Why i believe armor insignias are retarded.

Foreward: YES i did use the search feature and did find a few posts about insignias, HOWEVER none of them seemed to be along this line. ALSO, i want to say i love GW. I'm not looking for flamers I simply believe something needs to be done.



OK, as it is now, to buy a complete set of nightfall max armor with +energy on every piece, it would cost you roughly 4k in gold alone per piece. That isnt taking mats OR runes into the picture. A-Net once said that every person playing GW should have around 100k max. Yet, doing the math, you will see that to buy a full set would take around 30k. that STILL doesnt include runes... Besides that point, as many people have stated in other threads, to have to wait around to buy a set of armor is ABSOLUTELY rediculous. To play the game to my fullest ability, i shouldnt have to wait around forever. What would people say if you could only buy 1 skill a day. Try to buy hard-to-find insignias, you may only be able to find 1 a day. Allthough i think GW as a whole is an amazing game, this idea is completely assanine. something as basic at armor should not be difficult to come by. If GW is supposed to be based on skill and not time, then why have to spend tons of time waiting around to buy armor??

Because i hate people who simply bitch and dont give suggestions, as well as due to the fact that this IS the suggestion forum, I have a few ideas on how this could be changed.(if you dont give a damn about my ideas, simply go down and reply to the first paragraph.)

1)Make a merchant-like trader that carries the insignias. By merchant like i mean make them all have a set price. personally I think 500 gold per piece(added to the 1k for the armor would make the price equal to the old armor) and give them an unlimited supply. And to reply to some dude that said that it would be difficult to add a trader to every town... give the armor trade a second tab... not that difficult.

2)Put the damn thing back the way it was in factions. Why fix something that wasnt even CLOSE to broken. I've heard they changed it to make the armor trader less crowded... well now the rune trader is WAAAY more crowded...

So thats my complaint and theres my suggestions. plz tell me what you think and show your support if you aggree. i TRULY want this changed and will do whatever neccesary to have that done.

In my opinion, armour insignias were only worth it if they were compatible with Tyrian/Factions armours.

I was looking forward to changing my 15k Wanderers to have +10 AL vs Physical
You're right though, if they wern't going to work with previous armours, they may as well have used the 'Factions Armour system'.

If they were retarded I wouldn't have been able to hench Consulate Docks with L18 Heroes and some henchies becuase I wouldn't have +10 armour (in a Stance) on all my pieces

devilru, thanks for the reply, i see your point. being able to change armor stats without buying all new armor is good, but i would like it SOO much more if we could simply buy armor normally and THEN could pay extra later to change it would be awesome.

Pointless, your response was...well... pointless. ive 4 manned consulate docks with non-max armor and my 3 lvl 18 heroes...

Factions had it down perfectly. Insignias are just stupid.

tru dat series, tru dat

Unless I'm missing something.. Max armor is 1K+materials as opposed to 1.5K+materials. Insignias are about 250 each, netting a savings of ~250 gold per piece...

I beat consulate docks at lvl 12 with my lvl 12 heroes while maintaining my survivor... yes it was a god given miracle I realize this but its true!

I really agree with this, none of my heroes and like 1 of my characters armor pieces has insignia. They need to hella update the drop rate of insignias like every salvage item has an insignia in it not just magical ones.

At the moment, Radiant Insignia cost more than 3,000 gold per piece.

Follow the following link for a suggested fix for this issue.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10071643

Wow lol, I payed about 300 each for a set of 5 for my monk grabbing them one at a time over the course of about 15 minutes.. There are some in stock now and the price skyrocketed..

HD:LS. Prices will drop once Nightfall settles in.

Radiant is 3K? Just yesterday, it was around 250-300g.

The prices will eventually go down. Once everyone gets their heroes all set up they wont need to keep buying so many runes/insignias.

Let's be honest with ourselves for a minute. The same reason that your thread is made now is the same reason others have made their threads.

They don't like that they can't get the stuff fast.

It has always been like this. New stuff comes out, old stuff looks...well,old!
Then, everyone tries to get new stuff.

I do agree that the lack of the Tyrian/Canthan armor upgrade is bad, and maybe the Canthan system was less troublesome to get your armor through.

However, the use of insignias in general, is a stroke of genius, even though it isn't implemented as well as it could have been.

Once Tyrian/Canthan armor can be augmented, things will definitely get better for all involved. too bad, that may not happen for some time.

Well it looks like Anet seeded insignias into the market, 30k poorer but I have my Radiant Insignias

Hardly. I was playing D/Me and even with max, non-insignia'd armour, I was getting flattened.

