the Rit-Sin

Mekkakat

Mekkakat

Whiner

Join Date: Aug 2006

12 Nov 2006 at 09:13 - 1
try this build if you're bored or going crazy from being inside too much like me. it's really just for fun, but REALLY works well. great for RA or lame TA lol.

Rt/A

Spirit Strength
Vital weapon/resilient weapon
jagged strike
wild strike
horns of the ox
falling spider
heal of choice in resto (i use mend body and soul).
rez/(or for pve)sight beyond sight

dag: 11
resto:12
spawn:11-12 (your choice)

this build will do about 30-40 damage a hit without attack skills, and with say horns of the ox, you'll be doing about 60-70 damage not including criticals. try it if you want something new to use. i don't die often with such great self heals, and i can drop almost anything in seconds. fun to play!

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

12 Nov 2006 at 13:08 - 2
Spirit's Strength builds really are fun to play. Looks like a solid build.

Defiled Corpse

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Aug 2006

Auckland, New Zealand

Reapers of Oblivion

N/

14 Nov 2006 at 00:19 - 3
Recently started experimenting with this in pve. It is an absolute blast! If the party doesn't go wtf, rezone, and then kick you. I didn't go sin but chose the sword line with sever artery, gash, final thrust. Damage ussually ends up in the 30's without spirit's strenght and in the 60-80 range with it. This all depends on sundering/criticals coming into play too. Definetly something everyone should try atleast once.

Ark Claw

Ark Claw

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

20 Dec 2006 at 14:29 - 4
hi :P

the "search" gaves me this thread ^^

i discovered this fun build yesterday... this is mine:

Rit's skills:
Spirit's Strength (èlite)
Sight Beyond Sight
Vital Weapon ---> 5 ene, last 30 secs
Flesh of my flesh (or ress signet)

Sin's skills:
Golden Fox Strike (nightfall)
Golden Lotus Strike
Golden Phoenix Strike

Weapon:
Daggers of Xuekao (green)
* Piercing damage: 7-17 (Requires 9 Dagger Mastery)
* Damage +15% (While Enchanted)
* Armor penetration +20% (Chance: 20%)
* Enchantments last 20% longer

Attributes:
Spawning power: 11 + 1 + 3
Daggers mastery: 10
Communing: 10

very fun

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

20 Dec 2006 at 17:18 - 5
There was already a thread for this a few lines down. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10087836

Anyway, these builds are nice, and fun to play, but they aren't as great as everyone makes out. Against the people in RA or AB, yeah I'm sure you could get a few kills before you die.

The big damage numbers impress people, but it basically does what assassins have been doing for months. But I still think assassins are better at it, more reliable. If I wanted someone to kill a monk, and there was an assassin, and an Rt/A, I would choose the assassin.

Two times I met a Spirit's Strength Rt/A recently:
Everyone else was dead and it was just me and him. I was an assassin. The Rt/A slowly waddled around without a speed boost, but couldn't get anywhere near me because I was kiting. Then I shadow stepped to him, and killed him. He didn't get a single attack off.

The other time I was playing a bunny thumper, he came straight for me and did get the first attack. So this is what they do best right? Super fast spike to anyone! I bashed away at him with my hammer and he died very quickly before I had even built up my adrenaline. I was at about half health when he died, and had just hit him with a hammer under RaO.

I also met many Rt/As when I played as a monk, they never kill me. It isn't a spike, because it's too slow. You want to kill me while I'm still on the floor, otherwise whatever you do will just be healed. But that's if you even get a chance, the fact that you have no snare, no speed boost, I will just kite. You'll be chasing me in circles most of the time doing no damage.

Ark Claw

Ark Claw

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2006

20 Dec 2006 at 17:29 - 6
y... it's for fun, we said it

low armor and low speed don't help much ^^"

i discovered this èlite yesterday, so i use it... but the rit healer or spirit spammer (like mm ritu) are more usefull

p.s. sorry for bad english

p.p.s. Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth`
There was already a thread for this a few lines down. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10087836 see now ^^"

i think my build all alone... the humans' brains are always the same we think the same tactics/build ^^ (it's normal...)

