Droks Running Ridiculous

How the hell did I say people had to go at my pace?

I dont care if youre rerolling to change appearance, Ive done that too.

Where did I say it was any of my business? Im sorry, but I have NO idea where you got that. I dont care why someone would reroll, I was merely saying that if you roll the exact same primary/secondary(sex/appearance irrelevant), it doesnt make any sense to me, unless youre using it as a mule.

If its for appearances, fine, I have no problem with that. Ive deleted a couple characters to change the way they look.

Thats a different class, R/E isnt a R/Me. I was saying one R/E for a second R/E, to me that doesnt make sense, unless youre using it as a mule.

And I dont, if Im party leader, but I wont leave a party because of it, Ill just laugh to myself, and wait for them to die again, which happens alot to them, as far as Ive seen.

Not sure where I said it dint take alot of time... I DID say that playing through 10 times wasnt too much time playing the game(as long as real life commitments are being taken care of). Im well aware of that. Id agree, I was discussing with someone earlier how there are some good spells when you get to higher lvls. I would say yes, but Id also ask why they would bother getting a character to the higher level areas if they dont enjoy the rest of the game? Its like going to see a movie, and only liking 2-3 parts of it. Would you go see that movie over and over again? Not sure where you got that Im telling anyone "This is how youre supposed to play the game.", Im just saying, I strongly believe this is wrong, and should not happen. Heh, cant we all just get along? I suppose so, just dont expect me to enjoy it.

No, I most certainly am not. If thats how youre reading it, then youre reading it wrong. And, as I said above, I agree that we all should be able to play our own way.

This shows that I am nothing like those who would run/be run somewhere. I dont mind playing alot of the content repeatedly. Ive got 5 Prophecies character, 4 are lvl 20, played all of them through, and am now on #5, which will also be played all the way through. Will likely get Faction at Christmas, then play 1 character through(other will be mule), and then Im just going to help people with missions or just grab a group, or henchies, and pickup a few things to merch, unless I get REALLY lucky, and find something I can actually sell to another player.

Ok Just to be sure, you're saying running is fine if you've rerolled that guy?


I know several people who've done just that to get a newer title like Surviror, and still kept their old charactar.

Either way, you should read the section of my post you responded to that said "Although, why anyone wouldn't just do the secondary profession quests so they can change it whenever they want on their existing charactar baffles me."

I just find it stupid that they can't do a 15 minute quest or pay 500g as opposed to re-making an entire charactar so they can use one skill from their secondary. And FYI, since only your Primary can't be changed a R/Me and a R/E are only one hotkey and two mouseclicks different from eachother.


"I dont think 10 characters means too much time."

I will say that the amount of time each person has to play the game is subjective, so for you what may be one day worth of playtime may be two weeks of playing time for someone else.

It's like WoW hardcores, for example, they play 10-12 hours a day. They don't consider it alot of time. Then again, they also don't have a job, girlfriend, or 'real life' friends, and they still live in their parents basement. To someone else, who has a job, friends, a wife, and kids... That's ALOT of time to play a game. Most gamers, however are somewhere between the guy who spends his entire life gaming, and the guy who plays for 30 minutes to an hour every week.


It's not that the player never enjoyed the first parts of the game. It's that they do not enjoy them anymore. For me, going through the Maguuma Jungle was fun the first, oh, 6 times. If I had to go back, I'd entirely skip that area, or maybe just breeze through it after I hit level 20 with a few other level 20 friends. They still however may find end-game areas very fun, like FoW, UW, or PvP, and they may want to play another class in those areas, because what they already have is in low demand, they're getting bored of playing the same thing all the time, or they simply think it would be fun to change things up.

Your quote pretty much answers your question. "Not sure where you got that Im telling anyone "This is how youre supposed to play the game.", Im just saying, I strongly believe this is wrong, and should not happen."

You want running stopped. Am I right? If it is stopped, people can not be run, and can not skip areas they absolutly do not like anymore, or never did like in the first place. Doing that would force people to play the game exactly how you think it should be played.

