Favor system needs to be changed!

So true. They need to come up with ways to make accessing the elite areas highly rewarding for people who did something extra to get there, instead of just punishing people who casually play by making it harder for them to get into the elite areas whenever they have time available to go there.

For FoW and UW, it's retarded that PvP controls access to who gets in there, why not get rid of that and make it so that you have to beat Prophecies or Factions or Nightfall to get in. Or make some new really hard quest you have to do (a la Titan Quests) to gain entrance. Or make a new zone you have to pass though and kill all the monsters, before you can actually get down to the FoW or UW and the ectos and shards. Anything new, other than the Alliance of Faction Farming system, would make more sense.

Give 10 free urgoz or deep keys per day to every alliance member who is holding HzH or Cavalon. Or free entrance to the elite area while everyone else has to pay. Or a cut of the entrance fees gained by everyone who went in. Anything other than closing out access to everyone but 1,000 people, the system they have now is incredibly unreasonable.

I doubt they will ever get rid of PvP Favor as the access control system for FoW and UW, but they really do need to get around to fixing the ridiculously restrictive Alliance of Faction Farming system that controls access to Urgoz and The Deep. It's nice that someone brought up the issue again, ANet seems to have forgotten their promise to change at least the Factions access system.

I agree. While, in the interest of story and "why" it works, it makes sense, it doesn't make sense realistically. Winning in PvP = PvE access. This doesn't make sense, proven by the Go-Red-Engine who posted the PvE scrub comment. Most serious PvPers don't play PvE.

Also, general consensus between most high-level PvPers I know is that Fame is meaningless. So, PvPers don't really get anything out of it besides Hall chest drops. There should be some way for PvE-ers who suck at PvP (myself included) to gain Favor or somehow open access to the Realms for their party.

That being said I don't see it changing anytime soon.

Ok no one mentioned it before, but, what about Japan and Korea, I dont think Japan had favor since there realese, and Korea did not have it for a long time. Feel lucky you can still have a chance of getting in FoW/UW, even if its not often we get favor. And no I'm not from Japan or Korea, I'm on the americain server.

Further reason why the system as-is is ridiculously unfair. I'd honestly love to hear some rational justification, but I fear there isn't any.

Good point, I had actually forgotten about them. Taiwan too. I have seen Japan with favor, actually during peak time where I live, and it was because of Wee Free Men.

They have it a lot worse than America...I wonder if they complain as much as us?

Pah! When GW started the first 4 months it was America and Korea that had 90% of Favor. Players in Europe were desperate. When did it change? It changed after Anet nerfed the monk 50 build. Than players lost interest and that's why Europe now has favor much more.
Back than I thought it unfair when Europe hardly had favor. Now I dont even bother entering UW/FoW anymore. And I dont even have the armor lol.

Just, no.

true I hate it from day one, and still remember how europe used to have it at best half an hour per day for the 6 first months.
That's one of the reason that made me move to the US servers.

nice thing i don't really feel like doing UW/FoW now.

Btw, if the reason why they put the 3 servers changes limit for the whole lifetime of our accounts is the favor, it's one more reason to want it changed.

I wouldnt be suprised to see them selling server transfers on the online store its going to be right next to the buy 100k for just $9.99. Just wait I bet it will happen

ok i think you complete dont understand what your talking about and you didnt read the EULA.

1. You are NOT entitled to any benefits/content anet isnt aspecially providing to you.
2. FOW and UW are optional contents which are based on a competitive system and thats also part of the game.
3. You CAN ask for a special content but you can NOT demand (want) any content that anet is providing optionally.

-> so FOW / UW are optional content as you can see because you dont need it to proceed in any part of the game

thats about the rules.

and for the other arguments:

a PVP system unlocks the PVE area ?
-> did you ever read the game when playing it through ? if you did you would have seen what favor to pve and pvp have to do with eachother.

So you must ackknowledge that europe earns the favour because they do something for it.

-> solution:

So if you really want to go FOW / UW there is only 2 ways:

1) practice PVP and make america be in favour more often
2) make your guildwars account an "european" account...think you can switch it a few times.

greetings

so then according to the eula anet scammed me by not including the elite mission in nightfall. Anets account gets banned then right?

Just because the flavor is there doesn't make it right or fair.

They use the system as it exists, yes. It's still idiotic.

Why? There's no reason to have success in PvP define what PvEers can or cannot access.

This is an idiotic argument, please see above.

Actually, I did read. It makes no sense, realistically, that a PvP tournament determines access to areas in PvE. It sounds nice for flavor but it doesn't make sense. Was there a text box somewhere that I missed that said, "If you're a good enough PvPer, you can open up an area in PvE, which odds are you won't want to play if you were good enough to take Halls."?

It's just not logical to me. PvE should unlock PvE areas/things, PvP should unlock PvP things.

PvE used to grant access to more PvP content, before Factions, but they changed that. Why not change this?

Man I feel bad for Taiwon and Japan. They get favor what once a month?

But then again when they bought the game they should have assumed they would not be able to play it all. I mean, why would a game allow users access to 100 percent of it...

I think it works fine when integrated to the story line. It is 'favor' by the gods. A way to more or less randomize who gets to go in by linking it to an actual event instead of just making it computer generated. As far as how often America has favor as opposed to others, it's always been time related, haven't seen that change much. And in my opinion, the intermitten change in favor happens more often since they reduced arena battle times and 6v6.

Bingo. They are making changes that don't make you have to play PvP if you only want to PvE, and don't have to play PvE if you only want to PvE, this is one of the few remaining things left to finish making that change. Other than having to think of a new way to decide how we get into FoW/UW, I see nothing stopping them from untying PvP performance from PvE rewards.

I do feel quite bad for Taiwan and Japan, I have only seen Japan win a few times and never Taiwan while I've been on. I feel bad for anyone who works hard at PvE and is a skilled player and can't access FoW or UW when they want to because of what's going on in the PvP realm at that time.

To all the nay-sayers, fine lets expand the system a little then to make this fair. Make it so that access to HoH is restricted unless there are enough PvE people beating the end game mission at Masters level every 5 minutes.

The above idea is just as stupid as having a PvP outcome affect a PvE area.

/signed

Please change the favor system.

I live in Europe, and I can pretty much access FoW and UW any time I want. I can't remember the last time I wanted to go there and being blocked out because the gods didn't favor me.

I'm just so damn good at this game, no one can stop me.

Oh wait, I have 0 fame, nevermind.

The gods do favor me though.

I think the WaW mechanic is as stupid as people who farm in GW.

Next time do a search. >.>

1. Ugh, if I had a dime for every time I heard this.... It's repetitive and tbh quite dumb. Say I do go and master PVP, able to constantly win match after match, what then? I'm gonna map out of HoH and jump over to ToA so I can do what I really want?
2. I'm not even wasting my time replying to this one. Actually, no, I have a question for you. What happens when Europe starts getting favor less, and America more? Do I keep switching to and fro until I'm stuck?

Yeah, that solves everything....
/sarcasm