Scavenger's focus: the most useless ranger elite ever
Tobias Funke
This skill is a preparation that does +5-10 damage to foes suffering from a condition. My question is why would you EVER use this as your elite instead of glass arrows (does +5-13 damage no matter what and causes bleeding if blocked at the cost of it's recharge time being 30 seconds instead of 12)? Not only that, glass arrows lasts longer (it can go up to 30 seconds). Why didn't someone at ANet notice this when they made the skill?
XvArchonvX
Yup, it's pretty worthless. The only possible advantage is that it can be used without a bow, just like Apply Poison, so it might fit into some wierd Dervish build or somethin.
Jeff Highwind
aNet needed filler for the Skill Capper line.
Dr Strangelove
Yeah, the damage needs to be something like +15-30 so it's usable.
mathijn
maybe in a team?
aply poison+hunter shot+ seering flames ele's?
thats +30dmg each shot and big degen......
add, dual shot/forked arrow->savage shot and you have a pretty painfull combo
aply poison+hunter shot+ seering flames ele's?
thats +30dmg each shot and big degen......
add, dual shot/forked arrow->savage shot and you have a pretty painfull combo
Sir Mad
Famine was also nominated worst skill ever when Factions came out. A few months later 2 guys came with a famine build for UW.
Conclusion: don't flame a skill because one hasn't figured out how to use it yet
Conclusion: don't flame a skill because one hasn't figured out how to use it yet
Munanko Roha
Good point, but this one looks way too useless to be true!
SnipiousMax
It can be used with any weapon? It might be fun on a 1/2 sec attack melee spam build... but don't know that there are enough of those to make a build out of.
Evilsod
This is a useless elite indeed. What are the theories?
Famine was declared useless but was discovered to have a huge use in UW farming, etc. So Scavengers Focus must have a use somewhere?
Famine is a skill unlike any others. Mind Wrack is the only 1 that is similar and thats single target w/ a recharge. So Famine would obviously have a use if the right method was found.
Scavengers Focus on the other hand? This skill has no use AT ALL. Its a conditional +X damage, and a very small +X damage for its conditional nature.
Melandrus Arrows, Glass Arrows, RtW, Kindle Arrows, etc. All those preps give +X damage, some non-elite, some with other bonus' on top.
What does Scavengers Focus have going for it? It can be used with any weapon. So i guess that would make a Zergling Assassin very useful... except Locusts Fury and Scavengers Focus are both elites.
The elemental Conjures add more damage and last longer without a conditional. The only downsides to that are its an enchantment and expertise doesn't work on it.
As a ranger attacks without IAS (although you'd probably have Tigers Fury if you were having to waste points on BM for this) it'd be 2-2.7s refire. Not bothering to contend with stuff like Needling Shot or Dual Shot/Interrupt styles. Apply Poison would add 8 damage per second, so 16 damage before you could refire and it can also be spread around and isn't an elite. Scavengers Focus needs you to bring condition application skills and only adds about 8 damage per 2 seconds unless your maxing BM.
Its really a worthless elite, in a fast attack build i'd rather use a Conjure or Apply Poison if i wasn't going as a Bow ranger.
Famine looks poor in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its quite potent.
Scavengers Focus looks terrible in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its the worst 1 out there.
Famine was declared useless but was discovered to have a huge use in UW farming, etc. So Scavengers Focus must have a use somewhere?
Famine is a skill unlike any others. Mind Wrack is the only 1 that is similar and thats single target w/ a recharge. So Famine would obviously have a use if the right method was found.
Scavengers Focus on the other hand? This skill has no use AT ALL. Its a conditional +X damage, and a very small +X damage for its conditional nature.
Melandrus Arrows, Glass Arrows, RtW, Kindle Arrows, etc. All those preps give +X damage, some non-elite, some with other bonus' on top.
What does Scavengers Focus have going for it? It can be used with any weapon. So i guess that would make a Zergling Assassin very useful... except Locusts Fury and Scavengers Focus are both elites.