If Insignias weren't introduced, would I have been able to get that bonus by default on Dervish armour?

wow i hope to GOD youre not planning on being/are a psychiatrist... I would be pissed off if they changed to this system three months from now... its not that the armor is new, its that getting armor should be basic and easy (to an extent). If it would be any cheaper, i would take my char to droks in tyria and get armor there. (lol im not even sure you can come to think of it, ive never tried...) i dont care if i have to go around wearing a togo and pampers, i want to be able to get armor with the stats i want, for LESS than 40k. obviously, some armor is supposed to be expensive(read:15k armor) HOWEVER, how is someone that is just now starting the game(not me thank god) going to be able to afford +energy armor??? did any of you randomly have 30k when you started GW cause if you did... well lets just say sadly i missed that glitch...

I do find the current prices and availablity annoying, [b]BUT[/i]...

When Factions went live, Assassin and Ritualist runes were out of stock or stupidly priced. Eventually availabilty has increased and prices have become reasonable as the foolish and the frustrated sell to Trader. The same will happen to Insignias. I don't think it will... I KNOW it will...

I agree with the OP on the first point: there needs to be an insignia/insciption merchant and not just traders.

For me, unless it's for my derv or para, comparable NF armor doesn't justify the added costs. If they revauled the armor to be 1k and then added a trader that sells these things at a fixed cost, then this would be good. As it is, getting the same armor costs you more.

What? Radiant Insignia is up to 3k per rune at the trader. F that.

i bought my raidants at 240g each

I dislike the insignia system as it is now. Armor bonuses used to come included with armor; now the bonuses are separate. Good idea. But why are the insignias now subject to supply and demand, and why should they drop from monsters only? Are the armor crafters in Elona inferior to those from Cantha and Tyria??? I said that as a half-joke, but it's true. Tyrian & Canthan armor crafters can make armor bonuses (albeit permanently attached to the armor), but Elonian ones can't. Insignias should have just been sold by the armor crafters in the first place at fixed prices.

They went from low price and low stock to high priced and well stocked sometime during the day yesterday.

i would REALLY like for a dev or gaille or someone to go on some forum and talk about why they changed this... if they already have, then i appologize and could someone give me a link. to change something that was never really broken to a system that to me (and it seems, others) is pretty stupid(no offense devs) without giving us any explanation... this definately wont stop my GW playing by ANY means, but it is kind of dissapointing... the whole new armor system just SEEMS to me to not be so well and thorougly(sorry bout the spelling) thought out.

The advantage of insignias would be if you happen to get a really good one early on, and then apply it to your armor, you could then transfer the bonus to your new armor set later, and save money. however, I agree with the quoted post in that its implementation is flawed. armor bonuses shouldnt be subject to supply and demand the way that armor runes are, it makes armor acquisition for the casual player irritating, and armor acquisition even for the hardcore player a lot more expensive and irritating that it needs to be or than it was in factions. It was a good idea, but for the savings from insignias to be worth it they need to keep the prices fixed as well as lessen the price of armor further (lowering it by 500g when the bonuses will cost you more?). Factions obviously had the better system, but now that the insignia system is here (and not going anywhere anytime soon) Anet should make it more user friendly. Getting armor that has certain bonuses shouldnt cost you more because you use a build that requires a certain armor bonus that happens to be popular and thus in high demand just because you have NF and your armor comes without bonuses.
/endrant

So let me get this straight.. the ENTIRE point of this thread.. is that a single type of insignia costs too much.

wow for getting this straight, you got the whole damn point of the thread wrong. i simply used the radiant insignias as an example. the ENTIRE point of this thread is for your retarded ass to actually read the whole thing... so untill you do plz get the hell off my thread.

Thank-you

/signed on Insignia trader

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On a side note, i think that insignias and inscriptions seem more designed for the PVPer in mind. It speeds up creation of armor and weapon templates for quicker re-rolling.

You could also say it is a response to some of the ideas of more "customizable" weapons/armors threads on this forum.


But nonetheless.....Insignias and Inscriptions offer Anet a better option for future chapters. They could simply add more inscriptions and insignias that could be applied to older armor.

Wow... no need to insult other people in here for having a different interpretation... just tell them where they were wrong instead of just plain insulting them in their face >.>

Anyways... i have hardly used any insignias yet... don't need 'em either in PvE...
Completed it with 45 AL boots on my ele, and i went a very long way with 45 AL just altogether, actually. (then i 'upgraded' to 15k sunspear chestpiece, and i've just bought the shoes for it... still saving up for the 2 other pieces )

Insignias aren't that important imo... it won't make you 10x stronger if you have +7 energy in total... just wait 'till the prices drop. If you really, REALLY can't wait, just do some pvp, pvp chars get all the runes/insignias for free.

