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Velvet Wing

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2006

In your cupboard *nomming* your cookies

Blade of Souls

P/W

05 Nov 2006 at 11:41 - 1

Hiya guys and gals..

After the mass nerfing Anet performed after the release of NF they forgot one thing.. nerfing that bumwank shiro in the second to last mission..

I've done this mission countless times, only to be whiped out by him in the end.. The most troublesome thing is that a team doesn't need warriors in this mission, so they won't take any.. And since I am of the warrior kind (not the noob fiery dragon sword wammo tank...) I have absolutely no chance at all to finish this mission..

I know you will now all say: " But i completed the mission" or "just try and get a good group" but it seriously didn't work out.. they just spam they need monks, blood necro, and elem spikers.. what am I to do?

(asking guildies for help won't work, noone is that far yet...)

Corpselooter

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Netherlands, Woerden

Glob of Ectospasm [GoE]

R/

05 Nov 2006 at 11:44 - 2

Make a group yourself, and take like 5 warriors rest monks. Make all the warriors jump on Shiro. Then let Warrior 1 use Storm of swords, after that storm of sword ended, let warrior 2 use it, etc. very easy that way.

Celeborn

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

England

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

Mo/Me

05 Nov 2006 at 11:46 - 3

And take wild blow.

garethporlest18

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

[HiDe]

W/

05 Nov 2006 at 12:07 - 4

This is not the last mission of factions, this is in NF. There is no Storm of Swords. Basically take hero's and bring stances, make sure they are spread out away from Shiro. Bring a cripple if you need to, to stop him from running.

Cyan The Archer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Denmark

R/

05 Nov 2006 at 12:15 - 5

Look in the Elonian forum. You can get some help there.

Saying that no one wants a Warrior in this mission is bs... All groups are spamming LF WB Warrior, or something like that. You CAN do it with hench, but you need to control your henchmen and heroes if Shiro attacks them, but look in Elonian forum - I already posted a small guide on how to.

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

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05 Nov 2006 at 12:16 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corpselooter

Make a group yourself, and take like 5 warriors rest monks. Make all the warriors jump on Shiro. Then let Warrior 1 use Storm of swords, after that storm of sword ended, let warrior 2 use it, etc. very easy that way. um DURRR

hes in nightfall not factions,

now to the OP , yes its hard to be a war and beat them 2 together, however make one of ur heros a prot monk. and bring wild blow for you and your war hero. and bring ele hero with mealstorm. what ever else you might think will work for the rest of the henchies. also clear the chambers by them to get there shrine bonuses and the mission bonus. helps alot

Guildmaster Cain

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

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Guildmaster Aeron [Rt], Arthas Ironfist [W], Guild: The Tyrian Templars [TTT]

05 Nov 2006 at 12:18 - 7

Lol, yeh no Storm of Swords...

I had to do this with players. Shiro seemed to get attached to certain partymembers more then others. For instance, any Paragon seems to be his favorite (male preferably??, Shiro is obviously ga*). Let the one he favors run around in circles, the rest should stand in the middle and use wand/bow and skill attacks. The runner should keep running, occasionally hold Z to look behind and see if Shiro is still following.
Using this strategy, degen hexes will work nicely (dont use conditions!).
Also Wastrels Worry will work nicely I think, since Shiro appears to wear the Luitenants Underwear or something similar (1/3 hex duration).

Seltack

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

None, currently LFG

W/

05 Nov 2006 at 12:31 - 8

As a warrior clear the area and get all shrines then move into the middle. Put a flag in the middle and then run around and try and get it so that shiro is agrod onto you or a mele hench only (I got him stuck between me and meloni). Then use a SS/insidious/price necro to hex him while you tank the damage he deals out from impossible odds. You may want a second necro with spoil victor, I meant to do this after reading the advice before trying the mission but I accidently brought soul leach (w00t) and still managed it.

I don't think this mission needs to be nerfed, its not even the hardest mission in the game imo, that stupid save the garden one is so much harder.

Jecht Scye

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Lucky Crickets[Luck]

N/Me

05 Nov 2006 at 13:11 - 9

Here's how you do it. Get a Healing monk, a Prot Monk(EXTREMELY IMPORTANT), a nuker, an SS necro(with reckless haste), and a Spoiled Victor Necro. The rest doesn't really matter.

gg, you have one dead shiro.

