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breaking-benjamin

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jul 2006

04 Nov 2006 at 07:30 - 1

Hi ^^

If you take Acolyte Sousuke, and you want to regret it, you can take back Jin? or when you take one the chance of get the other hero ends?

Btw, in your opinion, which one is better? I think Sousuke is smarter, but I dunno which one is better... really.

Another question: if you take Master of Whispers over Magrid, you can complete the game? and if you take Magrid over Master of Whispers, do you can too? what is the difference?

Thanks.

Dreikki

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Kemi, Finland.

Pirates of the Searing [YoHo]

Mo/

04 Nov 2006 at 08:04 - 2

I belive someone has said that you can get quests where you can get rest of the heroes you didn't take after you finish the storyline.

The Prince

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

[CnIm]

04 Nov 2006 at 12:46 - 3

when you beat the game theres a long walk loaded with npcs a la factions, and fi you didnt get one (or both, as i didnt bother with either hero) you can simply talk to them and get the "gain___" quest. its posted in another thread but here it is for ya

unholy_VI

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

Children of the Abyss

04 Nov 2006 at 19:20 - 4

[QUOTE=breaking-benjamin]

If you take Acolyte Sousuke, and you want to regret it, you can take back Jin? or when you take one the chance of get the other hero ends?

Btw, in your opinion, which one is better? I think Sousuke is smarter, but I dunno which one is better... really.

[QUOTE]

which one to take depends on whether you want to run a ranger build or an ele build. Thats all. I took Jin and made her into a melandru's ranger and haven't regretted it. Sosuke smart? I guess if you say so. I use both sometimes in Hero battles and Sosuke doesn't seem very smart to me.

Saphatorael

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

04 Nov 2006 at 20:03 - 5

I regret picking Sousuke instead of Jin when i started my Elonian elementalist.
I didn't expect i'd have so many other nukers available, and no ranger heroes (didn't pick Margrid either, didn't notice she had a green exclamation mark above her head as well)...

It has made the game a bit harder for myself, since i totally forgot how powerful a ranger can be (think Broad Head Arrow)... but i'm at the Gate of Madness, still using the good ol' 3 nukers, 1 warrior, 4 monks or 4 nukers/4monks team setup...

I've already taken Jin for my assassin though, and i'll take Margrid as well (barrage, trapper, anti-caster, touchie...) when i get to it (haven't seen the other missions yet anyways, and i hardly use the Master of Whispers anymore)

MelechRic

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

RA

[ODIN]

N/Mo

05 Nov 2006 at 01:09 - 6

I took Jin when I went through with my ritualist. On my ranger I just picked Sousuke because I read about using him as an uber E/Me interrupter. I figure that with me on my ranger and Sousuke we can lock down any caster.

We'll see how it goes...

Veron

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Leather Rebels [LR]

05 Nov 2006 at 06:38 - 7

It's really all about preference. You don't get to change your mind, the pick is final. You're stuck with that pick until you beat the final mission, and then you'll be able to get the one you didn't pick.

I personally prefer Jin for the Broad Head Arrow interrupter.

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

05 Nov 2006 at 07:47 - 8

Yeah, love those AI interrupters.

I have an ele hero too now (the centaur) but he doesn't seem to be very clever at his skill usage or energy management. He uses Glyph of Renewal on a spell that recharges in 5 seconds. And every fight he gets himself down to less than 10 energy and exhaustion too.

The ranger on the other hand does consistent damage, never runs out of energy (love expertise

) and interrupts spell after spell with Savage Shot, while also dazing. I am a bit annoyed that she dazes absolutely everybody though, even warriors with no spells, or a Mandragor Slither that already dazed itself lol. That's the price you pay for not having a real person that can think.

She also dazes the Mandragor Imps which can be nasty (Plague Touch), but I found out shift+click will stop a hero from using a skill, so not such a problem now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelechRic

On my ranger I just picked Sousuke because I read about using him as an uber E/Me interrupter. Oh nice, I'll try that.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

05 Nov 2006 at 17:21 - 9

I took Jin. Expertise is AI friendly, as are plenty of ranger builds. Eles take a bit more caution and energy management which I can't be bothered to micro manage. You can use their energy storage for monking or interrupting but I prefer necros for that. As long as you aren't trying to use a bunch of 25 en spells or ones with exhaustion, I find that the energy recovery of soul reaping is better than having a big energy total. Drag along animate bone minions for twice the soul reaping effects, you won't have any energy problems...

