NF draining your money reserves?

JoeKnowMo

JoeKnowMo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2005

Wessst Siiide, USA

Mo/

Rather long, so bear w me

It's pretty expensive to get a character through a new campaign: skills, armor, weapons, and runes will set you back quite a bit. However, NF is a lot more expensive than past campaigns.

The hero system and the the armor insignia system are the two main reasons.

Most pve'rs went for the +energy armors in past campaigns. However, now u need to buy a radiant insignia (5k?) for each piece of armor to get the same effect.

Then, if you want your heroes to be at their best, you have to buy them runes for their armor which gets pricey. Their weapons aren't expensive if you just use collector stuff (wands, offhands, and shields). But warrior and ranger weapons and staves from collectors come w/o mods, so u have to spend a bit on a cheap green or non-max mods.

If you'd like your heroes to have insignias on their armor, that will set you back a good amount as well.

If you put a major vigor rune on each hero and get them runes and insignias as well as good weapons, your looking at spending around 10k per hero. With 15 heroes that works out to 150k. If you want to outfit them really well with max everything, then you're looking at about 20k to 50k per hero.

Only the dedicated farmers can afford to do this. I thought GW was about money not making a difference in performance, only in terms of looks. But the new system makes it so that the uber rich can outift their heroes with sup vigs, radiant or survivor insignias, and max stats weapons. Those extra HP and energy and perfect weapons do make a difference which doesn't seem fair to me.

I'm thinking of outfitting one character's heroes pretty well and leaving it at that. The rest of my characters' heroes won't get much. I just don't think that having large amounts of money should mean better performance in a game like GW. It seems antithetical to their original views on accomodating the casual player (or players that don't like to farm).

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

The biggest hit to my funds was buying new skills (curse you, UAS addiction!), and armor. New chapters always do that though, so I had a decent amount saved.

I don't think large amounts of funds matters too much - my heroes are equipped in chest-dropped items and minor runes, and I certainly don't need white dyed 15k to complete the game. Especially as PvP characters are so much more complete now, more money is only a slight advantage in PvE - where it is barely noticeable, in my opinion.

Knightsaber Sith

Knightsaber Sith

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Aug 2006

Few Fallen Heroes [FFH]

W/E

Well I got through all of Nightfall without teaming with any real people. All my heroes use GOTY bonus weapons and random junk drops; none of them have any runes or insignias. If I can do just fine like this, I'm not bothering spending any cash on them

I spent about 106k on my dervish armor and 31k on a green scythe (once I can catch the seller online..). I don't intend to buy any other new armors and although I too like to UAS; I usually don't do it til right before the next campaign comes out so I got time to get more money.

perfect

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2005

All your Heroes need is the scraps you pick up.

cointerm

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

Then, if you want your heroes to be at their best, you have to buy them runes for their armor which gets pricey.
If you want something, you're going to pay for it. You don't need to leet-out your Heroes. You can do fine with collector gear and salvaged insignia. If you find runes along the way, that's a bonus. I haven't touched storage, and all my Heroes are runeless. I'm fine with that.

I understand your point, that rich people will have a slight advantage, but we're not competing here. If somebody wants to spend 150K on henchies, that's their business, and of no concern to me.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

Quote:
Originally Posted by perfect
All your Heroes need is the scraps you pick up.

Ahh yes... but what they want...

KurtTheBehemoth

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

tubbyville

Kurt's Royal Guardians

Mo/E

What's 200k when you have 1.5 million in savings.


farming in your spare time pays off when new chapters come out.

Psyks

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Nov 2005

Xen Of Onslaught

W/E

I actualy have 9K more than when I started, haven't farmed or done any running (chest or no)

Why have I spent so little? because I have taking advantage of how the collectors are now labled on the map. Previously both campaigns I started late so the economy was back to balance, the surge in players buying EVERYTHING for new characters and heros has caused a massive surge in the economy forcing almost everything through the roof.

As for skills, well I only buy skills I will actualy use. So I have only bought about 7 skills so far.

Has this made the game more difficult for me? Not really, I have reached level 20 and have only died three times.

carbajac

carbajac

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Medicine Cabinet [PILL]

E/

I feel you Joe. Preach on.