I would've liked the idea that just buying one piece would be enough for an entire armor set (limit it to 5 uses or something?), but then again... it's 'just' PvE; you don't feel the need to have perfect items, as it hardly affects your playing style etc.
And if you're planning on bringing a PvE character to the GvG scene, you SHOULD have known what you were getting yourself into. If this is the case, don't whine... it's your choice to bring that character to PvP anyways, and if prices for certain runes are high... that's the price you'll have to pay.

Note that I'm also talking about the price. Solely because it IS the major issue... you're complaining about having to buy multiple runes for one armor set? Why? THE PRICE.

If they'd be 100g each, you probably wouldn't have complained, since it'd make armor cheaper, actually. (compared to Tyrian/Factions 1.5k armor)

PS: Oh, and i agree on compatibility with Tyrian/Canthan armors... i REALLY want to get a hp mod instead on my monk, or an enchant mod. (It's Saintly 15k.); or for my mesmer, whose Virtuoso boots are just useless now (i'd prefer Enchanter's boots then)

...i believe you may have completely missed the point as well... as far as i know, people, like me, dont want the insignias just to HAVE them lol. we kinda wanna be able to use them for our PvE chars. making a PvP char does absolutely NOTHING to help us there... so your "help" is not very helpful.


no, im not a moron, i wouldnt complain, but i would kinda wonder why they made the armor cheaper. glad to see you can state the obvious.

Lyra thats an interesting thought. it will MORE THAN LIKELY make it a lot easier for people to, in the future, use new armor effects on their old armor instead of buying all new armor. allthough i must say that under the old rule, i could have bought 2 complete sets of armor with 2 different stats for the same price as one of certain new ones. AND theyd be permanent. If i use an insignia, it takes away my old one, so to switch back, id have to do it again... but it may become better later... i hope.

So? That is a valid point. I think it's fair of the community to be concerned over the rarity of what was previously an infinitely available item.

Look at it this way, Not A Fifty Five:

The most popular runes are always the most expensive. Unless something is done (drop rates tweaked), then Radiant Insignias or the Bloodstained Insignia will become the new Superior Absorbsion (or Superior Vigor now). And anyone can make the argument that you don't NEED that extra 6-7 energy, but everyone loves energy.

/not signed

I personally like the system that is in place. I made about 4 plat from one gold drop tonight selling to the rune trader. It makes it where an averager player can make an okay amount of money to buy some skills.

if your really looking to get +5 energy uncontionally there's always a totem ax.

/notsigned

no monk mystic I have read the entire post, I think you need anger management lol. The only far overpriced insignia (3k)is the radiant insignia, which is why I made that comment, everything else is very affordable. Quite simply certain benefits to armor will be rarer than others. Are you suggesting we lower the price of superior vigor runes from 27k to 1k as well? Runes are act exactly the same as insignias, except you can only have one of each type on an armor.

patience is a virtue.

i realise that as a society most people want instant gratification/results/cheap radiant insignias

im sure your tone will change [maybe for the worse maybe not] once prices for all the new insignias stabilize.

Insignias will drop in price at the trader after the supply of newly farmed insignias overcomes the demand for them when buying new armor. Be like me and just wait till the price goes down. And don't tell me it wont, because it will, just as how amber/jade prices have dropped from 4k to a measly 400g.

I think the game just needs a while to even out. The insignias after all are completely new - so loads of people will buy them. White dye is an example lol. First day of NF & It was 27k or something?

Patience. And personally, i think you're being a tad rude about the whole thing.

/notsigned

Not exactly signed, but I see what you're getting at. I think that the insignia system has merit, if one small thing were true: you could salvage the insignia 100% of the time without destroying your armor. When I first heard about the insignia system, I thought it would be a way of say... buying one set of your favorite armor skin, and then being able to change it to suit your current needs, without having to spend the 15k on it again. While we can sort of do this under the current insignia system, it would eventually become more expensive than simply making a full set of 15k armor for every functionality you want. If it's going to be left as it is, though, I agree that most insignia prices will settle down eventually, and as a one-time investment it's really not that much worse than buying a set of armor from the previous chapters.

/not signed

I think it's really cool that you can change the insignias on your armor without having to buy a new one. Insignias are also a new economy.

Patience is a virtue yes, but not perhaps a luxury. For people who want to play their PvE characters in PvP, they don't want to wait around for prices to stabilize. It's hard to make the claim that they should have to wait merely because Anet decided to create a new rune-esque upgrade without introducing overflow at the inception.