Well, NF looks great but there's 1 thing I really and I mean really start too hate and its getting that sunspear rank for "Old" char's. I am a bit "older" then the common gameplayer so my time is also precious. So why do I have too hop around doing, from my point seeing, useless quests ?
I mean, comon arenanet, after playing 1.5 year with my 4 base and 0.5 year with my 5 factions char ... I think I learned too play with them for now ...
Without blowing up I think I loose like 20 hours hopping around doing the same useless quests and then I didn't start my other char's in NF ...
Is this done too "stretch" the game or just, beside the AI, also nerf the players?
From my point it just spoils a beautiful campaign. Some will say: "Its for leveling your heroes" but they could give lvl20 heroes for "old school" char's. If I wanna see the hole game and want too lvl with heroes I simply start a new char (wich I have done cause I allways want too see 1 time the hole game)
Any1 else "nerfed" by this ?
Greets @ all from Belgium.
Irritating Sunspear rank for old char's ?
Vlaamse Leeuw
Gonzo
20 hours? Are you kidding me? 2.5k is done in a few hours with a "old" char, just do some quests, talk to all the priests and you're there. I find it less annoying and less time-consuming than the 10k faction grind in Factions.
maxpower
maybe less annoying but it still sucks 
nightfall does have more content than factions doesn't it? so why add this stupid grind to make the game appear longer
nightfall does have more content than factions doesn't it? so why add this stupid grind to make the game appear longer
Vlaamse Leeuw
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Originally Posted by Gonzo
20 hours? Are you kidding me? 2.5k is done in a few hours with a "old" char, just do some quests, talk to all the priests and you're there. I find it less annoying and less time-consuming than the 10k faction grind in Factions.
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Viruzzz
how does it appear longer? if you finish the game and just talk to a few priests and do just a tenth of the quests available you will get tons of sunspear points
Cacheelma
What does how long you've been playing GW have to do with anything?
Last time I check, I still have to play any games from the beginning NO MATTER how many times I've completed the last game in the series.
You can use your old chars in all GW games. Don't you think that's very good already?
Last time I check, I still have to play any games from the beginning NO MATTER how many times I've completed the last game in the series.
You can use your old chars in all GW games. Don't you think that's very good already?
-Loki-
Doing quests and getting bounties on the way, my Tyrian Monk got general in a couple of hours. It's not hard at all.
Emik
yup...
I've been 'strolling' around in Elona for a good 10 days now, no stress and got 4800+ sunspear points.
I didn't even break a sweat.
I've been 'strolling' around in Elona for a good 10 days now, no stress and got 4800+ sunspear points.
I didn't even break a sweat.
Tetris L
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I am a bit "older" then the common gameplayer so my time is also precious.
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So why do I have too hop around doing, from my point seeing, useless quests ?
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Psyks
Because you know they want you to play the game instead of getting someone to run you to all the missions.
Quests are part of the game. End of.
Quests are part of the game. End of.
Lyphen
Well, I'm "playing" through "Nightfall" with my "Canthan Mesmer" and it "really" didn't take me much time to "attain" the rank of "Sunspear General".
I did a few "quests" in Istan, but got alot of it through 2 or 3 full "clears" of "Arjkawhatever" near the "Sunspear Command Post". Doing the "bounties" is very easy, and also nets you quite a bit of "gold". I'd say it must have only taken 2 hours "total".
I did a few "quests" in Istan, but got alot of it through 2 or 3 full "clears" of "Arjkawhatever" near the "Sunspear Command Post". Doing the "bounties" is very easy, and also nets you quite a bit of "gold". I'd say it must have only taken 2 hours "total".
realoddsman
Try getting Sunspear general on ur 3rd and 4th character... Its boring as hell 
Rusty Deth
You know after reading this thread, it would be kind of cool if Factions had the same deal for getting luxxon and kurzick points.
I know they had other ways to gain faction besides quests and AB, but getting a little bit of faction for kills while PvEing would be cool.
Other than that I got a whole mess of Sunspear points just going skill capping all over the map, it added up quickly.
In fact just playing the game and getting the bounty's makes it an easy process. Hmm.
I know they had other ways to gain faction besides quests and AB, but getting a little bit of faction for kills while PvEing would be cool.
Other than that I got a whole mess of Sunspear points just going skill capping all over the map, it added up quickly.
