Darksong (Kind of Rantish)
eggs0wn
Ok, well today I saw someone selling a green spear called The Darksong and wanted it. I didn't want to pay the outragous price I was seeing so I went out to get it myself. Surprisingly, the boss that drops it is right near a protal so it is easy to access. So I use myself(paragon), Zhed as a nuker, Koss as a Tank/Melonni normal Derv, and Tahlkora as a Prot Monk. I can easily kill this boss, infact I have killed him 30 times and he hasnt dropped his spear. Irriatated I decided to from a group of people to see if my Heroes were stealing the drops. The group I made with all real people killed him 10 times and no one got it. Now pissed I decided to try with Heroes a few more times and still nothing. So I have killed this stupid boss about 45 times and he hasn't dropped his spear once. Like wtf? Did A-Net like decrease green drop rates to like .00000001%
Hou Lifu
Well, you're going with parties, so your chances of the drop are even lower than alone.
LitoBoi
Uh...I'm not completely sure about this but
chances are you're not the only one that farms that Boss, so
Alot of People farming for that green item = Lower chance of getting it...
so...an overfarmed place will have an EXTREMELY LOW chance of it dropping.
chances are you're not the only one that farms that Boss, so
Alot of People farming for that green item = Lower chance of getting it...
so...an overfarmed place will have an EXTREMELY LOW chance of it dropping.
noir0
the more you kill the boss in a row in quick sucession the less likely the green is to drop..
Former Ruling
Greens are rarer, and when you were with henchies - You had almost no chance of getting it lol.
sykoone
Yes, heros/henchies will take a cut of the drops, so using them to farm for greens is generally a bad idea. To top it off, if the guy is as easy to kill as you say, then there are probably tons of people farming him, which lowers the drop rate even more. So either be patient and keep farming, or save your cash to buy it from someone.
Mr_T_bot
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by LitoBoi
Alot of People farming for that green item = Lower chance of getting it...
so...an overfarmed place will have an EXTREMELY LOW chance of it dropping. |
Batou of Nine
Wrong.
Other people farming the same area do not affect YOUR specific drop rate in that area, unless the person WITH you also overfarms the area.
I am sick of these silly rumors about farming nerfs and such. The ONLY thing that will affect a person's actual drop rate is that persons frequency of farming the same location/boss. If you do it too often and too frequent you will physically get a message about it.
Each persons explorable/farmable zone is instanced, so they alone affect their drop rate.
For the OP specifically, i can guarantee that the boss had dropped the green at LEAST once, likewise i can guarantee that one of your heroes got it, and since we don't get to see what henchies and heroes get from drops, you may never know...
Honestly, if you want the best chances, assimilate a solo build or a 2 man build, go with a friend and farm him at MOST 20 times in a row. This might even trigger the code. At the end of that run do a mission, then come back and try again. Also, rather then zoning out when going for another run, type /resign instead, this somehow helps to delay the farming code.
So, once again, the person ALONE is responsible for THEIR drop rates from areas...
cheers!
Other people farming the same area do not affect YOUR specific drop rate in that area, unless the person WITH you also overfarms the area.
I am sick of these silly rumors about farming nerfs and such. The ONLY thing that will affect a person's actual drop rate is that persons frequency of farming the same location/boss. If you do it too often and too frequent you will physically get a message about it.
Each persons explorable/farmable zone is instanced, so they alone affect their drop rate.
For the OP specifically, i can guarantee that the boss had dropped the green at LEAST once, likewise i can guarantee that one of your heroes got it, and since we don't get to see what henchies and heroes get from drops, you may never know...
Honestly, if you want the best chances, assimilate a solo build or a 2 man build, go with a friend and farm him at MOST 20 times in a row. This might even trigger the code. At the end of that run do a mission, then come back and try again. Also, rather then zoning out when going for another run, type /resign instead, this somehow helps to delay the farming code.
So, once again, the person ALONE is responsible for THEIR drop rates from areas...
cheers!