Ok, explain it to me then... From what I can tell you're saying:

- Running is wrong.
- Running should be made impossible.

You're also claiming:

- People should be able to play how they want to play(includes being run!)


So, where exactly did I go wrong?


You not minding that is fine. You're a different person than other people, most obviously everyone is.

Yea sure if you want ugly boring armor (points at mesmer canthan clown suit), and you're basically suggesting that people do the (almost) equivalent tactic to get...wait for it...MAX DEF ARMOR OMG

Reason for not charging 10k myself? I wouldnt WANT to have to pay 10k so i wont charge it. Simple

Theres a very easy way to get max armour in nightfall from the get go, just find someone in kamadan who has the battle preperations quest where you have to talk to the person in the consulate office that takes you to the docks, join there party, go to the office, let the person speak to the woman in the office and voila.. your at the consulate docks where you can get max defense armour... 6 of my nf chars already have max armour and they're only level 3

Gotta love sarcasm!
Yes, I know about changing secondaries with the quests, but, you dont get the skills fo free(from quests), like you do if its you original secondary.

Yes, if you play ALL those character in the same sitting, it would be for some with a job/family/school. But I dont think most people do that. Might switch back and forth for item transfers, or to redo inventory, but thats ok.

I dont know much about FoW, or UW, never been to/no real interest in them. Hell, Ive only been in ToPK once, didnt go far, actually just more out of curiosity than interest. I just find it odd that anyone can feel a sense of accomplishment by running somewhere, maybe they can, but Ive no idea how.

Not what I meant at all. I believe running is wrong. Running should have be(en) made impossible from the start
Theres the missing pieces, hope it helps. If you guys run, go ahead, but I cant understand why youd do it, even the explainations Ive been given, it still feels "wrong", and I did something sort of like a run(Grendich to Yaks), back when I got my 1st lvl 20(about 8 months ago), except that the 2 people I was with FOUGHT their way there, and all I did was throw heals on them. Dont know if that would be called a run, but that was the first and last time I did anything like that.

Let me see if I got this right:

You don't consider just chaning secondarys and paying 1k per skill smarter than making a new charactar and (for you) re-completing the entire game, or (for others) getting run.

You still think that completing the game fully with 10 charactars doesn't take much time.

You don't play FoW, UW, or any end game content.

You don't realise that people instead of playing to feel accomplished, play the game for fun. Some have fun playing to feel accomplished, but most don't. You find re-playing everything through fun. Others don't, and find playing harder end game content fun. They get runs and are happy. You don't get runs and are happy.


I'm still baffled by the last part.

You hate running. You want it to be made impossible, and feel that it should never have been allowed. You claim you're not telling anyone how to play the game. But you want running to end, and want everyone who wants to be run, to not get a run.



So, I ask you, since running helps some people to enjoy the game more(it does not matter if you are unable to grasp the amazingly simple concept of how it does that), and has absolutly no negative effect on anyone who decides they do not want to be run, why should running be stopped?

Running should be allowed. We all don't dance to the same music.

Anet is expressly allowing or disallowing running as part of level design after the original guildwars based on the effects of the game and there vision.

At first (a long time ago) I was against running, but as I started my 2nd/3rd character it came apparent why Anet built that in. It meant to provide a short cut and challenge by design.

10k a head? Damn, maybe I should start doing runs... I've done it before just to say I did it, never thought it was worth the time though. 50k a run sound sweet.

You can always use your heroes to run it. It's quite interesting actually.

if u dont bother playing thru all the boring mission just to get a good looking armour(the kaineng armour looks horrible ) dorksrun is a good alternative.
ppl are just using the update so that they can get more monney ,and rly the only things that has changed is that the spawn is more unstable.
I dont do dorks run to make monney, i do them when im bored or when i feel like helping.
i will always do the run for 2k(10k for a run is pure blood sucking)

Play ........................ through .. game?
Guild Wars is a ... game????????
You PLAY it???
What is this "Play" you speak of? Does it involve pr0n?
All thy base are belong to thee?
No no no ....
PLAY??????


