palwa joko? *possible spoilers*
Dutch Masterr
we find out about my favorite npc in the game--palwa joko (he just says the funniest things). but my question is, after we get to the bone palace, we never hear of him again. when we first meet him he seems like he will play bigger role in the game besides telling you how to use the wurms. ill also quote zhed shadowhoof "im sure well be seeing him again". and we all know hints like that in guild wars are always an obvious hint to the rest of the game. now i may not remember correctly, but what exactly happens to palwa joko after the gates of desolation/bone palace?
Shadis
Judging by how upset he was over his forces falling into such disarray, he's probably seriously considering stuffing himself back down in that tomb.
Avarre
As far as the storyline tells, he stays at the palace using his armies to battle the Margonite armies, allowing you to essentially walk up to Varesh.
Also, this goes to lore.
Also, this goes to lore.
The undead Mesmer
Perhaps they just gave a little spoiler about who we might see back in ch4 
Who knows perhaps palawa is our next evil super villian :/
(Dont want that the undead dude is cool)
Who knows perhaps palawa is our next evil super villian :/(Dont want that the undead dude is cool)
Omega X
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Perhaps they just gave a little spoiler about who we might see back in ch4
Who knows perhaps palawa is our next evil super villian :/(Dont want that the undead dude is cool) |
Xiypher
kormir and palawa team up to unleash hell
i dont like kormir, power hungry and stupid
i dont like kormir, power hungry and stupid
Makkert
my money is on 'Dhuum' as next big supervillian.
Ic Zero
maybe one of abaddon's loyal workshipper is gonna bring him back to life.....
ah well, i watched too much ''Harry Potter''
ah well, i watched too much ''Harry Potter''
FireFox
seeing as he was pretty evil in his day I dont really see the player teaming up with him anymore now that abbadon is out of the picture
draxynnic
It's actually an interesting question. Is it, for instance, possible for Palawa to redeem himself - or at least decide that he's tried and failed once, he's going to sit around and be nice in his own territory for a while?
It is worth noting that by the end of Nightfall, he knows there are heroes around that were responsible for bringing down a god - and even before that, at least some of the heroes around will have taken down a lich before. He's probably smart enough not to make himself the next target on the list...
Furthermore, if you return to the Chantry of Secrets, once you've crossed the Desolation there's a quest available which is basically "find the tunnels Palawa used to invade Vabbi in the first place". Ultimately, if Palawa was going to attack again, he's not going to catch Elona by surprise like he did the first time - even if you don't do the quest, they're still going to keep in mind that they should keep an eye on the mines as long as he's sitting on the other side.
Metagaming it a little, it is worth noting that he does end up as a permanent feature in an outpost, where major characters destined to have an unpleasant end normally only show up in missions and explorables. It would kind of destroy the suspension of disbelief if you were to kill him in some quest, then come back and find him still standing around in his palace giving out quests... (It's actually something I think ANet messed up a little. Even if they plan on having him remain in place forever, they should have kept him out of the outpost just to keep the issue in doubt...)
It is worth noting that by the end of Nightfall, he knows there are heroes around that were responsible for bringing down a god - and even before that, at least some of the heroes around will have taken down a lich before. He's probably smart enough not to make himself the next target on the list...
Furthermore, if you return to the Chantry of Secrets, once you've crossed the Desolation there's a quest available which is basically "find the tunnels Palawa used to invade Vabbi in the first place". Ultimately, if Palawa was going to attack again, he's not going to catch Elona by surprise like he did the first time - even if you don't do the quest, they're still going to keep in mind that they should keep an eye on the mines as long as he's sitting on the other side.
Metagaming it a little, it is worth noting that he does end up as a permanent feature in an outpost, where major characters destined to have an unpleasant end normally only show up in missions and explorables. It would kind of destroy the suspension of disbelief if you were to kill him in some quest, then come back and find him still standing around in his palace giving out quests... (It's actually something I think ANet messed up a little. Even if they plan on having him remain in place forever, they should have kept him out of the outpost just to keep the issue in doubt...)
