Bears, could they be the best pet under certain circumstances?
Craze Horse
I know what your probably thinking. Bears aren't that great because of their Brutal Mauling skill. That is, before nightfall came out. Now with paragons there are certain shouts such as burning anthem or go for the eyes that are triggered with an attack skill.
Bears are the only pets that technically use an attack skill. As far as I know when you use a pet shout, the next time the pet attacks that effect is applied.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't there be a situational advantage with a bear as a pet over any other pet? Comments appreciated
Bears are the only pets that technically use an attack skill. As far as I know when you use a pet shout, the next time the pet attacks that effect is applied.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't there be a situational advantage with a bear as a pet over any other pet? Comments appreciated
Shinto Sharingan
WOW...i never would have thought of that! Can you (or someone with a bear) test this?
Captain Arne Is PRO
Bears are also the best pet when fighting something with spells such as SS, as it attacks slowest due to Brutal Mauling. :P
So YES, in some cercumstances the slow bear prevails.
So YES, in some cercumstances the slow bear prevails.
Thorondor Port
you had better find these necros casting SS on pets, and make sure they uninstall.
Dire White Tiger ftw
Dire White Tiger ftw
Detraya fullvear
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you had better find these necros casting SS on pets, and make sure they uninstall.
Dire White Tiger ftw sure, because putting ss on a pet that cant stop attacking is a horriable idea!
Dire White Tiger ftw sure, because putting ss on a pet that cant stop attacking is a horriable idea!
Shadis
That's actually very interesting. It didn't even cross my mind either.
Anger Problems
You could fix its attack speed with an enemy Mesmer using Soothing Images.
LightningHell
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You could fix its attack speed with an enemy Mesmer using Soothing Images.
Soothing Images only prevents the building of adrenaline.
Reikai
it doesn't trigger. Its been tested.
Craze Horse
Alright, thats what I needed to know. Thank you Reikai.
Jay Shrine
What about the Jahai Rat? that uses a skill so it cant be diseased,dno if they use it often or if its just a sort of power they mantain,im not that far into Nightfall,can someone check it out?
Sir Mad
Actually I know a weird mage who use to bring his pet bear most of the time - foes with interupts will try to interupt brutal mauling instead of his spells. I wouldn't do that, but erm... bears are not completely useless compared to other pets (notice the [i] tag warping "completely").
sister morphyne
I dont want to start a fight with you boys but has anyone apart from me actually ever tested the bear debate on DPS?
Take a stopwatch, get a bear and any other pet, go to the test grounds at Kamadan or the Isles and time the two on the same target.
Bears rule
Take a stopwatch, get a bear and any other pet, go to the test grounds at Kamadan or the Isles and time the two on the same target.
Bears rule
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by sister morphyne
I dont want to start a fight with you boys but has anyone apart from me actually ever tested the bear debate on DPS?
Take a stopwatch, get a bear and any other pet, go to the test grounds at Kamadan or the Isles and time the two on the same target.
Bears rule I haven't tested it personally, but Jenosavel and Epinephrine did a pretty thorough job lookin into it, so I feel confident in taking their word for it.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=89491
Take a stopwatch, get a bear and any other pet, go to the test grounds at Kamadan or the Isles and time the two on the same target.
Bears rule I haven't tested it personally, but Jenosavel and Epinephrine did a pretty thorough job lookin into it, so I feel confident in taking their word for it.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=89491
Raithgason
Havent tested the bears dps for myself. But this idea of the bear and the paragon chant seems cool. I'll give it a try. Thanks agian
sister morphyne
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Originally Posted by XvArchonvX
I haven't tested it personally, but Jenosavel and Epinephrine did a pretty thorough job lookin into it, so I feel confident in taking their word for it.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=89491 *sigh*
like I said, get a stopwatch, load up your normal pet attack skills, do the same for the comparative pet, sic them sequentially on the same target and check out the result......
Nothing like a good field test.....
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=89491 *sigh*
like I said, get a stopwatch, load up your normal pet attack skills, do the same for the comparative pet, sic them sequentially on the same target and check out the result......
Nothing like a good field test.....
Program Ftw
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Dire White Tiger ftw
Join the club.
Thanks, Program~ Sir Mad
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like I said, get a stopwatch, load up your normal pet attack skills, do the same for the comparative pet, sic them sequentially on the same target and check out the result...... Nothing like a good field test..... |
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Originally Posted by Jenosavel and Epinephrine
(5) The speed results are from two tests, the first was timing 100 strikes - if you allow for a miscount of up to 1 strike in either direction you get an estimate of the error. The error on this testing resulted in a range of ~2.12-2.17 for each pet type (excepting the bear, which was 2.60-2.62); the other test was a count of strikes over 5 minutes, resulting in 141 strikes mostly, but once or twice on a species I'd get 140. 300seconds/141strikes = 2.13; 300seconds/140 strikes=2.14, it has a smaller error due to the longer period, say 2.12-2.15 or so, adding a strike in either direction. That's pretty much the same range. Estimating experimental error and measurement error isn't easy. I suspect we're talking a miscount of +/- 1 though. The bear counted 115 attacks over 300 seconds, so 2.59-2.63 seems like a very safe estimate of its attack speed. Animals were tested at level 5 and level 20, to ensure speed stayed the same. The sole creature that varied was the Moa/Strider, which begins at level 3 with an attack period of ~1.6 seconds, but drops from there, reaching 2.14 seconds by level 17.
XvArchonvX
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*sigh*
like I said, get a stopwatch, load up your normal pet attack skills, do the same for the comparative pet, sic them sequentially on the same target and check out the result...... Nothing like a good field test..... It's been tested thoroughly and as a result has been made the pet guide for Guru: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...ide-id1575.php And you can quote the reasoning for bears' lesser damage output: "The Bear's brutal mauling slows it's attack speed, but does not add any damage." The numbers that back this up are here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/content...e-id1575.php#5 This is what Sir Mad posted, but also has a handy little chart showing their results as well. Silk Weaver
Dire White Tiger ftw.
Mine's called Doggie ^^ Chewbacca Defense
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Originally Posted by Detraya fullvear
sure, because putting ss on a pet that cant stop attacking is a horriable idea!
This is a great idea. Casting SS on Flesh Golems or Pets with Reckless Haste or blind. They just can't stop attacking, so draw the Golem into a crowd and watch all the numbers fly!
Epinephrine
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Bears are the only pets that technically use an attack skill... Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't there be a situational advantage with a bear as a pet over any other pet? Comments appreciated |
Quote: Originally Posted by Reikai it doesn't trigger. Its been tested. Umm, it did when testing was done. Brutal Mauling triggers any paragon skill that triggers on attack skills, or at least it did. Haven't checked today, but assuming it hasn't changed, it does work.
Quote: Originally Posted by Anger Problems You could fix its attack speed with an enemy Mesmer using Soothing Images. Also true, but hard to arrange
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Originally Posted by LightningHell
Soothing Images only prevents the building of adrenaline.
Precisely, and testing has shown that Brutal Mauling is an adrenaline skill, with a 4 adrenaline cost. Hence why the bear uses it every fourth swing - a bear in the presence of Infuriating Heat for example uses it every second swing, dropping DPS even further. Quote:
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