SirJackassIII

SirJackassIII

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

Belgium

none

N/E

Down 60ish k after buying a 15k set, also gained a lot of money so far.
Seem a few Solospots already, so I'll need to bring a char over and complete certain parts of the game for more money...
Biggest chunk will be getting UAS, and also Skill Hunter title on my Ranger. Think Anet should lower the cost of skills through PvE as well after they double the Balthasar Faction gain in PvP...

jimmy_logic

jimmy_logic

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

R/

I spent around 100k on all my heroes... bought them all green stuff or crafted blue weapons (<10k and outfitted them with runes since your not gonna chop and change them its a worthwhile spend if you you happen to use heroes to micro manage (its hard but easier if you can make your primary character sort of a minimal character that you can set to target and forget).
The heaviest cost was the price of runes... most weapons I already had from my other characters.

Zinger314

Zinger314

Debbie Downer

Join Date: May 2006

N/Me

Two Words: Vabbi Armor.

Had 400k in storage. Only 200k now.

Snowman

Snowman

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

Wales, UK

Devils Scorpions

W/E

I like spending money

-Loki-

-Loki-

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by perfect
All your Heroes need is the scraps you pick up.
They don't even need that. I was in Vabbi I think before I realised Koss still was fighting with a Starter Sword and Shield.

akh

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

Europe

FTW

A/E

Actually I'm around +100k than before NF. Spent ~45k on skills, standard Elonian armor (imo the only armor that looks good on male para). I got everything back by selling 2 endgame scythes.

Nevin

Nevin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by perfect
All your Heroes need is the scraps you pick up.
Same policy I have, if I don't find it. THey don't get it.

fatmouse

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Down about 200k but I've bought two sets of primeval, black dye, and opened about 100 chests.

ectospasm

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

i pimped out my heros with greens and golds i had aquired over the last 5 months. i give them loot runes that i salvage, i sell the rest to the rune trader or give to guildies. as for my Dervish, he is totally spoiled.

10 starter armor, 55 armor, 1.5k elonian, 15k elite sunspear, Vabbi gem armor.

had some gems saved, bought runes when they were in stock and cheap, bought a few gems, 2 black dye (elite sunspear hood & skirt, brown shoes, green/blue vest, red arms), 4 white dye (Vabbi hood, shoes, vest, arms). used green, red and brown dye i had already.

Started out with right around 500-526k. Now i have like 260k.


havent bothered with trying to farm any in the old campaigns while playing thru nightfall since the nerfs. im not an ecto or black dye hoarder and i dont buy n sell 24-7. made all i got over a 3-4 month period of total solo & duo farming with a couple of sells here and there.

exiled mat

exiled mat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

The netherlands > friesland > balk

[JAMM] Justified Ancients of Moo Moo

E/Me

I had 50K at the start of nightfall, but atm i have only 40K left...
I've bought a max dervish armor (just one of those 1K things) and a few skills, but it drains my money very fast... i don't even have all insignia's yet (only those which i salvaged)

My heroes are still whacking around with some random stuff i've found on the ground...

Why can't we simple have the "pvp equipment creator" but then for heroes?
And no one would have to search/buy the perfect equipment, but it would be customized to them

Kidney Licker

Kidney Licker

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Europe Server

I actually thought I was making money just playing the game normally in Nightfall. I'm selling all of my insignias and runes to the trader and making a tidy sum. Even elite skill capping and opening chests hasn't dented my stash. I wasted all of my hero skill points on useless skills but now that I know I can use them to buy free skills for my character I won't even need to spend cash for my primary now.

I want to craft new armour sometime but by the time I get room in inventory I expect insignais and such to be a lot cheaper. My heroes just get all of the junk and greens from Tyria and Factions lying around inventory.

Solar_Takfar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

on the contrary, NF launch and the halloween event have bloated my money reserves considerably. I haven't even finished the game, have a full set of sunspear 15k for my dervish, and my storage has more money now than I ever imagined it would. All I had to do was be a bit creative with buying and selling and do a lot of questing.

As for heroes yes, they only get the stuff that I find and don't want for myself. Even then, when I find an insignia I don't want I sell it rather than giving it to them, since insignia prices are so bloated now.