The undead Mesmer
I still put my bets on Palawa having a major role in ch4 he just has the whole super villian scheme all over him (Although in a stupid way ya know with those villians that never succeed but always come back)
We need more Joko love mon!
Btw! look in the manual what does his text say? ''Who knows, History is still being written.''
We need more Joko love mon!
Btw! look in the manual what does his text say? ''Who knows, History is still being written.''
Bellucci
if joko were to gain power, it would take a lot of time.... most of these campaigns take place very close to each other, they are proximal in the sense of time... it really doesnt make sense to add a quest where palawa joko becomes all powerful, because then what? So he rebuilt his whole army in a day? 1 year? so you see the issues you could have there... I assume palawa joko would need several upon several years to regain any strength?
Kit Engel
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if joko were to gain power, it would take a lot of time.... most of these campaigns take place very close to each other, they are proximal in the sense of time... it really doesnt make sense to add a quest where palawa joko becomes all powerful, because then what? So he rebuilt his whole army in a day? 1 year? so you see the issues you could have there... I assume palawa joko would need several upon several years to regain any strength?
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draxynnic
On the other side of things - how long did it take the Lich or Shiro to amass forces that could threaten the entire continent? Undead forces - or forces otherwise formed from converting an innocent or even enemy populace, such as through the Affliction - can be built up a lot faster than a mortal army. And that's without considering the possibility of finding some other source of troops like the Titans.
Still, I suspect his plan for reestabolishing domination, if he has one, does have "wait until the current swarm of heroes has died down." Really, considering what the PCs have accomplished at the end of Nightfall, he'd be stupid to try something while they're still around.
Still, I suspect his plan for reestabolishing domination, if he has one, does have "wait until the current swarm of heroes has died down." Really, considering what the PCs have accomplished at the end of Nightfall, he'd be stupid to try something while they're still around.
thezed
I agree. He waited almost 200 years to get out of his tomb, I think Joko will continue to defend his teritory for another few hundred years before making another move. And by that time I doubt our PC heros will still be around.
feye
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Furthermore, if you return to the Chantry of Secrets, once you've crossed the Desolation there's a quest available which is basically "find the tunnels Palawa used to invade Vabbi in the first place". Ultimately, if Palawa was going to attack again, he's not going to catch Elona by surprise like he did the first time - even if you don't do the quest, they're still going to keep in mind that they should keep an eye on the mines as long as he's sitting on the other side.
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Guildmaster Cain
Shhh... Palawa Joko is going to replace Grenth in chapter 4, much like Kormir replacing Abaddon...
But dont tell... remember I heard this from my best friends uncle that does the garden roses in Palawa Joko's third wife's garden.
But dont tell... remember I heard this from my best friends uncle that does the garden roses in Palawa Joko's third wife's garden.
draxynnic
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There's such a quest?
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Tarus From Taros
Ya know, He kinda reminds me of Skeletor. His whole attitude and the way he treats those under him is really......Skeletor-ish.
draxynnic
From the Whispers Adept on completing Scourge of Vabbi:
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Now that we know how he moved his forces, we can prepare for his next invasion. He will attack again, I am sure of it. It may not be soon, but Palawa Joko can afford to wait until we are dead and gone. Sooner or later he will seek rule over Elona again. The Scourge of Vabbi can hold his breath for an eternity if need be...
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Tide to Go
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Originally Posted by Dutch Masterr
we find out about my favorite npc in the game--palwa joko (he just says the funniest things). but my question is, after we get to the bone palace, we never hear of him again. when we first meet him he seems like he will play bigger role in the game besides telling you how to use the wurms. ill also quote zhed shadowhoof "im sure well be seeing him again". and we all know hints like that in guild wars are always an obvious hint to the rest of the game. now i may not remember correctly, but what exactly happens to palwa joko after the gates of desolation/bone palace?
