Moral Grey Area or Scammer?

i was in kamadan recently when i noticed someone selling a max dmg req9 15^50 scythe for 10k. the price seemed ok so i asked to have a look. to my surprise it was a collectors scythe. i didnt make a big deal of it and told the seller that i wasnt interested.

im sure the seller is making a ton of cash selling the collectors scythes and spears to noobs for 10k/each considering it probably only costs him like ~500g to get them.

i personally dont think that the seller is a scammer but thats not to say that he is taking advantage of noobs in the game that are less informed. id say that hes not a very moral player but i dont think that i can call him a scammer.

what do u think?

AFAIK Collector items don't come with insignia's (or do they, I got a insignia free suntouched spear from a collector).

Nah that's just plain old scamming. Its exactly like someone in Pre-searing advertising "WTB Black Dye, 1k!".

(And yes, they dont come with insignias, otherwise everyone would be salvaging the 15^50 like crazy :P)

But there are collectors that offer items with mods. I saw some 15% while enchanted from a collector somewhere. Even if he is offering new players a max damage weapon the price is what makes it dubious at best.

1st it is not scamming, you don't know the prices > don't buy.
2nd collector items cannot be salvaged.

Its not a scam. Back in prophecies quite a few people would gather max collectors weapons and sell them in L.A for a few K. Basically people were being paid for they're time and effort and providing a service for characters that weren't able to get max collector items yet. As for the price, thats between the buyer and seller but if people are expecting a nice rare at that price all they need to do is simply close the trade box. The people selling these will quickly realize they need to drop they're prices or simply stop wasting they're time as most people won't buy them.

It's neither a scam, nor a moral grey area. People are getting exactly what they are paying for. Worth is relative, and the fact that they never bothered to inform themselves is their own fault.

An item is only worth what someone offers. If the buyer is willing to pay 10k for a scythe so be it.

If you have enough money to pay 10k, you've been playing for a while and should be "hip" to the prices.

I didn't mean they came with inscriptions, but do collectors items come with inherent mods? Or am I just lucky/unlucky to have found a spear with a free inscription slot?

Agree with Gonzo. By now, if you have 10k, surely you would know looking at an item if it's a collector's or not. If they're selling it for 1-2k, that could be closer to what it's worth for the trouble to get it.

Dont see it as a scam either. I have bought a few collectors items simply because I cant be bothered to collect the stuff and go there.

You can get 15^50 scythes on a top of a mountain somewhere out in the desolation, shattered ravines i tihnk.

Neither is scamming, buying black dye cheap is not exactly moral gold, but it is not scamming, if you are so new to the game that you do not know the value of black dye, you shouldnt be selling (If you knew nothing about car prices, would you sell your car for the first offer you got in a showroom?)


Neither is this scamming or morally wrong, it costs 5K + mats (so lets say 5.5K) to craft a sythe, the extra 4.5K is convenience, i dont need to find a 15>50 insignia . i'd pay for that anyday

I don't think anyone could even amass 10k without gaining atleast a basic sense of the value of a weapon. I'd say anyone that could afford it should have the sense to decide if they want it.

Hmm... I kinda accidentally sold a Hand of the Forgotten (endgame scythe ~80k), for about 5k. The buyer knew it was worth more and so did I, but somehow I got confused with the new trade window and didnt bother to read proper. Exit 75k... ah well, Ill live, plus the fact that it was only ingame money easily earned back.
I asked the trader to trade the scythe back, but ofcourse he didnt. This could fit into the moral grey area I guess. I wonder how I would have reacted if it was the other way around. Probably if he asked nicely, I would have given it back.

First, buying black dye for 1k in pre searing is taking advantage of new players, because anyone who knows dye trader prices will not sell.

Second, it was a collectors item, traded for 3 - 5 drop items usually sold for 500g to 2k. 10k is a steep price, but an experienced player starting a new character might pay it to have access to a good weapon.

There is a friendly warning from a GWGuru auction admin for a good reason:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction/viewnew.php?id=17

I don't think its scamming, but I don't tihnk its right either. I have offered good collector items for maybe 5k, but I make sure the seller knows it a collector item. Maybe he is selling it for 10k because he paid for the scythe 15^50 insignia. Like an above poster said, if you don't know the price, don't buy it. But its always nice to make sure your buyer knows what hes getting.

Is it scamming No.

One thing I have found out playing this game is that there are alot of people out there that claim you are scamming because you can obtain an item later in the game or by some other means. They say you are scamming when you try to sell collector items because the collectors are available to everyone. I've been accused of scamming for trying to sell my Gray Giant because it is obtainable via PC gamer. I was accused of scamming in pre because I was buying dye, would not take black dyes (had one person offer me one once and I told him/her to keep it, it was worth at least 7k at the dye trader later), the kicker was that what the dye trader was buying dye for was lower than what I was buying it for on over half of the dye colors. I never sold any of them anyway because there was no money in it. I do have a nice dye collection now though

As for those who like to cry scam I feel they are just spoilers. Now I'm not saying they are always wrong I popped into pre the other day and saw someone trying to buy black dye cheap, but I think it is more seller beware that scamming.

As for the collectors and end game items. Is selling a green or gold item scamming because from the accusers view point of, you can acquire them in the game as well, it is by their definition because these items can be obtained in game for free. I do think the seller was asking a steep price for the item but some of the end game items I had crafted in Prophecies cost 5k + materials so they usually ran close to 8k after it was all said and done so 10k is not all that unrealistic.

If people want to scream scammer then look at the rune, dye, merchants, and material and rare material traders in game these guys are the masters of scam. The dye and rune traders are by far the worst. A superior vigor rune the last time I checked was around 32k they would buy one from you for 26k when black dye hit 12k they were offering 8k. The merchants and materials NPC’s are just as bad.

If he agree'd to pay more than 5k for it, THAT is a scam.

Selling something for an agree'd ammount, however, regardless of current market value, is NOT a scam.