ShaneOfMach

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

06 Nov 2006 at 01:42 - 10

You can unlock heros with Balthazar Faction

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

07 Nov 2006 at 14:16 - 11

I took Sousuke...I and don't regret it...One of them now had Meteor Shower and when he casts it, it's like "Did anyone ask for a plate of PWND?".

I did notice one CLASS comment sousuke comes out with...I was doing Tahnnakai Temple yesterday with Heroes (got masters btw...failed with a human group)...and i noticed Sousuke saying "That went bang good. That went bang REAL good"...cracked me up

One small comment regarding Sousuke's intelligence is that sometimes he casts meteor shower on stupid things. I was taking a character to Shing Jea down the Saoshang Trail... Sousuke decided that the ULTIMATE overkill would be to cast Meteor Shower on that lvl 0 Mantid Monitor Hatchling just out of Seitung Harbour.

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

R/

07 Nov 2006 at 14:24 - 12

hehe

Well i took Jin but at the time i had the names mixed up and i was actually wanted to get sousuke but i havnt regreted getting Jin. She does a fine job dropping spirits for me (playing as my ranger ofc

) and spiking targets.

ShaneOfMach

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

08 Nov 2006 at 05:14 - 13

Arcane Condrodum + Choking Gas + Punishing Shot + Savage Shot + Distracting Shot makes enemy casters cry...

Poison Ivy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

Hopping

Mo/A

08 Nov 2006 at 05:18 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

Arcane Condrodum + Choking Gas + Punishing Shot + Savage Shot + Distracting Shot makes enemy casters cry... When your out of energy, you'll be doing the crying

Cilvaa

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2005

Gold Coast, Australia

Australian Syndicate of Dark Forces

W/Mo

08 Nov 2006 at 23:32 - 15

I took Jin (as a R/Me power-interrupter) and Master of Whispers (as a curse-master) and my guild-mate took Sousuke and Magrid. This enables us to mix and match our troupe to suit any situation.

I believe there is at least one more "choice" between 2, a warrior and a mesmer... I'm taking the W, as I played a W/Mo (W/R some of the time) in Tyria and have several elite to give him) and my guildie knows mesmer skills well.

PrismOfRedLight

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2005

11 Nov 2006 at 11:17 - 16

Ugh, I can't stand Jin, the lil RR(retarded ranger) always charged headlong into battle a mile away before I was ready, however I was lucky enough to be blessed by choosing Souske and having my friend choose Jin, which is also hilarious since he gets pissed off when the groups break aggro from FS especially since hes the Dervish (I'm Paragon) and has to chase around all the lil critters. Ah laughter at others expense, what glory!

shadowmist

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Sanctity of Shadows

N/Me

15 Nov 2006 at 08:42 - 17

I haven't had any trouble with Jin running after enemies far away. I've had that problem with Koss (was capping avatar of balthazar, and was about an agro bub outside fort when koss ran INTO the fort to fight the acolyte) so I think it's more of a problem with heroe AI than Jin. My experiences with Jin are good so far. She hasn't died once yet, and savage shot/distracting shot combo makes for a good deal of interrupts. Sousuke seems about as strong as Zhed. Zhed looks cooler IMO though ^_^ Since Zhed is storyline, I went with Jin for most of my characters. Doesn't matter in the end though, cause I'll get them all eventually... Gotta Catch 'em All!

prism2525

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Among dead bodies.

The Republic of Sky Pirates

E/

15 Nov 2006 at 14:16 - 18

Can't wait to get my ele to get searing flames. oooh I'm gonna spank the mobs REAL bad

(Searing flames trio + fire hench = double... no triple... no QUADRIPLE OUCH!)

rezabm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nightshift Resurrection

R/

15 Nov 2006 at 15:36 - 19

*Spoiler below*

Quote:

Originally Posted by breaking-benjamin

Hi ^^

If you take Acolyte Sousuke, and you want to regret it, you can take back Jin? or when you take one the chance of get the other hero ends?

Btw, in your opinion, which one is better? I think Sousuke is smarter, but I dunno which one is better... really.

Another question: if you take Master of Whispers over Magrid, you can complete the game? and if you take Magrid over Master of Whispers, do you can too? what is the difference?

Thanks.