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

21 Dec 2006 at 01:18 - 7
Oooops! I misread!
I like spirit's strength builds too.

Right now I'm using a Ritualist/Ranger.

unmatchedfury

unmatchedfury

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Cookie Cutter [FTW]

21 Dec 2006 at 03:59 - 8
Spirits strenth on a bow is generally too low to justifiy it. Ranger attack skills cant be used very well. The reason the Rt/A works so well is that the large + armor ignreo bonuses from teh assn attacks add with the spirits strength armor ignore to do 60-80 dmg per hit quickly + conditions

Patccmoi

Patccmoi

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

Quebec

Pretty much stopped

Rt/

21 Dec 2006 at 16:24 - 9
Quote:
Originally Posted by unmatchedfury
Spirits strenth on a bow is generally too low to justifiy it. Ranger attack skills cant be used very well. The reason the Rt/A works so well is that the large + armor ignreo bonuses from teh assn attacks add with the spirits strength armor ignore to do 60-80 dmg per hit quickly + conditions On a bow, what you do is :

16 Spawning-12 Marks

+33 from Spirit Strength
+9 from RtW
+6 from Favorable Wind (optional)
+5 from Vamp

for +53 damage per arrow.

Pick some interrupts, maybe Dual Shot, but mainly bring Needling Shot.

On anyone below 50%, you have 70 armor ignoring DPS just throwing Needling. And something like Dual-Needling-DShot/Savage, while costing 20-25E, will spike someone for around 250-300+ damage in like 2s, 220 of which ignores armor.

It's not actually bad. It does have lower consistant damage, but Needling is pretty insane to finish people and DShot alone can be worth a bow.

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

21 Dec 2006 at 20:16 - 10
I used needling shot before. It was cool with the spirit's strength up, but I went through energy super fast finishing off the target. Somtimes I thought it might be better to just bring Heket's for IAS.

Made In Ascalon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

None

Rt/

22 Dec 2006 at 04:34 - 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
I used needling shot before. It was cool with the spirit's strength up, but I went through energy super fast finishing off the target. Somtimes I thought it might be better to just bring Heket's for IAS. I tried out the build after reading it here. And, holy shit it's awesome <3
IMO it's better than using daggers. In my times doing PvP, I'd attack random targets and do considerable DoT until the monk healed, switch targets again until the same, and then destroy the monk with a dual shot spike followed by needling. It puts on so much pressure with healing.

Using daggers is very easy to predict and kite because of how obvious it is to run up to a target, but using a bow solves the problem. I dunno, I might have to switch to using a bow instead of daggers for my PvE SS build now, since it also would help offset the risk of getting ripped apart like an assassin.

Redfeather1975

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

22 Dec 2006 at 08:51 - 12
How are you dealing with needling's energy usage?
That's my only problem there.
Yah, I like the Rt/R too. I can even use nature rituals to fuel my special spawning and restoration skills.

BTW, does anyone use Symbiosis? I wonder if it's really bad to bring. I can get my hp up so high, but I'm guessing so could the bad guys too! What's it good for?

Karmaniac

Karmaniac

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

22 Dec 2006 at 09:13 - 13
I've been running similar Rt/R build in AB. Dual->savage->focused shot. While I agree that Rt/A offers way better damage output the fact that you have to venture into melee makes Rt/R a more reliable choice. And no, there really isn't anything you can do about energy except let it recharge when things become quiet.

About OP's post: maybe more points in spawning and less in resto? Have you tried using wielder's boon as self heal?

Made In Ascalon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

None

Rt/

22 Dec 2006 at 13:53 - 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redfeather1975
How are you dealing with needling's energy usage?
That's my only problem there.
I don't have any special way to counter it. I'll use my energy up completely, chill for a few seconds to let it recharge, and then use dual shot + 2 needlings and repeat. But enchantments and the weapon spell runs out eventually, so it's always a problem. The cool thing about it is, you don't need a skill to do high damage attacks
Quote:
Yah, I like the Rt/R too. I can even use nature rituals to fuel my special spawning and restoration skills.