Also, get help from the gods.

Amity and Truth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

05 Nov 2006 at 13:15 - 10

Blinding Flash, Wild Blow -> *yawn* What bossmob?

Count to Potato

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2006

Imagination Land

I Swear She Was Eighteen [Gwen]

W/

05 Nov 2006 at 14:16 - 11

I did it with heros, i had wild blow, and my mesmer was degen/blinding flash it was really easy

akh

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Europe

FTW

A/E

05 Nov 2006 at 14:27 - 12

/signed
I've done every single mission with heroes and henchies but I totaly agree that shiro mission has to be nerfed. Not because it's imposible (wild blow, wild throw ftw) but it's much harder compared to the very last mission. It doesn't make sense.

BowLad21

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

05 Nov 2006 at 14:37 - 13

I defeated this mission with no warriors, just a place for my heroes and hench to stand, and long-range skills with degen. I then kited shiro non-stop for 5 minutes. Easy enough.

Amity and Truth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

05 Nov 2006 at 15:03 - 14

The last mission was made to last long, to give an impression of fighting something huge and powerful. Something people asked for "hey A-Net give us Arcade Style Bossfights!".

Charqus

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2005

Mo/

05 Nov 2006 at 15:05 - 15

You just need intelligent tanks to defeat shiro,
I tried the mission only once to complete it but almost lost it 3 times because of the tanks were being retards. But then after a stern word the tanks did what they should.

Loki Seiguro

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

IGN: Scarlet Test Ace

We play Isketch in [HoH]

E/

05 Nov 2006 at 15:06 - 16

um ok sry if i sound really noobish....i dont have NF yet but im still intrested..

Shiro is in Factions too correct?..or is that a different one....
and he is back in NF now...?

Cyan The Archer

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Denmark

R/

05 Nov 2006 at 15:28 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

Blinding Flash, Wild Blow -> *yawn* What bossmob? It's funny how some people keep mentioning Blinding Flash, when they obviously have no clue what they're talking about.

Guildmaster Cain

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

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05 Nov 2006 at 15:34 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Count to Potato

I did it with heros, i had wild blow, and my mesmer was degen/blinding flash it was really easy Shiro would transfer blinded from Blinding Flash to your party...

Spirit Of Azrael

Echo-mending Master

Join Date: Jun 2006

Service of Shadows [SOS]

W/N

05 Nov 2006 at 15:50 - 19

You fail at life. That mish is very easy.

Seltack

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

None, currently LFG

W/

05 Nov 2006 at 15:51 - 20

But still, they shouldn't tone it down.

You can hench it without any difficulty, therefore its fine.

Reminds me of THK in the early prophecies days when it was actually really hard, since it's been nerfed a lot and now its super easy which is abit sad IMO

Amity and Truth

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

W/N

05 Nov 2006 at 15:54 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer

It's funny how some people keep mentioning Blinding Flash, when they obviously have no clue what they're talking about. It's funny how some people keep on bashing others, when they obviously have no clue what they're talking about. Blinding Flash works. And it works great. Yes he spreads it to nearby foes. So what? Just fricking re-apply it.

ChaoticCoyote

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2006

Florida, USA

Imperial Order of the Iguana [IGGY]

R/

05 Nov 2006 at 16:46 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velvet Wing

Hiya guys and gals..

After the mass nerfing Anet performed after the release of NF they forgot one thing.. nerfing that bumwank shiro in the second to last mission.. We took him with a Paragon, a Warrior, an Elementalist, a Dervish, and my Tyrian Ranger, plus three healer heroes. We were down to just the Warrior at one point against Shiro, but we managed to get him after some creative ressing.

We wouldn't have won without the Warrior.

IIIPowerIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

Canada

R/Mo

05 Nov 2006 at 17:11 - 23

I just dont get it how ppl find Madness hard, when Pain was ALOT harder....

I've done Gate of Madness with 2 monk hench,1monk hero, Koss, Olias, Paragon hench, Nuker hench. And it was Easy...

I've actually redone it today to get master on it, all you need for this mission is a MM and a Spoil Victor necro...

I've used the same setup for the whole NF campaign

TheSonofDarwin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Black Hand Gang [BHG]

Mo/

05 Nov 2006 at 17:24 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by akh

but it's much harder compared to the very last mission. It doesn't make sense. What was Raisu's Palace compared to Shiro then?