Xeeron

Xeeron

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2006

Strike Force

All it takes is a bit of timing. I actually have more gold now that before NF started. My heroes dont get super l33t armor right away and their weapons are either old greens I had in my inventory, random drops or collectors. Once the prices settle down in a month or two, they will get better stuff, till then I make money selling.

- Xeeron

doinchi

doinchi

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Singapore

Sheperd of Souls

W/Mo

Heros have cost me alot of my money, but I don't outfit all of them. I just use 3 of them alot and make sure they are well equipped. Collector items and greens are my main source of Hero weaponry. The way I see it, I dont need them, they just ocme in useful from time to time. If you cant afford to outfit all of them, outfit maybe 3 of the most versatile heros or PUG it or use the improved henches.

One the other hand, the insignias have made all the aspects of getting new armour and equipping Heros a daunting task. I prefer the Factions armour system.

Siren

Siren

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2005

Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

I'm actually coming out ahead. I've had the same amount of gold in storage now as I did before NF. My paragon was the first Elonian character I created, and he's doing just fine. He's still on the starter island, at level 15, with some 6.5k gold, just from drops and merch food. No farming, either. Just straight missions, quests, and exploring.

I only buy the skills I absolutely need/want, and I only bought my paragon chest and leggings armor. Everything else is collector or starter gear. I've been using the fiery sunspear pre-order weapon, and my heroes either use the soulbreaker pre-order wep, or just random crap I find. Runes and insignias? Screw my heroes. lol. I'll eventually go for minor runes for them, maybe majors. But I don't think the heroes are really worth superior runes, especially considering that they're stupid enough as it is. -75 health is not good for them. lol

One thing I've noticed is that you can make at least double your money through the inscriptions. You get an absurd number of battle medallions throughout the starter island. I just trade them in for an expert salvage kit every now and again, and ID every blue and purple item I get. I expert salvage the inscriptions (flat 25 gold back from the merch for each), and usually manage to keep the weapon, which can also be sold back. From each weapon+inscription, I usually net 30-45 gold (more if there were more inscriptions I snagged off of it), which is just a little bit under what you'd get from a Grenth's Footprint walkabout.

So yes. My paragon has been completely independent so far, and I don't foresee any immediate strain in the future, even when I reach the mainland. There's going to come a point on the starter island when I just don't need gold anymore, so that'll just speed up the accumulation and get me a nice, comfy buffer when I hit the mainland.

thelessa

thelessa

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Texas

Purple Puzycats

R/Mo

I think that if I make another char. in Nightfall, I will just run her over to Factions to get the armor (1.5k) there, rather then try and outfit the 1k armor in Nightfall.

RuPee

RuPee

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

Los Angeles, CA

[RoD]

Mo/

i took advantage of the increased green drop weekend to outfit my heroes. i basically farmed what i could and traded the extra greens for greens i couldnt get.

as for runes and insignias, i mostly use the drops i get. and if i really wanted a rune i would just get majors.

Tmm Ryan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2005

Plkn

iv taken the game slowly... exploring 100% of elona and opening all chests and doing all quests.

Just got to Bone Palace and im at 90% and i have actually made 20k. i have spent at least 20k on signet of captures + fully runed up and equipped my heros with chest gold drops.

so if anything, im making money from nightfall .

baz777

baz777

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

South East England

Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
Two Words: Vabbi Armor.

Had 400k in storage. Only 200k now.
Did the same with my Ele last night. That '5k' armour sure works out expensive

Trying to equipe Hero's with cheap greens or crafter items

I have promosed myself to only have one new character in NF, (4 new one's in Factions cost me a fortune).

Maxiemonster

Maxiemonster

There is no spoon.

Join Date: Jun 2005

Netherlands

Mo/

4 Superior Vigor Runes (me, Koss, Dunkoro and Master of Whispers), 10K Acients armor, a shitload of insignias, a couple of other superior and minor runes...

I guess it's not nothing, but it's not as bad as it could've been.

Lyphen

Lyphen

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2006

Well, not really. I haven't been outfitting my Heroes at all. They're doing fine as they are. But if I do, it'll be collector staves and such.