The elemental Conjures add more damage and last longer without a conditional. The only downsides to that are its an enchantment and expertise doesn't work on it.
As a ranger attacks without IAS (although you'd probably have Tigers Fury if you were having to waste points on BM for this) it'd be 2-2.7s refire. Not bothering to contend with stuff like Needling Shot or Dual Shot/Interrupt styles. Apply Poison would add 8 damage per second, so 16 damage before you could refire and it can also be spread around and isn't an elite. Scavengers Focus needs you to bring condition application skills and only adds about 8 damage per 2 seconds unless your maxing BM.
Its really a worthless elite, in a fast attack build i'd rather use a Conjure or Apply Poison if i wasn't going as a Bow ranger.
Famine looks poor in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its quite potent.
Scavengers Focus looks terrible in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its the worst 1 out there.
Corpselooter
Most useless skill ever? Nah, try looking at archer's signet.
Lileth Hersprax
im thinkign if it works with any weapon that a R/W or W/R cyclone axe build with apply poison first to spread a condition may find a use for it.
Tobias Funke
But it's a preperation too. So you'd have to use apply poison (15 energy), do a couple cyclone axes (5 energy each), then use scavengers focus (10 energy) and a couple more cyclone axes. So basically you'd have a huge energy management problem and well as 4 seconds of casting time with the preps for a very indirect way of doing damage.
Sir Mad
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Originally Posted by Evilsod
This is a useless elite indeed. What are the theories?
Famine was declared useless but was discovered to have a huge use in UW farming, etc. So Scavengers Focus must have a use somewhere?
Famine is a skill unlike any others. Mind Wrack is the only 1 that is similar and thats single target w/ a recharge. So Famine would obviously have a use if the right method was found.
Scavengers Focus on the other hand? This skill has no use AT ALL. Its a conditional +X damage, and a very small +X damage for its conditional nature.
Melandrus Arrows, Glass Arrows, RtW, Kindle Arrows, etc. All those preps give +X damage, some non-elite, some with other bonus' on top.
What does Scavengers Focus have going for it? It can be used with any weapon. So i guess that would make a Zergling Assassin very useful... except Locusts Fury and Scavengers Focus are both elites.
The elemental Conjures add more damage and last longer without a conditional. The only downsides to that are its an enchantment and expertise doesn't work on it.
As a ranger attacks without IAS (although you'd probably have Tigers Fury if you were having to waste points on BM for this) it'd be 2-2.7s refire. Not bothering to contend with stuff like Needling Shot or Dual Shot/Interrupt styles. Apply Poison would add 8 damage per second, so 16 damage before you could refire and it can also be spread around and isn't an elite. Scavengers Focus needs you to bring condition application skills and only adds about 8 damage per 2 seconds unless your maxing BM.
Its really a worthless elite, in a fast attack build i'd rather use a Conjure or Apply Poison if i wasn't going as a Bow ranger.
Famine looks poor in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its quite potent.
Scavengers Focus looks terrible in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its the worst 1 out there. Dont make as if I said since Famine was thought useless and is now considered as a great elite then SF is one as well. I simply said that it may have a use, not found yet 2 weeks after the release of NF. If you compare it to other bow preparation, yeah it's bad. But I notice three things when I check this skill:
1/ It's not a bow preparation and works with any weapon.
2/ It's a WS skill, which is the ranger attribute other classes (or at least not bow users) are the most likely to use (if you except BM for Tiger Fury).
3/ The descriptions says your attacks will deal extra damage, not your physical attacks only.
So yeah, I definitely think if it's usefull, it will be for other classes. Now if you ask me if I have found a way to use it: no. But you just can't throw away a skill because it doesn't sound good at first sight when you read the description.
Famine was declared useless but was discovered to have a huge use in UW farming, etc. So Scavengers Focus must have a use somewhere?
Famine is a skill unlike any others. Mind Wrack is the only 1 that is similar and thats single target w/ a recharge. So Famine would obviously have a use if the right method was found.
Scavengers Focus on the other hand? This skill has no use AT ALL. Its a conditional +X damage, and a very small +X damage for its conditional nature.