Seems to me the 2nd to last mission being the hardest isn't a new trend.

I did this with two friends last night, one was a Dervish. She asked what was suggested regarding the Dervish and I jokingly said "To be left in the mission outpost." But anyways, it turns out we couldn't have done it without her, a tank, with our setup. What it turned out to work best was using her as a decoy. We got her DP up to 60, spread our heros out in a large formation (but close enough to still hit him) so impossible odds wouldn't get us, and I put my mesmer with Resurrection Chant behind the wall that makes up the door with all his skills disabled except Resurrection Chant. Shiro would kPWN her, and my mesmer would have her rezed before he could switch targets. Repeat until dead and it worked flawlessly. Could suggest it was tank abuse, but she was still "Tanking," and doing a great job of it.

The Lich, on the otherhand, was being stubborn (just would not pull away from Shiro for well over 20mins) and caused all of the DP we got initially. 333++ damage from a single wand attack and we hadn't put vigors on our heroes yet, so... yeah. He died easily enough by having everyone hide behind the door so he couldn't hit us and my Psychic Distraction mesmer and cond. ranger took care of the rest.

It was fun, and I'd hate to have to do that mission myself, but meh - doesn't need to be made easier.

Desires

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

A/

05 Nov 2006 at 17:27 - 25

I still get a kick out of how people can't get this mission. I still go to gates of madness jsut because its funny watching everyone spam omg anet sucks omg shiro owned me.

Really jsut bring a spoil victor necro and a PROTECT monk and its gg. I mean like all NF missions and really all pve missions its easy...

zhak

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2006

Rise Of Warriors

N/Mo

05 Nov 2006 at 20:57 - 26

i did this mission yesterday with hench and heros

-Dervish-> me
-Necro SS with empathy and leech signet (interrupt)
-Necro Spoil Victory with Backfire and other interrupt skill that i dont remember,power something.
-Koss (w/r) with gash and apply poison and wild blow
-Devona,
-Menhlo
-Khim (other hench monk)
-herta (Earth ele monk)

After trying this mission sometimes with real ppl,and in one time with other human player that we almost killed shiro,was like 20 hp left for shiro to die ( bad luck), i tried this strategy and only devona died at thos portal wraith ( to much aggro),and i and koss died at the end to the hands of shiro.Only i was death when my hench killed shiro. AH,and i was at dwayna shrine.
Try this and dont rush

Dracil

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

05 Nov 2006 at 21:20 - 27

After trying to PUG it about 5 times/trying to find a group (I'm a Dervish, so similar problem), I just herowayed it. No deaths at Shiro + Master's is how well it went.

Necro with SV really helps (if you didn't pick Master of Whispers, just go to Lion's Arch and get Olias), but add Insidious Parasite/Price of Failure or Empathy to finish him off.

Acolyte Sousuke had Psychic Distraction as well, which can disable his Impossible Odds for 11 seconds if it hits (a little luck, since PD is 1/4 and IO is 1/2), and it recharges in 2 seconds.

LumpOfCole

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Orlando, FL

Rt/

05 Nov 2006 at 22:25 - 28

I did this quest my first time. Shiro didn't seem to be that troublesome at the time. Got bonus too so that is that

Silver Spook

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

Rt/Me

05 Nov 2006 at 22:25 - 29

Nothing need to be nerfed in it as I had no problems with my second char dervish to do it with just heros/henchs and hardly did anything in the end by myself.

Monkey Blonde

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

Siege Turtles (ST)

Mo/

05 Nov 2006 at 22:37 - 30

I can understand how people find this so difficult, but I don't want ANet to make it easier. It's nice to have a difficult mission that you know you have to be fairly decent to get beyond. I just did it with my ranger. I took Devona, Cynn, Kihm (healer) and Mhenlo along with my 3 heroes: Norgu (mesmer), Olias (blood, battery, Spoil Victor), and Master of Whispers (mm). I setup Norgu as anti-warrior and IIRC, I made it through without a single death, including bonus of course. This is my second time through the storyline - the first time with my ele - me and a guildie did it after 3 times.

It's a good feeling to succeed at a mission that you know there's a chance of failure. So many other missions are just so easy.

Sephir Demange

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2005

Paper Airplane Pilotz

05 Nov 2006 at 23:50 - 31

Kill Lich, Cap ALL shrines, Kill Shiro. No other things need to be done. Not even getting real people.