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

Welll my biggest hit was the haloween items:P.

xuemin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

E/Mo

i'm actually making money rather losing it (+20-30k so far and on penultimate mission despite having spent about 10-15k on skills).. but then i've been focusing on getting my ele from Tyria through NF and have yet to make a real start on an Elonian char. though i've already decided that any elonian chars i make with have to make-do with collector items till they prove their worth for the more expensive stuff.

i haven't bothered getting anything for my heros unless it drops for me, and even then, i haven't bothered giving them the runes i find >.>

at the end f the day, it's probably because i'm actually a cheap git ^^;;;

Shadis

Shadis

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Nope, the Shing Jea Boardwalk event and my uncontrollable need to gamble took care of that nicely.

Mr_T_bot

Mr_T_bot

Banned

Join Date: Apr 2006

My heroes are wielding my collected greens or a spiritbinder.

Quote:
What I'd like to see is unlocked skills costing a set 100 gold across all characters.
Skills used to cost less to buy then Arena Net decided they didn't have enough casual player hurting changes and switched it to cap off at 1k.

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zinger314
Two Words: Vabbi Armor.

Had 400k in storage. Only 200k now.
You're not lieing there. If I hadn't saved up as many rubies and sapphires pre-NF... I would be hurting now.

I've actually found no money issues thus far. Just playing through and being sure to do all the quests I get has given me far more than I would normally need to get the "normal" armor and crafted weapons (or collector ones). It's when you get to Vabbi and see the cost of the armor there, you bank account cringes. - true you don't need that armor, but a staple of PvE play and enjoyment is "looking good" while kicking butt and taking names, so obviously people that play that way and like the Vabbi armor will be getting it as soon as they can.

FalconDance

FalconDance

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Sep 2005

...deep within the sylvan splendor...

Order of the Migrating Coconuts [ALBA]

I've tucked more money away so far than spent (and that's with three characters in NF). My heros have either found or crafted weapons (crafted in the beginning).

They don't get insignias or runes on their armor -- I figure they take their share of the loot, let them buy their own!

Also, (unless there are significant perks other than vanity) I don't plan to upgrade my armors every time it's available just because I can. Most of the upper scale armor I think is fugly, so no gold will be wasted.

So, overall, NF has actually increased the coffers thus far.

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

My heroes get weapons that I find from playing, anything that meets their req. The only insignias they get are ones that I find on dropped armour.

I have more money now than before NF.

If I had to get all my heroes for each character perfect stuff like my characters have, I just couldn't play it. Too much of a grind, and it already is quite a grind. But apparantly from the fact that the nerf to farming was complained about so much, people like to grind.

Sanji

Sanji

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Mo/

Though raising up funds is kinda slow going for me, the thing that bothers me the most about Heroes is the prospect that not only are they expensive, but they also make desirable items harder to find.

I think the way outfitting Heroes is now in PvE should be rethought. There ought to be alternate avenues of runes, weapon mods, and insignias for them. Giving Heroes free reign in the PvP item creation window would be too much, but something like that with a redeemable point system could help soften the blow of gearing your Heroes up across multiple characters. It should remain a timesink, but a market draining moneysink...not so much.

WasAGuest

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by FalconDance
They don't get insignias or runes on their armor -- I figure they take their share of the loot, let them buy their own!
I've often wondered where they put the drops and cash they steal... that stuff should be useable by them rather than further dipping into the players bank... that or have the heroes stop taking drops (a prospect I don't care for).

Quote:
Originally Posted by FalconDance
Also, (unless there are significant perks other than vanity) I don't plan to upgrade my armors every time it's available just because I can. Most of the upper scale armor I think is fugly, so no gold will be wasted.
QFT, most armor in Nightfall is pretty ugly. A few classes of Vabbi(an) aren't bad; but at the stupid price of the mats for them... I had enough gems to get one set of armor for one character. I would love for a few others to get that armor as well, but in no way paying that price for gems. Thusly, those characters (the ones I want Vabbi armor for) will not be playing through Nightfall (no point - they already have what they need) untill either the drops on those increase ten fold, or the price is fixed to be less ridiculous.

I see it like the dumb 100k+ecto market. Might have good looking stuff there, but I refuse to take part in such a broken economy and will stop playing when such goals are all that's left.

Desires

Desires

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

A/

Luckly I rushed a bit so got my vabbi 100kish *dances*