Melandrus Arrows, Glass Arrows, RtW, Kindle Arrows, etc. All those preps give +X damage, some non-elite, some with other bonus' on top.
What does Scavengers Focus have going for it? It can be used with any weapon. So i guess that would make a Zergling Assassin very useful... except Locusts Fury and Scavengers Focus are both elites.
The elemental Conjures add more damage and last longer without a conditional. The only downsides to that are its an enchantment and expertise doesn't work on it.
As a ranger attacks without IAS (although you'd probably have Tigers Fury if you were having to waste points on BM for this) it'd be 2-2.7s refire. Not bothering to contend with stuff like Needling Shot or Dual Shot/Interrupt styles. Apply Poison would add 8 damage per second, so 16 damage before you could refire and it can also be spread around and isn't an elite. Scavengers Focus needs you to bring condition application skills and only adds about 8 damage per 2 seconds unless your maxing BM.
Its really a worthless elite, in a fast attack build i'd rather use a Conjure or Apply Poison if i wasn't going as a Bow ranger.
Famine looks poor in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its quite potent.
Scavengers Focus looks terrible in comparison to other elites. In comparison to similar skills its the worst 1 out there. Dont make as if I said since Famine was thought useless and is now considered as a great elite then SF is one as well. I simply said that it may have a use, not found yet 2 weeks after the release of NF. If you compare it to other bow preparation, yeah it's bad. But I notice three things when I check this skill:
1/ It's not a bow preparation and works with any weapon.
2/ It's a WS skill, which is the ranger attribute other classes (or at least not bow users) are the most likely to use (if you except BM for Tiger Fury).
3/ The descriptions says your attacks will deal extra damage, not your physical attacks only.
So yeah, I definitely think if it's usefull, it will be for other classes. Now if you ask me if I have found a way to use it: no. But you just can't throw away a skill because it doesn't sound good at first sight when you read the description.
Milan-V
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Originally Posted by Tobias Funke
But it's a preperation too. So you'd have to use apply poison (15 energy), do a couple cyclone axes (5 energy each), then use scavengers focus (10 energy) and a couple more cyclone axes. So basically you'd have a huge energy management problem and well as 4 seconds of casting time with the preps for a very indirect way of doing damage.
Zealous would be an option for that issue. If I take a mob of 8 creatures you would get +8 energy, spam it a little and you'll have no probs technically.
Cyan The Archer
This is skill is not for a ranger, but definately made for a second proffesion.
jedi mad hatter
What profession is going to give up a primary elite for this secondary one, though? At the very least, it does need more damage.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Sir Mad
Dont make as if I said since Famine was thought useless and is now considered as a great elite then SF is one as well. I simply said that it may have a use, not found yet 2 weeks after the release of NF. If you compare it to other bow preparation, yeah it's bad. But I notice three things when I check this skill:
1/ It's not a bow preparation and works with any weapon.
2/ It's a WS skill, which is the ranger attribute other classes (or at least not bow users) are the most likely to use (if you except BM for Tiger Fury).
3/ The descriptions says your attacks will deal extra damage, not your physical attacks only.
So yeah, I definitely think if it's usefull, it will be for other classes. Now if you ask me if I have found a way to use it: no. But you just can't throw away a skill because it doesn't sound good at first sight when you read the description. Yeah i just noticed its a WS skill, sure it was a BM skill during the Nightfall preview.
I can't see this been useful even with a secondary...
1/ It's not a bow preparation and works with any weapon.
2/ It's a WS skill, which is the ranger attribute other classes (or at least not bow users) are the most likely to use (if you except BM for Tiger Fury).
3/ The descriptions says your attacks will deal extra damage, not your physical attacks only.
So yeah, I definitely think if it's usefull, it will be for other classes. Now if you ask me if I have found a way to use it: no. But you just can't throw away a skill because it doesn't sound good at first sight when you read the description. Yeah i just noticed its a WS skill, sure it was a BM skill during the Nightfall preview.