Fates

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Kanuckistan

Mirror of Reason [SNOW]

R/

06 Nov 2006 at 00:18 - 32

I (my ranger) was one of the first (definately not the first through) this mission. Didn't know what to expect so went with my standard 2 ranger (BP) heros and a MM hero and the two healer henches, the dervish and the earth ele. Of course I got owned by shiro when I got there as I wasn't set up for him.

Second time I went in, changed the MM to Spoil Victor, went in, killed the Litch, killed Shiro. No one died, was a piece of cake. Just had the necro spam curses, especially spoil victor, Shiro basically kills himself.

Butters1110

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2006

Professional Athletes [HGH]

Mo/

06 Nov 2006 at 00:30 - 33

"You Are All Alone" >Shiro...... Enough said

Archon Calran

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

06 Nov 2006 at 02:10 - 34

I henched this mission second try.

1. Warrior (me) with quivering blade and physical resistance, dolyak ect
2. MM with flesh golem
3. Dunkoro with Peace and Harmony reviled hex and ether sig
4. Zhed with Unstedy Ground (something like that :P)
5. Healing hench
6. Illusion hench
7. Paragon Hench
8. Blood Hench ( i think xD)

The key is to pull Shiro out with out the Lich following him and park your henches outside of the doorway and keep tanking him while Shiro hits you. I died 3 times but when i was dead Master of Whispers made a golem to hold my place. XP After a few more seconds from attacks of the henches he died and we kicked the Liches butt afterwards.

P.S. no i had no wild blow, spoil victor ect...

badseed

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

E/Me

06 Nov 2006 at 03:18 - 35

This can be done with hench, just work on your team a bit.

It should NOT be nerfed. We should have harder missions like this in game.

I did it on my third run with hench. First was finding out where to go, second to see the final fight and third to get it down.

Formosa

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

We Are All Pretty [ugly]

06 Nov 2006 at 04:37 - 36

Here's all you need to know for taking out shiro.

All you need is yourself and a partner with 3 heros each. I recommend a healer hero, a pure prot hero, and an OoB Boon Prot hero (works very well). Take a heavy anti-melee hex necro (not Spoil Victor...SS with Reckless Haste, Price of Failure, and SPirit of Failure). Bring 2 E/Mo Searing Flames henchies with one Aegis each, then bring Aegis on the prot monk. You and your partner need to chain it. When he gets to using Impossible Odds do not inflict conditions on him (disable all burning skills etc on heros). Simply keep the anti-melee on him, chain Aegis, and the Guardians from heros will do the rest. The 2 Searing Flames E/Mo's should serve you well in taking out the rest of the mission as well.

Also, take a Wild Blow on your warrior.

aohige

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

GoW

Mo/

06 Nov 2006 at 05:00 - 37

Spoil Victor and Wild Blow.

That's all you need.

As long as you have a Necro hero and a Warrior hero, the rest doesn't matter. You don't have to get in a PUG to do this mission.

Granted, until you figure out, it can be a very tough mission.
But once you do, it's a cakewalk.

Chicken Rice Seller

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2005

Singapore

Mo/Me

06 Nov 2006 at 05:39 - 38

Hench it
pull shiro away and wack his face

Pulling is the tact for this mission
Btw i'm using a warrior also >.<

LordDeArnise

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2006

California, USA

The Elite Knights of Tarnia [PwnD]

06 Nov 2006 at 06:58 - 39

All those are very sound, though the key is in the warrior taking Wild Blow, and Spoil Victor on a Necro.

The first time I went through that one, I was using my Paragon, teamed up with a fire Ele, two healing monks, a Dervish, a War, and two differently-configured Master of Whispers, where one of them was a SS cursing Nec, and the other had Spoil Victor. Getting to the Lich and Shiro was one thing, killing Shiro, was another. There were times when it was just me and a Monk to res others, but we kept at it, tanking and kiting and all that stuff, but got Shiro in the end. We didn't get the bonus because those two bosses were always in the way between us and the shrines. Otherwise, we had great teamwork to down Abbadon in 14 mins.

natuxatu

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2006

Wisconsin

Rt/Mo

06 Nov 2006 at 07:00 - 40

/signed

I wrote a letter to ArenaNet about this problem.. I also ranted about it in these fourms. I got past it but I still think it need to be adjusted.