You can finish the game either way, no matter whos quest did you pick, there are just different paths in the storyline. Anyway you can do the missions you've skipped by choosing between Margrid or Master anytime afterwards.
And after the last mission you can get all the heroes you've missed. For example if you've missed Norgu's/Goren's quests (as the're not primary), you can get both of them after the final mission easily by just talking to them and completing some simplistic errand quests.

Emik

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Belgium

[FaRM] Farm For The Win

N/

15 Nov 2006 at 16:12 - 20

You can do them before too...
No need to wait till you can aqcuire all heroes.
Just find someone who took the other 'fork' and you can do the mission

twentynine

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2006

R/

15 Nov 2006 at 19:24 - 21

I love Jin. I have her and Margrid set up as twin Barragers with Savage and Distracting. They have different utility skills to complement each other. I don't get to use them together often, but I love it when I can.

Darkpower Alchemist

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

NYC

The Circle Of Nine[NINE]

E/N

19 Nov 2006 at 13:05 - 22

Jin is my Ranger wing shooter. I built her as a crippling/poison ranger,while i use interupts and traps.The builds are as follows;

[skill=card]Troll Unguent[/skill][skill=card]Forked Arrow[/skill][skill=card]Savage Shot[/skill][skill=card]Apply Poison[/skill][skill=card]Crippling Shot[/skill][skill=card]Dust Trap[/skill][skill=card]Keen Arrow[/skill][skill=card]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

That is Jin's current build.

[skill=card]Troll Unguent[/skill][skill=card]Distracting Shot[/skill][skill=card]Savage Shot[/skill][skill=card]Punishing Shot[/skill][skill=card]Barbed Trap[/skill][skill=card]Dust Trap[/skill][skill=card]Flame Trap[/skill] and the Sunspear res signet(can't remember the exact name

)

My ranger's build.

Good damage and back to back interupts,snaring and degen...we make an awesome team,Jin and I. I can't wait to get the next ranger hero. Can anyone say trap team?

Ti My Shoo

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2006

Mo/

19 Nov 2006 at 22:03 - 23

It DOESNT Matter because when u finish the game u can get all the ones you chose not to get

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

20 Nov 2006 at 14:30 - 24

I'd say whichever 1 you pick, make sure you use both that hero and the other 1 of its class at least. Ranger spike is working fine for me with Aidan, Jin, Marge and me w/ FW and Winno on the team. (with the optional Winter and Kindle vs Titans

)

Just like using a duo of Searing Flames/Liquid Flames eles would probably work if you were a caster too. Still leaves you room for a BHA ranger.

sacrypheyes

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Sep 2006

21 Nov 2006 at 02:26 - 25

always picked jin over sousuke for some reasons :
1-she's cuter (lol)
2-as an interrupt, she does far better than most human player would thanks to ai lightning reflexes (captain mwende at consulate docks with lvl 13 characters is just a joke while i'm about sure i would hate him to death if i chose sousuke in same setup)
3-damage wise, there's always a way to make use of a ranger or anything else such as henchies, whereas good interrupts is most likely to be lacking. (broad headed arrow rules)
4-you get the opportunity to have an el hero later (didn't know it with my first nf character but hey that was a good surprise)

that's why i now always pick jin and master of whispers as i progress in nf campaign with any character.

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

24 Nov 2006 at 01:47 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by sacrypheyes

that's why i now always pick jin and master of whispers as i progress in nf campaign with any character. Why always the Master of Whispers? Anyone can get access to Olias as far as i know. There isn't really much use for a 2nd Necro been as it really does just waste a hero slot. Taking both Ele heros still means you can get Margrid for interrupting. Just like taking both Ranger heroes still leaves you with a necro. The variations you can get with 2 eles or 2 rangers is much more useful than with 2 necros. SS and MM can only get you so far.

kazjun

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2006

HoVa

W/N

27 Nov 2006 at 03:48 - 27

Olias is tyria only I think, so not everyone has him. Though you're right about having two full necros, only time I had both along was killing shiro, cause its so much quicker. Otherwise I run olias as MM. I don't really use whispers much, though I have him as a secondary caster, just soul reaping and whatever I need for a secondary, monking, interrupts, minor nuking. Is useful as an orders necro but I find that overkill for pve.

ArianeB

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2006

Arthur

E/Mo

27 Nov 2006 at 16:08 - 28

My Canthan Ranger went with Jin, because two rangers are better than one.

I like playing dual Barrage/Pet rangers, and you can give Jin Favorable Winds and Revive Animals and that frees up two slots on my build for interrupt and needling shot.