I can't see this been useful even with a secondary...
Sir Mad
^ Well I just said that not to be ridiculous if someone comes with a decent x/R scavenger's focus build actually But again, don't ask me for one, for I haven't found any, I just think it's possible, maybe, dunno...
But again, don't ask me for one, for I haven't found any, I just think it's possible, maybe, dunno...
Cirian
A/R with Black Spider -> Twisting Fangs (whatever) could throw this prep on and get results from it, maybe add Black Lotus -> Death Blossom as a second chain and add in Bestial Fury just for kicks too.
I've not tried this, I'm just saying it looks like an assassin prep.
I've not tried this, I'm just saying it looks like an assassin prep.
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by Cirian
A/R with Black Spider -> Twisting Fangs (whatever) could throw this prep on and get results from it, maybe add Black Lotus -> Death Blossom as a second chain and add in Bestial Fury just for kicks too.
I've not tried this, I'm just saying it looks like an assassin prep. Since Scavenger's is a WS skill, you would be stretching pretty thin to use Bestial Fury.
I've not tried this, I'm just saying it looks like an assassin prep. Since Scavenger's is a WS skill, you would be stretching pretty thin to use Bestial Fury.
Cirian
4 BM would give a 7s Bestial Fury, which is certainly enough to unload the chains.
The next second comes at 7 BM, but I don't see the point in speccing that high for such a small return. The assassin would probably be recycling their attacks at that point anyway.
The next second comes at 7 BM, but I don't see the point in speccing that high for such a small return. The assassin would probably be recycling their attacks at that point anyway.
Azadaleou
I disagree, this elite is actually good. Why? Because it's not required that you use a bow to make it work. Try using this elite on a condition warrior and you'll see how useful it is.
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by Azadaleou
I disagree, this elite is actually good. Why? Because it's not required that you use a bow to make it work. Try using this elite on a condition warrior and you'll see how useful it is.
I would argue that there are other non-elite options for a warrior that would do a greater damage bonus without the need to spend points in WS.
falling demon
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Most useless skill ever? Nah, try looking at archer's signet.
Archer's signet is quite possibly the best energy management ever, if you saw that on an elementalist or monk, making all spells free, it would get nerfed before you could even say the damn word, as it is, it doesn't give a great bonus, but allows a ranger w/ no energy to carry on spamming attacks.Scavenger's Focus.. people say it is only good for weapons other than bows, but the Conjures are stronger, non elite, and last longer, with the downside of enchant removal. (And the fact that eles don't have an IAS skill, and that they cannot be used on R/W Melee Rangers)
I doubt i will ever even try this skill, let alone use it as a part of my builds, if they buffed it to 2..26 [34] and put it in BM, then i'd use it (BM suits it too, 'Scavenger's' kind of refers to scavenging animals') However then it may be overpowered, +34 damage, combined with heket's rampage, and a condition skill, could be deadly using daggers or a spear.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by Azadaleou
Am i in the right area?
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Archer's signet is quite possibly the best energy management ever, if you saw that on an elementalist or monk, making all spells free, it would get nerfed before you could even say the damn word, as it is, it doesn't give a great bonus, but allows a ranger w/ no energy to carry on spamming attacks.
Never seen Divine Spirit or Air of Enchantment? They make low e-cost spells free (effectively). When Monks or Elementalists get a primary stat that lowers energy cost and have an ELITE skill that is connected to that primary stat to lower it further then you have a case. Until that day, Archers Signet is a complete waste of space. Its late, they need some more elites, guess what they thought of? AuraofMana
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The difference is, that elite has a use... Could you imagine the horror of running this skill with a group of R/W Bunny Thumpers?I've not tried this, I'm just saying it looks like an assassin prep. Assassin has too many great elites as it is, they will never use that. As for Bestial Fury, Flurry > BF on Sin. I am too lazy to look at Scavenger... but I am sure it would have SOME use. Then again, with so many skills you can't balance them all, so there will be superior and inferior. Doesn't matter if the skill looks like crap, it's how you use it that counts.