Jalinka_Vail
I did ten solo runs in a few and got the spear on teh 10th run. I took a break for a few hours. When I came back I did 23 runs and all i got was the farming message.
He wasn't given up that spear much last night.
He wasn't given up that spear much last night.
Myria
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Batou of Nine
Other people farming the same area do not affect YOUR specific drop rate in that area, unless the person WITH you also overfarms the area.
|
eggs0wn
Hmm, thanks for the input. The reason why I use heroes is because I can't kill him solo because there are 4 other guys there. If anyone knows the Boss and Green I'm talking about can you please post a build. Im a paragon btw and have a ranger that will reach the point where the boss is soon if that helps. But post build for other professions if you know em, thanks.
Hysteria
I said this in some other post and I will say it again. Farming for greens is easier then ever now with hero's. Kill the mob, save the boss, send hero's away till names are grey'd and solo the boss. Repeat as necessary. This has been working great for me.
Edit: Also wanted to add that if you also take henchies for a full party they also seem to follow the hero's and will go to your flag.
Edit: Also wanted to add that if you also take henchies for a full party they also seem to follow the hero's and will go to your flag.
The Hand Of Death
I have gotten his spear 6 times. I solo him, the first time I got it within 4 drops. The second I got it first time. The third it took me 40 tries. The fourth around 10. The fifth another 40 tries and then later that day the sixth I got it second shot. I never once got that farming message, but find a way to do it alone. I do it with a N/E, should be hard with a character that has a higher AL.
Cacheelma
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Myria
I'm curious as to how you can be so certain. It's not that I think you're necessarily wrong, it's just that we do not know the code -- I could certainly see a "we only want 'X' number of these entering the economy per day" clause in the code -- and I can't think of any effective way to test it one way or another.
|
Feel free to argue with her, though.
Cherno
I am having lots of problems with Shagu. Trying to get his shield and I have killed him many many times solo and there are really very few people in that zone and he won't drop the shield. I know he has it as I have seen people with it. I could attribute it to bad luck, but this is really rediculous. I have never had the farm code warning come up while taking him out, and I go out and do missions and quests and other things in between. I really do think they can tweak the levels of some bosses down for their drops.
arcanemacabre
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Cacheelma
I think he can be certain because GAILE has already commented on this topic. She stated clearly that the chance of an item to drop for you doesn't depend on how many people are playing in that area.
Feel free to argue with her, though. |
Cacheelma
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Link?
|
Try this:
http://forums.gwonline.net/showthrea...70#post4297070
As in...
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Gaile
...
And no, the drop rate would not be affected by the number of people playing in an area. Each mission is individual and has its own mathematics -- it's not that there are 10 items to drop stretched across 100 rather than 25 groups. |
Gonzo
Stonereaper took me 30 times to kill (alone) before he decided I was worthy of his staff, it was then and there that I decided I would stop solo-green farming.
VorianVader
It is an accepted fact that henches/heroes steal your greens and if you kill a boss over and over again, farming code prevents you from getting anything.
There is a simple way about it but it involves patience. Zone out into different areas, do quests, cap skills.......if you come across a boss, kill everything around him and send the henchies off the map so that their names are greyed out. Then solo the boss and see if he drops anything. There are usually around 2-3 bosses in each explorable area and provided you dont keep hitting the same area over and over again, your chances for a drop are good. (This might be nerfed soon - maybe)
I almost ALWAYS get 1 green drop in any nightfall explorable area doing this. Downside is that it might NOT be a green that you want and which cant sell but hey heroes need equipment and its more fun this way rather than killing something over and over again and not getting anything.