AMEN.

That's what the game was created for; playing.
Unless you're making some kind of "RL" profit by getting yourself to Drok's at level 5, I see no point in getting runs.
Unless you know, you met some hottie lvl.20 in Ascalon who told you to meet her/him in Droknar's Forge later that day, but, alas, your character is fresh off the creation screen and .. sadly, you do not have the strength nor skills to get to this so called "Drok's" yourself.
The time required to aquire such ability would be FAR to devastating to your maxed-out Schedual.


WTS Weekdays: Tuesday-Thursday (req. 10 Hours), Time Management increased by 33% (20% Chance of failure with 4 Life or less), +Friday Night.
100k+50ectos!!!!!!! PM TO SEE!!!


Oh and for people who seem to think that "rushing" a character through the game to better ready them, and quickly, for PvP????? That's why they give you the option of creating a PVP character! Yup, there's a big button on the character creation screen that states "Role Playing" or "PVP".
Nah, making a PvP character would be too easy. I'm going to waste thousands of platinum on runs first.

I'm pretty sure you don't PvP at a decent level, so I'll explain it to you. Before the Nightfall update that made PvP characters equal in ability to PvE characters, PvE characters had a HUGE advantage over PvP characters. Particularly for monks and warriors. If you wanted to be as competitive as possible, it was previously necessary to have a PvE character instead of a PvP to take advantage of armor swapping, rune swapping and having more than 2 weapon sets - something that was available only to PvE chars at the time.

This was the biggest reason to run through the game - it doesn't exist anymore, because PvP characters are now at the same level as PvE characters.

If people STILL can't understand why running was necessary, then I feel kind of sorry for them.

I know. I understand that, and it WAS necessary, but there's no point in running a character through the game anymore for PvP purposes because half the possibilities that were granted before are no longer available.
Not to mention you can now buy and unlock things of PvP play to better your characters when you initially create them anyway, which is also a newer addition to the game since Factions.
I just think it's hilarious that people will spend 10k for a run somewhere to progress through the game quickly, to gain certain things for PvP purposes. In total, after running however many characters through, imagine how much money is wasted merely on RUNS?????? It's awsome. Haha.
I'd much rather use my main PvP character for PvPing, and work my way through PvE with new characters until I deem them fit enough to enter into PvP. I'm not going to spend 10k for someone to run me to Droks, sorry.
I didn't then, and I certainly don't now.

I made a new Warrior, specifically for FoW farming when Europe has favor. A friend tried to run me to Droknar's repeatedly, but when he couldn't do it on either his Warrior or Monk, we decided to try and fight our way there. Sadly, with myself only being level eight or so at the time, and the henchmen only being level ten, that wasn't such a hot idea. Now, I'm a stubborn bastard. I want to get a set of Knight's Armor for my Spider farming, and I refuse to upgrade armor until I get the max level sets available to me. So we ran to Lion's Arch and took a boat ride to Kaineng Center so that I could get a set of armor there. That's when I realized that all the armor there is ugly as hell and I wouldn't be caught dead wearing it. I'm now in the process of doing skill quests in Ascalon after doing some Kaineng City quests to boost my level a few good notches. When I'm ready, I'll run myself to Sanctum Cay, fight through, Ascend, and get to Droknar's the "right" way, albeit with a few cheat codes used in the process.


The moral of the story? Be a stubborn bastard like me. Don't pay any more than you have to, but don't be afraid to do a little work for what you desire. Nothing in life is free, so if you won't pay in gold, pay in time spent. It's worth it.

Im just gonna ascend.

You're not very coherent. Is English your second language?

Except the majority of people getting the run are probably heading to citadel/grotto.

Oh for Christ's sake, what are you my English teacher?
I made maybe three grammatical errors that are clearly noticable to anyone.
Anything else that would deem my post remotely "incoherent" shouldn't matter, and if you really can't understand what I just posted, why don't you read more slowly and save your arrogance. This is a forum used for discussing a video game, we're not writing essays.