BTW, does anyone use Symbiosis? I wonder if it's really bad to bring. I can get my hp up so high, but I'm guessing so could the bad guys too! What's it good for? I've only used symbiosis in a few groups, and I never understood why they brought it. I can imagine one very good use for it though. If you're in a group with enchantment removal mesmers/necros, it may be a good idea because the spike damage + sudden drop of max hp would kill extremely quickly.

Made In Ascalon

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

None

Rt/

22 Dec 2006 at 14:00 - 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karmaniac
I've been running similar Rt/R build in AB. Dual->savage->focused shot. While I agree that Rt/A offers way better damage output the fact that you have to venture into melee makes Rt/R a more reliable choice. And no, there really isn't anything you can do about energy except let it recharge when things become quiet.

About OP's post: maybe more points in spawning and less in resto? Have you tried using wielder's boon as self heal? IMO, using restoration instead of communing is a very bad idea. Vital weapon only costs 5 energy and lasts 30 seconds. Resilient weapon costs 10 energy and lasts only 19 seconds, and that little amount eats up energy significantly faster. But if you're more worried about staying alive than dealing damage, then fair enough. Wielder's boon is a good choice.

Dutch Masterr

Dutch Masterr

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Long Island, NY

Elite Knights [SWAT]

W/

22 Dec 2006 at 17:33 - 16
ive also started using simmilar builds to this recently. i either go rt/a or rt/w with an axe. with the axe, it does a huge amount of damage. i use vital weapon, weapon of warding, spirits strength, weilders boon, furious axe, critical chop, dismember, executioners strike.

vital weapon is great because it adds over 100 health at a very low attribute level....i think i have it at something like this--spawning 12, restoration 12, axe 11, communing about 7-10 (not on at the moment and dont remember).

furious axe+critical chop is an awsome combo to add fast spikes. i do this--furious axe until adrenaline is full, then dismember, executioners strike, critical shop for a VERY large spike. critical shop has a activation time of 1/2 a second so it hits almost immidiatley after the previous attack. with just furious axe+critical strike on squishy targets ive hit for over 160 damage (about 80 per strike)...great build but i have a problem with kiting targets and blocking/evadig attacks.

Son of Urza

Son of Urza

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2005

I'm the guy right behind you staring through your head . . . .

W/

26 Dec 2006 at 18:30 - 17
Spirit's Strength assassins with the Fox combo work nicely because they cannot be blinded, blocked, or evaded. However, they pay for this by losing any speed boost, snaring ability, IAS, or even a shadow step. They would work MUCH better with Paragon support- Godspeed and Crippling Anthem. With these, they will have a speed boost, and Golden Fox Strike will cripple their foes. THIS would make them a force to contend with, as the Paragon would allow them to show off their huge damage and resistance to almost all melee counters.

Vazze

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Aug 2006

06 Jan 2007 at 20:06 - 18
Rt/R should not use bow, that weapon is way too slow.
This is the Rt/R build:

Beast Mastery 12
Spawning Power 12+3+1
Communing: 3+1

Brutal Strike(or a utility skill: pet interrupt/snare)
Heket's Rampage
Call of Haste
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal
Vital Weapon
Spirit's Strength
Rez Sig

Weapon: any Spear of enchanting (kiting target) and/or Spawning Power wand (target not moving) /SP offhand.
Although you dont have points in Spear mastery it hits 33-37 every second (you have IAS) +the pet (with IAS) and the pet attack and you have a total of 60-80 DPS without the need to be in melee range.
The long term DPS is as good as any SS melee has and it is safer.

Michael Dennis

Michael Dennis

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2006

N/A

W/

07 Jan 2007 at 08:48 - 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Xin
Spirit's Strength builds really are fun to play. Looks like a solid build. ok people u must not know how to b original!!

1: spirits strength is almost and very close too IW
2: u ppl hav taken the idea and overused it way to much, uve used it with every wpn in the game!
3: it all balls down to this point almost all GW players dont understand, ur not being very original or creative ur jus seeing a skill or certain build, and saying "oh lets try this with every single thing i c...." instead of coming up with something outside the box. this very same thing hppn win ppl started using IW.
4: plz dont get excited bout this Rt version of IW, cuz all i simply hav to do is enchantment removal and ull b sitting there for 30 sec. with nothing to do and will b taken down in 7-10 secs, so ask urself: is it worth me ranting and making posts or even making a build tht revolves around one skill? i ve this b4, plz start thinking outside the box and suprise me!