There is a simple way about it but it involves patience. Zone out into different areas, do quests, cap skills.......if you come across a boss, kill everything around him and send the henchies off the map so that their names are greyed out. Then solo the boss and see if he drops anything. There are usually around 2-3 bosses in each explorable area and provided you dont keep hitting the same area over and over again, your chances for a drop are good. (This might be nerfed soon - maybe)
I almost ALWAYS get 1 green drop in any nightfall explorable area doing this. Downside is that it might NOT be a green that you want and which cant sell but hey heroes need equipment and its more fun this way rather than killing something over and over again and not getting anything.
shadowmist
I think that the first few times you farmed the green with your heroes, one of them got the drop. Then the drop rate went down and the chance of drop just never occured. Either that, or you're just unlucky. I got a Deathbringer scythe to drop for me when I was just capping the elite skill from a boss, so I don't think the drop rate is all that low. (7 bosses with henchies/heroes (the 5 avatars, grenth's grasp, and reaper's strike I think) and got 1 green)
chikorita23
Heros and Henchesmen doesn't always steal your drop rate. Why? Because a lot of time I get my green with the very very first try. (Or I didn't actually farm that boss, it's just I happened to encounter him and he drop)
I always farm greens with heros, so far I already have 7 greens including the 2 green spears! But I do admit that Darksong boss doesn't even drop any items beside cash. *or not even cash*
I've farm the Darksong quite a few times too, and no drop. I'd like to believe someone mentioned before... if people over-farm an area... the boss's green drop rate is likely to be very very rare. *Dunno if Anet try to make green weapon price go high again*
I always farm greens with heros, so far I already have 7 greens including the 2 green spears! But I do admit that Darksong boss doesn't even drop any items beside cash. *or not even cash*
I've farm the Darksong quite a few times too, and no drop. I'd like to believe someone mentioned before... if people over-farm an area... the boss's green drop rate is likely to be very very rare. *Dunno if Anet try to make green weapon price go high again*
4thVariety
Personal opinion:
Completing Factions Grandmaster Cartographer with Henchmen = One Green drop
Completing Nightfall Grandmaster Cartographer with Henchmen = Three green drops. (incl. the before mentioned Darksong)
Maybe the farm detection got better? After all, the community often said that they did not want greens to become dime a dozens. effective means of antifarms would then be a good solution. Since Anet hardly talks about droprate details (like exact chances fot greens) we are none the wiser, but I can assure you, those greens drop.
Completing Factions Grandmaster Cartographer with Henchmen = One Green drop
Completing Nightfall Grandmaster Cartographer with Henchmen = Three green drops. (incl. the before mentioned Darksong)
Maybe the farm detection got better? After all, the community often said that they did not want greens to become dime a dozens. effective means of antifarms would then be a good solution. Since Anet hardly talks about droprate details (like exact chances fot greens) we are none the wiser, but I can assure you, those greens drop.
Paperfly
I've had three 100% random green drops during normal (quest) play with henchies - I wasn't even mapping!
...Conveniently, the first green drop on my Domination mesmer was a Domination staff. I took that as a sign of some sort of divine approval.
...Conveniently, the first green drop on my Domination mesmer was a Domination staff. I took that as a sign of some sort of divine approval.
Effendi Westland
This dude is bugging us also, we killed him 15 times (4 heroes 4 player team) and havent seen the green yet.
Somewhere Koss is building up a stash of spears......
Somewhere Koss is building up a stash of spears......
Eilsys
I bought it for 30k, since I wanted a max spear.
I don't really regret it anymore, after all the stories of him being stingy.
I don't really regret it anymore, after all the stories of him being stingy.
Cherno
Was questing with my buddy yesterday and we killed him (sent the henchies away) and he dropped it the first time for him.
I went out today with another guildie and we killed him and he dropped it the first time for me.
I went out today with another guildie and we killed him and he dropped it the first time for me.
eggs0wn
Wow, thanks for the input guys. I don't think I did ever get the farming code but I'm still not sure what it was. Since this weekend is 3x drop I guess I'll trry alot there. I'll also try the thing where you send away your henchies. Oh, btw, can someone post a solo Paragon build so I can kill him by myself.
Eclair
Considering that the spear is now like 15k or less, people are definately getting drops.
You guys do know that if you flag your henchmen to go far away and their names in the party turn grey, you no longer share drops with them?