XvArchonvX
Who knows, maybe Scavenger's is just something A-net is keeping in their pocket until they decide to buff it in attempt to change the metagame at the next big skill update or somethin'.
A_Muppet
For a standalone thing, it's not that hot. But think about this. Order of Pain gives you +16 extra damage. at 16 blood.
If you put this ritual down, then use apply poison on someone, the warriors and/or assassin will be able to really do some damage over time. If you want a 'useless' skill, what about... argh, forgotten it's name. The one that gives double adren with every hit. Rangers don't use adren, so does that make it useless?
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by A_Muppet
For a standalone thing, it's not that hot. But think about this. Order of Pain gives you +16 extra damage. at 16 blood.
If you put this ritual down, then use apply poison on someone, the warriors and/or assassin will be able to really do some damage over time. If you want a 'useless' skill, what about... argh, forgotten it's name. The one that gives double adren with every hit. Rangers don't use adren, so does that make it useless?
It's not directly useful for a ranger, but it is an excellent support skill for any adrenal based warrior or paragons in the group. Infuriating Heat + "For Great Justice" = the constant instant recharge on Dragon Slash, so you can use it on every attack.
A_Muppet
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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX
It's not directly useful for a ranger, but it is an excellent support skill for any adrenal based warrior or paragons in the group.
You just proved my point. It's 'useless' for a ranger, but with a little thinking and co-operation with the rest of the group, it's great. Same with Scavenger's Focus-it needs a little thinking.
I mean, 100 blades on a conditioned foe with this ritual is (for the sake of argument) +20 damage. With Triple Chop it's +30. That's not 'useless'.
Sha Noran
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You just proved my point. It's 'useless' for a ranger, but with a little thinking and co-operation with the rest of the group, it's great. Same with Scavenger's Focus-it needs a little thinking.
I mean, 100 blades on a conditioned foe with this ritual is (for the sake of argument) +20 damage. With Triple Chop it's +30. That's not 'useless'. It's not a Ritual, its a Preperation. It's hardly useless, and it's not the most useless Ranger Elite ever, but... there are far, far better choices and I can't think of any situation where I'd rather have this on my bar than some other Ranger Elite. This skill reminds me of Glimmer of Light, in the Monk Healing line. That skill would pwn if there were like... no other Monk elites.
Peka
haha i agree this is one of the worst skills ever
Mercury Angel
Let us all keep in mind that Strength of Honour is a non-elite that yields up to the same level of damage, and Brutal Weapon grants even more, at a higher cost, if you can't afford to run an enchantment. (Costwise, 5 energy every 22 seconds is only a minor improvement over 1 pip upkeep, being .68 pips)
Scavenger's Focus is not impressive by any standards, and because it's an elite, it's under even greater scrutiny.
SnipiousMax
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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel
Let us all keep in mind that Strength of Honour is a non-elite that yields up to the same level of damage
nor does it require a condition.
Sha Noran
Really, after thinking on the topic some more, pretty much every other Preperation in the game is better. RtW, Kindle, Ignite, Apply, Barbed, and the rest all have better bonuses. You'd think for an Elite with such a limiting condition it would at least deal... a lot of damage or something. :-S
Former Ruling
This was made for a non-bow prep as an alternate to Apply Poison. Like for warriors.
And remember on other professions +dmg on every attack is alittle harder to get, look at Signet of Strength... But the problem is, it isnt worth it as an Elite.
Evilsod
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Originally Posted by A_Muppet
If you put this ritual down, then use apply poison on someone, the warriors and/or assassin will be able to really do some damage over time. If you want a 'useless' skill, what about... argh, forgotten it's name. The one that gives double adren with every hit. Rangers don't use adren, so does that make it useless? Drop Infuriating Heat. Hammer Bash charges in 3 hits. Flail charges in 2. Rush charges in 2. That is some major knockdown. Been a spirit and therefore the primary target to anyone with common sense in PvP/GvG (i know it'd be mine if Bunny Thumpers were involved). Quote:
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but your point is valid.