Runner scam

waingro

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

If someone says they are running and you pay upfront right and then they leave can you report them becuase I did and nothing happened to the guy he still talks to me i sent screenshots do they not deal with runners or runner problems?

Hockster

Hockster

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2005

Take it up with support.
guildwars.com>support

waingro

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

did nothing happens they said they don't deal with runners

Spader

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2006

W/Mo

Not using the refrence i should.

When you have a pizza delivered do you pay over the phone? The runner is both the beatter and driver delivering you the pizza/ custermer. Always pay them when they get to your door not leaving the shop.

G_MAGNUS

G_MAGNUS

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

La Legion Del Dragon [LD]

W/

Doesn't sound right, but you do need all the proper info for them to check on it. You need the name, time, place (including district). They can check the logs to see if it might have been a one time thing or if its a trend for that player (or at least it used to be something they did check, but haven't heard that they stopped this tipe of reporting). They will not however, tell you what steps they took. They might have just sent him a warning if it was a one time thing, could've been a temporary lockout, and so on.

waingro

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

so not going to get this guy banned huh

Shady Rome

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

They must be idiot's

Riken Chrono

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

around the corner and up the block

Hero

dont pay upfront. Dont trust anyone.

waingro

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

yeah but is there any story of a sucessfull ban on someone like that

Sergio Leone

Sergio Leone

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2005

Dallas, TX

The International Terrorists [USA]

W/Mo

I'm sure there have been. There used to be tons of scammers in the game. I don't know what the run was but typically the runners setup a way to pay throughout the run. So unless it's an official runner (A runner from guilds like LBS and such) or someone who has a thread (that is quite full and has good responses) I wouldn't pay upfront. If you do decide to pay upfront, ask for some collateral. If the runner is a runner you can trust he will have something of value to give as collateral or offer him your full armor (useless to them) until the end of the run and that way, they have collateral to make sure you will pay then both parties have some certainty.

Hephaestus Ram

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jun 2005

None

W/E

As far as I've seen, the game developers don't support runners
or being run, it's a transaction strictly between the runner and
the runee.

Tachyon

Tachyon

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

Stoke, England

The Godless [GOD]

W/

Simple solution! Don't be a mug and pay up front, it's not that difficult a concept to understand.

$hade.

$hade.

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2005

Canada

[FiRM[]

R/

Always be careful, maybe pay half and half or just pay all before you get through the last gate.

I've only been scammed once and it wasn't really a scam. He lagged out but he gave my money back .

Kook~NBK~

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2005

A little chalet outside Drok's

Natural Born Killaz

NEVER PAY UP FRONT! Respectable, honest runners will never ask you to. That scam has been around since running became popular waaaayyyyy back when. All you can do is take the SS's and report the bum to a-net.

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

As for him getting in Trouble...Probably wont happen. Saddly. Not really Anet's fault per say, theres just really too much shady business going on and they have to prioritize what they deal with.

That doesn't need you shouldnt report though.

Rich_Izy

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

Mo/A

not unless you buy a run in the service forums

I've paid upfront and experienced no scams at all

Xceran

Xceran

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Sweden

nwo

R/

*edited*

Thought about my post for a while, and realized how stupid it was, so I deleted it again since it didn´t bring anything new to the discussion.

spiritofdead

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2006

Mo/W

Never pay anyone upfront for anything, you should best expected that this person will run away with your golds.

Deadly Eyezz

Academy Page

Join Date: Oct 2006

Getting scamed is your fault.

Sofonisba

Sofonisba

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2005

Tucson, AZ

The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deadly Eyezz
Getting scamed is your fault.
Yeah, um, no.

There are certain things you can do to prevent being scammed, but getting scammed is the scammer's fault, not yours.

We lock the door on our house. But if we forget one day, and someone goes in and steals our computer and our cookie jar, is the thief excused?

It's stupid/irresponsible to leave your house unlocked, but a thief is a thief. Period.

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

Running is the part of the game.

/sarcasm

Lirael Abhorsen

Lirael Abhorsen

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2005

Daphne

We Are Virgins [Nerd]

A/W

whenever i used to run people i always offered them to chance to pay upfront, i NEVER once ripped anyone off. if they lagged out or if i dropped from the game i would always add them to friends and offer them a run at a later time. i would occasionally get the players wouldnt pay and leave before they payed and such. it just goes to show how dishonest people can be. if you're going to run a business why not be professional and be honest with them.

derrtyboy69

derrtyboy69

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2005

The Clouds

Scars Meadows [SMS]

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofonisba
Yeah, um, no.

There are certain things you can do to prevent being scammed, but getting scammed is the scammer's fault, not yours.

We lock the door on our house. But if we forget one day, and someone goes in and steals our computer and our cookie jar, is the thief excused?

It's stupid/irresponsible to leave your house unlocked, but a thief is a thief. Period.
Someone breaking into your house is not willingly giving them your money under a belief they wont rip you off, which happens in a scam. A scam is the scammers fault, and the dumbass that gave thme the money.

Bloodied Blade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lirael Abhorsen
whenever i used to run people i always offered them to chance to pay upfront, i NEVER once ripped anyone off. if they lagged out or if i dropped from the game i would always add them to friends and offer them a run at a later time. i would occasionally get the players wouldnt pay and leave before they payed and such. it just goes to show how dishonest people can be. if you're going to run a business why not be professional and be honest with them.
Same here. I actually had someone join one of my runs (elona reach) and threaten not to deliver the last crystal unless they all paid him. In response I just refunded anyone who had already paid and did the run again... the same guy got on his monk (you think I would've recognized the guild tag) and tried to ruin the guy again. This time I just said "f this, guys the run is free, pay if you wish". Actually made like 8 times my normal profit from people paying double and triple out of feeling sorry...

To the OP: You really shouldn't pay up front if they force you to, that often means that they are just scamming you (in the forums here it is unlikely to happen because we have enough proof to likely ban them). Take the advice from someone who knows- Always pay at a reliable point in the run, never pay in advance unless you can assure completion of the service, and whenever possible pay at the end. The exception to paying at the end of the run is if they already have a pre-agreed upon point to pay at, otherwise it seems like *you* are the one scamming *them*.

Regards,

Blade

llsektorll

llsektorll

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Toronto, Canada

R/

I loved running people... the only run i did which earned me around 600k because i did it like a hundred times is the dunes of dispair run... and on that one people would scam me out of not paying... some people have faith but others are very stubber you never know what kind of customer you will get.... sometimes its hard to trust even the customer... because if they dont pay its like 35mins wasted.

MegaMouse

MegaMouse

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

south mississippi

Warriors Of Melos WOM

E/N

First rule for getting a run to anywhere: NEVER PAY UPFRONT, make some other arrangements to the runner if they are confident in their abilities they may come to a compromise. Second: always pay the runner for his time, some of these runners are very good due to practice reward them for their effort. Third: don't expect a runner to get you where you want to go in the first try, sometimes even they die due to a bad spawn.

When reporting a scammer you need to know several things: the time it happened, the district that it happened in, what town, and a screenshot of the transaction wouldn't hurt. and anything that they had to say within a screenshot. NC-Soft will and does go after scammers so dont give up. Just let them do their jobs and when the person at fault is caught then they will know that their behavior is wrong.

Mega Mouse

rong626

Banned

Join Date: Jul 2006

hell

Woot

P/W

Ppl who run away after u run them are all noobs poor nubs