Kais Unduli

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

07 Jan 2007 at 14:19 - 20
Hey, let us have fun with our ritualists. We don't have a whole lot going for as at this moment. If people are having fun with Spirit's Strength, then let them.

frojack

frojack

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2005

London, UK

Rite Of Passage [RP]

E/Mo

07 Jan 2007 at 14:20 - 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Dennis
ok people u must not know how to b original!!

1: spirits strength is almost and very close too IW
2: u ppl hav taken the idea and overused it way to much, uve used it with every wpn in the game!
3: it all balls down to this point almost all GW players dont understand, ur not being very original or creative ur jus seeing a skill or certain build, and saying "oh lets try this with every single thing i c...." instead of coming up with something outside the box. this very same thing hppn win ppl started using IW.
4: plz dont get excited bout this Rt version of IW, cuz all i simply hav to do is enchantment removal and ull b sitting there for 30 sec. with nothing to do and will b taken down in 7-10 secs, so ask urself: is it worth me ranting and making posts or even making a build tht revolves around one skill? i ve this b4, plz start thinking outside the box and suprise me! A little pointless... Whether it has weaknesses or not doesn't stop it from being fun to play.

I'm not crazy about rit-melee personally but it's still viable and fun enough to use.

Yanman.be

Yanman.be

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

Belgium

[ROSE]

A/

07 Jan 2007 at 15:16 - 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Dennis
ok people u must not know how to b original!!

1: spirits strength is almost and very close too IW
2: u ppl hav taken the idea and overused it way to much, uve used it with every wpn in the game!
3: it all balls down to this point almost all GW players dont understand, ur not being very original or creative ur jus seeing a skill or certain build, and saying "oh lets try this with every single thing i c...." instead of coming up with something outside the box. this very same thing hppn win ppl started using IW.
4: plz dont get excited bout this Rt version of IW, cuz all i simply hav to do is enchantment removal and ull b sitting there for 30 sec. with nothing to do and will b taken down in 7-10 secs, so ask urself: is it worth me ranting and making posts or even making a build tht revolves around one skill? i ve this b4, plz start thinking outside the box and suprise me! Wow. Just don't post anymore mmk?

The Last Cruzader

The Last Cruzader

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Who Kicked Down Our [Door]

W/A

07 Jan 2007 at 15:46 - 23
Do you guy's think Spirit's Strength will work with offensive spells? Just wondering here.

AuraofMana

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Georgia, US

07 Jan 2007 at 18:50 - 24
Recently A LOT (and I mean A LOT) of Rit/A is popping up, and I bet is due to this thread. It's kind of sickening now because...
I am running back after spiking 2 SF ele... burning and almost dead. I see a Rit on my team.
Me: Heal me... or throw something at that war chasing me... or throw your staff at him.
Then the Rit walks up and stabs the War.
Me: omg that's my job, you mexican! >< *dies*

I was joking with him as I know him, but the thing is getting to the stage of this. I have nothing against this build, it's actually quite funny to see a half naked female rit kill a war with daggers.
And no, I don't hate Mexicans.

And I have seen some Rit that uses Spirit + Spirit Walk to the utmost efficiency. I wanna see more Rit actions!

Retribution X

Retribution X

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Check behind you again.

N/

07 Jan 2007 at 19:58 - 25
I just capped it today. Made me f***ing laugh for about an hour.

Dual shot + Spirits Strength + Orders = PWNT

That's FUN to play...

The Last Cruzader

The Last Cruzader

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

Who Kicked Down Our [Door]

W/A

07 Jan 2007 at 21:30 - 26
[QUOTE=AuraofMana]Recently A LOT (and I mean A LOT) of Rit/A is popping [QUOTE] Hehe yeah I've been seeing many in RA now I've gotten paired up with another while I was playing one and we pretty much destroyed everything in our way.