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Tide to Go
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Originally Posted by Ic Zero
maybe one of abaddon's loyal workshipper is gonna bring him back to life.....
ah well, i watched too much ''Harry Potter'' |
Sophitia Leafblade
Although Joko would make a great villain it wouldnt fit in with gws style so far, since it would require the same Elona map with a few changes to represent the years advancing, which is what weve wanted for Tryia for so long but hasnt happened. Besides how many Undead army fights do u wanna have, every chapter so far has been about Gods and Undead, it would be nice to not have that again for a 4th time. NF is meant to end the triliogy storyline after all 
kerosinigami
i doubt joko would be the villain, there is a tont aht points to it being a unreliable idea, games need new land to explore and fight on. re-using the old maps would mess with people who dont have that expansion. and joko is pretty much in the center of elona, and tyria.
i dont think joko is out of the entire loop though. they emphasized a lot on how joko is great with deals, and since we know so little on him... id wager he became as powerful as he is with some deal. but with who? hmm?
i dont think joko is out of the entire loop though. they emphasized a lot on how joko is great with deals, and since we know so little on him... id wager he became as powerful as he is with some deal. but with who? hmm?
Elvarg
I have a gut feeling Pawala will not be the bad guy, at least not the bad guy we fight.
See, all our major enemies so far were betrayers. They played the good guy. We trusted them all the way, and then they turn their back on us. The lich helped us through most of the game, and then attacked; the white mantle were supposed to be the good guys, Varesh was occupying a "good" position until late in the NF campaign; I did't play Factions storyline yet but I'm pretty sure its the same thing there.
Pawala, on the other hand, is honest. He speaks what he thinks. He makes no illusion that he's the bad guy. For that reason, I don't think we'll fight him, it'd just be too plain for ANet. Probably it'll be twisted like other stuff, but in the other direction - I'd rather bet on Pawala ending up being the good guy.
Perhaps a later story will reveal that he was actually the rightful owner of the kingdom he lost during that big battle, and that the land now owned by the Princes belong to him.
Personally, I'd rather side with good ol witty Pawala than those snobbish and ignorant Princes (especially that Theater prince).
See, all our major enemies so far were betrayers. They played the good guy. We trusted them all the way, and then they turn their back on us. The lich helped us through most of the game, and then attacked; the white mantle were supposed to be the good guys, Varesh was occupying a "good" position until late in the NF campaign; I did't play Factions storyline yet but I'm pretty sure its the same thing there.
Pawala, on the other hand, is honest. He speaks what he thinks. He makes no illusion that he's the bad guy. For that reason, I don't think we'll fight him, it'd just be too plain for ANet. Probably it'll be twisted like other stuff, but in the other direction - I'd rather bet on Pawala ending up being the good guy.
Perhaps a later story will reveal that he was actually the rightful owner of the kingdom he lost during that big battle, and that the land now owned by the Princes belong to him.
Personally, I'd rather side with good ol witty Pawala than those snobbish and ignorant Princes (especially that Theater prince).
Priest Of Sin
Ch4: Lyssa, Dwayna, Melandru team up to wreak havok because they have no special realms, but their statues light up when we have favor!
Guild Wars: HolycraplookatthePOedgods
Coming soon...
Guild Wars: HolycraplookatthePOedgods
Coming soon...
Etrik
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I have a gut feeling Pawala will not be the bad guy, at least not the bad guy we fight.
See, all our major enemies so far were betrayers. They played the good guy. We trusted them all the way, and then they turn their back on us. The lich helped us through most of the game, and then attacked; the white mantle were supposed to be the good guys, Varesh was occupying a "good" position until late in the NF campaign; I did't play Factions storyline yet but I'm pretty sure its the same thing there. |
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Palawa, on the other hand, is honest. He speaks what he thinks. He makes no illusion that he's the bad guy. For that reason, I don't think we'll fight him, it'd just be too plain for ANet. Probably it'll be twisted like other stuff, but in the other direction - I'd rather bet on Pawala ending up being the good guy.
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Perhaps a later story will reveal that he was actually the rightful owner of the kingdom he lost during that big battle, and that the land now owned by the Princes belong to him.
