north of ....that one prophecies mission...out on the beach...sanctum cay ...kinda resembles the cape i bought gwen...wasted 100g on that thing and she rips it.....wtf was she thinking!
more on this topic...seeing as Shiro Diced the emporers head off...why is the empororer [with his head attached] dancing at the end of factions? ....
more on this topic...seeing as Shiro Diced the emporers head off...why is the empororer [with his head attached] dancing at the end of factions? ....
Son of Urza
The one that got beheaded was the OLD emperor. The one that dances is the new one. To get back, Shiro had to kill one of the royal bloodline, but he topped Master Togo, not Emperor Kisu.
Apok Omen
No. You see, the REAL reason why Shiro let out the Jade Wind was because he was a Whammo. Whammo's are invincible, yet he was killed!! And so, because his awesomeness as a Whammo was too big to handle, his death let out all of that energy, creating the Jade Wind.
TechnoSword
The storyline kinda reminded me of half life and how like the lich and shiro were generals to open a path up for abaddon kinda like how in half life the alien whatsits made way for the ape like dudes who took over the world.
Mark Nevermiss
How come Shiro who is level 31 is a minion of Abaddon who is level 30?