With the 3x green weekend coming up, I seriously doubt any green except the endgame ones is going to be worth over 25k
You guys do know that if you flag your henchmen to go far away and their names in the party turn grey, you no longer share drops with them?
With the 3x green weekend coming up, I seriously doubt any green except the endgame ones is going to be worth over 25k
Karmaniac
After some experimentation in NF I assure you that the green drop rates are nowhere near the rates of Factions. Just for heck of it- all drops are slimmer than in previous chapters. If you want to see something rare its max damage white weapon. I'm still to witness one dropping and I'm the Realm of Torment.
The Winds Silence
just wanted to state a fact to help out, ive farmed luluhs spear ehh i would say quite a bit, about 12 times...with 3 heroes...and got it 8 times.. u want a better spot..go there
Curse You
Some things you guys overlooked:
Jishol Darksong is right next to the portal. I have noticed that, the easier it is to get to a boss, the less often they will drop their green weapon. This would make sense, because it helps to reduce the number to around the same amount as a green droped by a boss in the middle of an area.
Also, I can kill Jishol Darksong with a 55hp necro/monk. (if you can't figure out how I do that, then you shouldn't be farming)
Jishol Darksong is right next to the portal. I have noticed that, the easier it is to get to a boss, the less often they will drop their green weapon. This would make sense, because it helps to reduce the number to around the same amount as a green droped by a boss in the middle of an area.
Also, I can kill Jishol Darksong with a 55hp necro/monk. (if you can't figure out how I do that, then you shouldn't be farming)
chikorita23
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by The Winds Silence
just wanted to state a fact to help out, ive farmed luluhs spear ehh i would say quite a bit, about 12 times...with 3 heroes...and got it 8 times.. u want a better spot..go there
|
I farm Luluhs's spear..... around 15 try, only one drop! *and I also farm it with 3 heros*
doinchi
I farmed him with 3 of my heros and killed him 30 times and got nothing. He is an easy farm, give it a month or two and it will probably become a common and cheap green.
DevilStick
By chance, I happened by this boss for the first time this morning, and he dropped the spear for me. Despite having 7 NPCs in my party.
It's just blind luck sometimes.
It's just blind luck sometimes.
Paperfly
I'm suprised there's no crowds lined up to farm Marobeh Sharptail yet. Dude's one mob away from an outpost, and he drops arguably the best damage-dealing scythe in the game.
The one mob of necros makes a lot of solo builds untenable, I guess. I'd still be interested in seeing if anyone can come up with a consistent 2-man that beats Suffering, Toxic Chill and Wounding Strike...
The one mob of necros makes a lot of solo builds untenable, I guess. I'd still be interested in seeing if anyone can come up with a consistent 2-man that beats Suffering, Toxic Chill and Wounding Strike...
Curse You
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Paperfly
I'm suprised there's no crowds lined up to farm Marobeh Sharptail yet. Dude's one mob away from an outpost, and he drops arguably the best damage-dealing scythe in the game.
The one mob of necros makes a lot of solo builds untenable, I guess. I'd still be interested in seeing if anyone can come up with a consistent 2-man that beats Suffering, Toxic Chill and Wounding Strike... |
Now to test this...
morbis
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Curse You
I already have a solo build. Hybrid 55hp necro ftw!!
Now to test this... |
Curse You
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by morbis
another build that works is the aformentioned killing all the mobs around him, sending them away and going back with your midnight n/me
|
Eclair
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Paperfly
I'm suprised there's no crowds lined up to farm Marobeh Sharptail yet. Dude's one mob away from an outpost, and he drops arguably the best damage-dealing scythe in the game.
The one mob of necros makes a lot of solo builds untenable, I guess. I'd still be interested in seeing if anyone can come up with a consistent 2-man that beats Suffering, Toxic Chill and Wounding Strike... |
Deleet
Either over farmed areas DOES matter or the drop rates are really really low.
I've killed Sskai boss over 50 times, (not in a row) and i never got it.
I've killed Sskai boss over 50 times, (not in a row) and i never got it.