In fact just playing the game and getting the bounty's makes it an easy process. Hmm.
Kelsey Cain
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Try getting Sunspear general on ur 3rd and 4th character... Its boring as hell
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If you don't want to play the game with more than one character don't create more than one. This has been discussed on another thread - Getting to general on a non elonian character merely requires you explore all the areas fully and take the quests as they become available.
There is no grind, in fact it has taken me longer playing my Nightfall characters (getting 1 point per kill) to get to captain than it did for my Tyrian characters (4 points per kill) to get to general.
Cacheelma
I don't think I'll ever understand people who make several characters, and then complain about how they don't have enough time to play them all/don't want to play the same game over and over with each of them.
Tell me, in which game could you be able to make a new character that has everything and can go to end-game simply because you've completed the game once? (Cheat in off-line games doesn't count, please)
Tell me, in which game could you be able to make a new character that has everything and can go to end-game simply because you've completed the game once? (Cheat in off-line games doesn't count, please)
Hades Tartarus
Can you imagine having to get all the skills needed for you heroes as well?
I think its a nice touch that they progress with you but the come full of skills from your previous hard work.
My guys already had elites when they where just lvl 3, and I had no skills to talk about lol.
I just made me a paragon to try out and a tank cause I love tanking but I will just bring all the others up to speed before I worry about a Dervish.
It's all good.
Quick progression would be more boring and you would always be looking for something new to do.
I think its a nice touch that they progress with you but the come full of skills from your previous hard work.
My guys already had elites when they where just lvl 3, and I had no skills to talk about lol.
I just made me a paragon to try out and a tank cause I love tanking but I will just bring all the others up to speed before I worry about a Dervish.
It's all good.
Quick progression would be more boring and you would always be looking for something new to do.
Hades Tartarus
Can you imagine having to get all the skills needed for you heroes as well?
I think its a nice touch that they progress with you but the come full of skills from your previous hard work.
My guys already had elites when they where just lvl 3, and I had no skills to talk about lol.
I just made me a paragon to try out and a tank cause I love tanking but I will just bring all the others up to speed before I worry about a Dervish.
It's all good.
Quick progression would be more boring and you would always be looking for something new to do.
I think its a nice touch that they progress with you but the come full of skills from your previous hard work.
My guys already had elites when they where just lvl 3, and I had no skills to talk about lol.
I just made me a paragon to try out and a tank cause I love tanking but I will just bring all the others up to speed before I worry about a Dervish.
It's all good.
Quick progression would be more boring and you would always be looking for something new to do.
Ebony Shadowheart
Whenever you go questing make sure you talk to priests so you can get the 'hunt's. Kill the creatures for that hunt will earn you sunspear points. I've only spent maybe 8 hours playing NF (on and off) and I'm only like 1k points away from Cestallan or whatever the rank is at 7500 points. I don't feel any grind at all, but maybe thats because I like to go out and kill stuff and clear map (I'm playing on my Tyrian monk btw....a healing monk that likes to kill, seems like an oxymoron dont it?). I also don't mind that I will have to do this for every character either, I have to clear the map anyway. *shrug*
Oh and realoddsman, try getting the title on 40 characters.
Oh and realoddsman, try getting the title on 40 characters.
makosi
I wish Sunspear points were account-wide. I have 10 PvE chars in total so I'll have to spend about 20-25 hours in total getting them all up to 2.5k points if I want them to get through the game and cap their respective profession elite skills.
aubee
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Why do you have more than one character then?
If you don't want to play the game with more than one character don't create more than one. This has been discussed on another thread - Getting to general on a non elonian character merely requires you explore all the areas fully and take the quests as they become available. There is no grind, in fact it has taken me longer playing my Nightfall characters (getting 1 point per kill) to get to captain than it did for my Tyrian characters (4 points per kill) to get to general. |
Diablo???
Sunspear points are all over the places...
Kha
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I find it less annoying and less time-consuming than the 10k faction grind in Factions.
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Soulstryke
I never seemed to have to grind for Luxon or Kurzick faction but I can see where you're at with Balt faction, even with the new double points.
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20 hours? Are you kidding me? 2.5k is done in a few hours with a "old" char, just do some quests, talk to all the priests and you're there. I find it less annoying and less time-consuming than the 10k faction grind in Factions.