I kUd [email protected] l1k3 th15 if you wanted me to. Would that make you happy?

If I wanted to play the bigger prick game, I'd ask if being a Troll with a mouth like yours brings in good money, but I wouldn't want this to turn into a 10th grade Sex-ed debate. People might laugh.


Now can we get back on topic please.

I see the prices are around 3 to 5 K and others are doing LFR paying 10K.That run is not worth 10K it takes less time than it takes to Run Thirsty River Mission and that is 5k.

Personally i could care less for anyone wanting a run or playing through or doing anything else that takes advantage of the game as it is intended. I have no problems with droks runs or whole game running.. It's the owner of the character that decides how he or she wishes to play the game whether it's barely involved letting everyone else work or leading the charge.

So to those who want a run I say go for it.. But don't complain about how much it's going to cost you to get someone else to play the game for you.

That I can agree with.
Although, and as someone just said, it's people OFFERING 10k.
In that regard, I would never pay 10k for a Drok run hahahaha.
Maybe 2 ....
Getting yourself there is so much fun though! Well ... when you actually do it.

Its Demand/Supply in simple terms, but the AI did have a influence in price, not saying for the benefit of either side, just look at the ecto's

if 10k is too much, people wont pay it, the people asking 10k wont get business, and their prices will lower.
but, if droks runnign ahs gotten difficult enough towards 10k is the standard price that people are willing to pay to traverse such a difficult run, then so be it.

its not unfair, its economics.

Ok, so run it once with your warrior for 5 customers at 2K a head and then buy yourself a run for your mesmer at 10K. A lot faster than playing through to droks.

Totally agree with ya here. Made a Ranger got to Fire Isles... Made a Necro got to Fire Isles... Then I made a Monk, played thru completely, joined a big guild, unlocked a few other professions on him as secondary. If you asked me to play a Ranger... all i know is B/P, if you asked me to play a Necro... all i know is SS. My monk can adapt and change for any situation. It's like using a playbook in Madden, if you actually use it, and play it thru, you will master it.

On the running however, do NOT complain about price to get run to droks, whether you have 20 characters and just want skills/armor or whether you are new and just want "L337 stuff". If Guild Wars WANTED you to reach Droks before playing thru the game allows you, it would be so. Guild Wars ALLOWS you to reach Droks due to players, so it is their choice as to what the price is.

Just changinging secondaries and paying about 20k per profession? About 80k total(for the four other professions)? No, I dont actually, unless you already have ALOT of money.

Why can you not understand this? If you learn from previous experience, and play pretty much as well, or, more likely, better than before, it should take less time than the first. But yes, for some, it will take a long time, but with people(I know theres quite a few out there) who finsihed the game in a week or less, thats about 2-1/2 months for 10 characters, not that bad actually.

Much like PvP, I just can find any interest in it. UW, MAYBE, but only once in awhile, to just kind of "take a look around".

Actually, I DO realize it, but that is a big help to pointing out the differences in our styles of play. I get my enjoyment from the sense of accomplishement, whereas(it seems), you(and others) get it from only playing parts you enjoy.


No I DONT want it to be made impossible, Ive said before, it should have been impossible from the start, but its not going to change. I think youre confusing it with my wish that people wouldnt do it, although its not going to happen.

So, I ask you, since running helps some people to enjoy the game more(it does not matter if you are unable to grasp the amazingly simple concept of how it does that), and has absolutly no negative effect on anyone who decides they do not want to be run, why should running be stopped?[/QUOTE]
If it was so "amazingly simple", then Id probably be running too. I have the same thing with PvP in RPGs. I cant understand its popularity. I play FPS games, but thats the only form of PvP I do.
Wow! Having a really hard time getting this across!

Don't get ran!! Gaile doesn't get ru.. oh wait she was lvl 4 in Thunderhead keep During the Monk Strike!!! lol! nvm!

Fastest way to get to Droks without paying high price for runners is to ascend now and reach there.