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Personally, I'd rather side with good ol witty Pawala than those snobbish and ignorant Princes (especially that Theater prince).
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Mortanius
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Originally Posted by Makkert
my money is on 'Dhuum' as next big supervillian.
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NinjaKai
Since they tied up many chapter lose ends in Nightfall. My guess would be on something a little more original than repeat characters.
mrmango
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Mine too.
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Skyy High
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That would at least solve any lore issues we have with fighting Palawa.
Cid
Considering its pretty blatant the next chapters gonna have 'arctic' feel... so.. really cold... guessin some kinda dwarven thing.
They've tied up loose ends, and some new ideas would be cool, so something about the Great Dwarf + Great Destroyer + arctic GW imo = GW4
They've tied up loose ends, and some new ideas would be cool, so something about the Great Dwarf + Great Destroyer + arctic GW imo = GW4
Etrik
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Originally Posted by Cid
Considering its pretty blatant the next chapters gonna have 'arctic' feel... so.. really cold... guessin some kinda dwarven thing.
They've tied up loose ends, and some new ideas would be cool, so something about the Great Dwarf + Great Destroyer + arctic GW imo = GW4 |
Mark Nevermiss
Kormir started this whole Abaddon mess by reading the Apocrypha, and eventually ended up taking his place. Sounds tome like Kormir and Abaddon took everyone for fools (including the 5, Varesh, the demons and US) in a bid to free Abaddon's power whilst appeasing the 5, who convinced that Kormir is a good girl and that Abaddon was defeated, allowed Abaddon's energy in the form of Kormir to take up his former place.
All the pieces seem to fit. Kormir may well be the new super villain.
Or may not.
All the pieces seem to fit. Kormir may well be the new super villain.
Or may not.
Free Runner
The whole Abaddon mess had started way before Kormir read the Apocrypha......
I also dont think Kormir would even come close to the next villain. Why would she? what reason does she have?. From what most of the ghosts in torment say Kormir has let herself into a never ending curse from quotes like:
"Poor Kormir, poor sad goddess raised up to the stars, cursed to see only the infinite blackness between them..."
I also dont think Joko would be the next Villain. He is only Elonas worry and having seen "well-to-do hero types" take on a dark fallen god and live...... i dont think he would be up for taking over the world anytime soon...
I also dont think Kormir would even come close to the next villain. Why would she? what reason does she have?. From what most of the ghosts in torment say Kormir has let herself into a never ending curse from quotes like:
"Poor Kormir, poor sad goddess raised up to the stars, cursed to see only the infinite blackness between them..."
I also dont think Joko would be the next Villain. He is only Elonas worry and having seen "well-to-do hero types" take on a dark fallen god and live...... i dont think he would be up for taking over the world anytime soon...
Sophitia Leafblade
Jokos army is a mess (as seen by the cutscene before u arrive at his citadel) hes in no position to challenge anyone.
And if he were to try again, it would take him years to prepare which would mean a big time leap which would something not consistant with gw, since else our chars should be either massivly aged or dead.
As for Kormir i believe she could be the 1st of the new gods, since the 5 gods are refered to as the old gods, it makes sence that perhaps they will be a full set of new gods. (possibly Joko as God of Dead, that would suit him, people worshipping him in death, and having control of the underworld)
Or alternativly the end result being the true chosen ie ur heros who have ascended, become Wen su cho (or what ever its called
) etc become the new gods of tryia with Kormir. Guardians of all, restoring balance, (well theve made a good job so far )
And if he were to try again, it would take him years to prepare which would mean a big time leap which would something not consistant with gw, since else our chars should be either massivly aged or dead.
As for Kormir i believe she could be the 1st of the new gods, since the 5 gods are refered to as the old gods, it makes sence that perhaps they will be a full set of new gods. (possibly Joko as God of Dead, that would suit him, people worshipping him in death, and having control of the underworld)
Or alternativly the end result being the true chosen ie ur heros who have ascended, become Wen su cho (or what ever its called
) etc become the new gods of tryia with Kormir. Guardians of all, restoring balance, (well theve made a good job so far )