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Sidra
edit- compeltely ignorant and inaccurate post XD.
Age
I really hate this to when i could be doing other things as well.Leave the ascended ones one out.
technician
Funny thing is I stopped playing there . It feels so unnessecary to me to have to gather so many points. Feels like a filler in a TV series . I'm not complaining though but I agree with TC . I don't have much time to waste now due to college running around getting points . Maybe it's not even getting the points that's annoying but more that it's boring and a waste of time. As for 10k in factions I didn't mind because it was fun doing those Luxon vs Kurzick battles . The faction could aslo be used for Amber as well which was money and I didn't mind that also. Plus faction was spread out through all your characters .
Moa Bird Cultist
Seriously. Lightbringer - try maxing that on all your characters then say sunspear's hard
Hollerith
My Tyrian/Canthan characters will explore/play the game when they go off searching for elites, collectors, challenge missions, or skill merchants. Forcing me to grind sunspear points is a frustrating distraction.
lightblade
I'm going for Spearmarshal. hope i don't get err7 before i get there
cloudbunny
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I wish Sunspear points were account-wide. I have 10 PvE chars in total so I'll have to spend about 20-25 hours in total getting them all up to 2.5k points if I want them to get through the game and cap their respective profession elite skills.
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Lightbringer points are a bit different though
Regards,
Cloudbunny
draxynnic
You know, one thing that struck me...
To reach the point in the campaign where Tyrian/Canthan characters enter, Elonian characters have to reach a certain rank - Captain, I believe. However, Tyrian/Canthan characters still have the same responsibility in Consulate Docks as their Elonian equivalents - so wouldn't it make sense for foreigners to be promoted directly to that rank on entering the campaign?
Another thing that was raised earlier this thread: Ascension, especially from Prophecies, really should be worth something. Ascended characters did succeed at something that one of, if not the greatest hero of Elona failed at, after all.
To reach the point in the campaign where Tyrian/Canthan characters enter, Elonian characters have to reach a certain rank - Captain, I believe. However, Tyrian/Canthan characters still have the same responsibility in Consulate Docks as their Elonian equivalents - so wouldn't it make sense for foreigners to be promoted directly to that rank on entering the campaign?
Another thing that was raised earlier this thread: Ascension, especially from Prophecies, really should be worth something. Ascended characters did succeed at something that one of, if not the greatest hero of Elona failed at, after all.
kazjun
If you just want to get a quick boost, then sure, give all foreigners captain. But if you think about it, a lvl 3 could get run to LA with ease. Does that mean they should be captain too? And as for ascension, any monkey could do it. From LA to Sanctum is easy, then its straight to the desert missions. I'm pretty sure there are people around who have ascended below lvl 5. And its even easier for factions. You could hench it and hide out the back while your lvl 20 henches chew the celestials up.
Plus if you think about it, some stranger jumps off the boat and asks to join your order. Sure, you've heard of him and you seen him beat down demons in LA or Kaineng. But what do you really know about him? Enough to make him a general ahead of locals you've trained and adventured with? Plus the other sunspears, what do they think of just some stranger being promoted ahead of them. If they've seen you around Istan fighting for the order and training with them then they can respect that. Some stranger just show up with nothing more than a rep and they're supposed to just follow blindly?
I got no complaints with having to get ranks. Just training up my heroes and their pets, and traveling from town to town I got like 5k sunspear points. No quests other than missions and primary quests done, so its not like its hard to do. Plus, a lvl 20 and a well planned bunch of heroes can kill pretty much anything very quick. Trust me, you'll soon have more points than you know what to do with.
Plus if you think about it, some stranger jumps off the boat and asks to join your order. Sure, you've heard of him and you seen him beat down demons in LA or Kaineng. But what do you really know about him? Enough to make him a general ahead of locals you've trained and adventured with? Plus the other sunspears, what do they think of just some stranger being promoted ahead of them. If they've seen you around Istan fighting for the order and training with them then they can respect that. Some stranger just show up with nothing more than a rep and they're supposed to just follow blindly?
I got no complaints with having to get ranks. Just training up my heroes and their pets, and traveling from town to town I got like 5k sunspear points. No quests other than missions and primary quests done, so its not like its hard to do. Plus, a lvl 20 and a well planned bunch of heroes can kill pretty much anything very quick. Trust me, you'll soon have more points than you know what to do with.