Build: Rt/N Nightfall minion bomber

Whats the benefit of MB on a Rit primary? Minions are simple a means to do damage through Nova and Putrid Flesh, you don't need them to last, you need them to die, Spawning becomes useless. And Jagged Bones MB is far, far superior...

^ More damage from explosive growth.

It remains to be seen whether you would get more damage from 16 Spawn or 16 Death. What I really miss on a Rit is Soul Reaping.

To the OP. You should try jagged bones in your build. It might trigger Explosive Growth as well.

Jagged bones is ok, but you lose the targetted destruction of minions and energy mangement of reclaim essesnce, which means you have to go back to boon of creation.

I love spirit's gift, and casting 3 enchantments every 60 seconds tends to get tedious.

Also spirit's gift and reclaim essence are Spawning, so 16 in that means more healing and energy.

The increased health from spawning to minions isn't a problem when level 10 minions are facing level 24 baddies.

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Ok, it looks like there's an argument regarding this style of build that goes in 2 directions. For the sake of argument, let's face them off and see what comes out.

Assume 16 spawning and 12 death in both cases. If someone has a good Necro minion bomber build for comparrison, feel free to chime in.

Build 1.

Animate Bone Minions (ABM)
Animate Shambling Horror (ASH)
Reclaim Essence (RE) {Nightfall Elite}
Death Nova (DN)
Spirit's Gift (SG)
Explosive Growth (EG)
Blood of the Master (BotM)
Flesh of my flesh (FomF)

Build 2.

Animate Bone Minions
Animate Shambling Horror
Jagged Bones (JB) {Nightfall Elite}
Death Nova
Spirit's Gift
Explosive Growth
Boon of Creation (BoC)
Blood of the Master
Flesh of my flesh

(this is 9 skills, one would have to go, probably FomF. It is listed with the others for comparrison.)

Ok, the issues at hand are: Energy management, damage, healing, condition removal, targetted destruction of minions, and whatever else I have forgotten.

The premise with build 1 is that you go into battle with SG and EG, summon a horror or pair of minions, cast death nova on it, let it engage in melee and then kill it off and reclaim a tub of energy with RE.

Build 2 works in a similar way, except that 3 enchantments must be cast to be as effective, SG, EG and BoC. When a minion is summoned, energy regeneration from BoC is immediate, rather than reclaiming it directly from RE. Assuming that you get 2 doses of energy from BoC, regardless of whether you use minions or horrors, you will get 12 energy, where as you get 21 from 16 spawning RE. You only get 16 energy net from it, because although you gain 21, it costs 5, but BoC costs 10 too, so there's some balance there. Using JB, you will get 18 energy from a shambling horror, 6 on birth, and 12 from when 2 jagged horrors are born from JB, at an additional cost of 5 for JB.

I would also add, that running this build with just ASH and no ABM is suicide, with ASH's huge recycle time. If you run ABM and no ASH, then you don't get 2 jagged horrors from one shambling horror. That might be ok, because on one hand with ASH only, you could cast DN+JB on shambling horror, wait for it to die, DN both the jagged horrors, wait for them to die, then summon a new shambling horror. On the other hand, with just ABM, you summon 2 bone minions, cast JG+DN on each and repeat as necessary.

There is also no targetted minion destruction in this build, so you would have to drop FomF or SG for Taste of Death or something to directly manage minion destruction.

Also, there is the additional question of enchantment management. If you face anything that strips enchantments, your energy management goes out the window. The down time of BoC is 45, half that with a lucky half cast staff. RE has a recycle time of 5 seconds and produces more energy.

Chime in, please.

The silence is deafening.

I guess this build isn't so bad after all.

Given the complete lack of critisism, contructive or otherwise, I'm going to assume no one has any further debate on the matter.

Enjoy the build.

Necromancer Minion bomber,

Well I think Reclaim Essence works wit a necromancer too, you can think RE witout points gives only 5 but remember Soul reaper, at lvl 12 you will win 12+5 for the RE

16 Death
12 Soul Reaper

Animate Bone Minions
Animate Shambling Horror
Reclaim Essence {Nightfall Elite}
Death Nova
Blood of the Master

Think this have to work fine... you wait for first corpses, then summon minions, nova then RE and KABOOM lot of dmg and lot of energy for you

You can add some Resurection skills like the resurrection signet or Flesh of my Flesh, and some direct dmg skills DMG skills.

Sure wit necro as primary Explosive Growth is useless but you can have 10 minions so will be more dmg ....

Probably not a bad build, but you would be better off with signet of lost souls for your energy management and taste of death for your targetted minion destruction if you are running necromancer primary. Besides, as a necro primary running 12 soul reaping your energy management won't be problem.

Yea Signet of the lost souls will help alot thx but taste of death is random mob thats why reclaim essence is that good because you kill the minion when you want