1) If you delete your character, it's gone. End of discussuion. It cannot be restored, loot is gone, gold is gone.
2) Your most coveted title can be removed, done away with revamped, etc. Nothing is carved in stone.
3) The stats/damage/abilities of your favorite weapon can be altered, changed, reduced, enchanced at any time with or without warning.
4) Your characters overall power, and or abilities can be enchanced, reduced, their effectiveness, retarded or increased, as the game progresses.
5) Difficulty of missions, the type, value and amount of loot dropped can go up and down without warning.
In otherwords, the GW world and the world of many other MMORPG's is "alive" and "evolving". You are not in control of it, the powers that be are. So it's much like life. Most control is imagined and not real.
If these facts upset you, annoy you and make you angry, then possibly the world of MMORPG's are not for you. Realizing this on my own behalf and accepting it, have made for much better game play. I stopped trying to looot the weapons I wanted, saved up and bought them. It was simpler and now I have what I want. I also realized the game is just that, a game. If I stay and play I accept there will be changes, and I may not like some of them. Then it is my choice to stay or go. Yelling, trolling etc serves no point. The ONLY thing GW and other games understand is low sales. If you do not like how the game is going, do not whine and still buy the next chapter. If you do, your remarks are mute. Speak with your checkbook, not your hate. It's their sandbox, you can stay, or take your toys and go home.
Things I learned to accept while playing GW
Enchanted Warrior
Haggard
I'd also like to point out that nothing is constant, so this can only be expected.
Sid Soggybottom
Unfortunately, people can't seem to understand all that. It's an online world where anything will change for the better or worse. The more flexible you are, the more you're able to cope with inevitable changes. If there are too many changes that you just simply don't like. Then just find a different game. Good post Enchanted.
Enchanted Warrior
Thanks, I think alot of people are too accustomed to the old PC games (single player) and how it is always the same, you are "in control" as it were. I know that was part of my own issues. In some ways MMORPG's are superior, in some they are not. In some ways I miss the old PC games. But time marches on. I do however treat the game as a product now, and hold the mfr's accountable for it's operation. I expect the same as I do from any purchase.
birdfoot
I don't think there's an absolute right or wrong way of playing (unless we base it by coming up with certain assumptions). But I do feel that OP has made a valid point, at least from one perspective alone. I actually feel there are also many who don't have much issues with the made changes to GW and there's probably a fair number that rather if any changes were to be made, they could be done so to expand gameplay instead.
Agreed, the choice is always the players'. But I do think that to a certain extent, ANet does want to know what players think too. Before going, I think it's good to let ANet know what aspects of the game they do not appreciate. Whether ANet finds those information useful or not would be up to them, after all, when players decide to leave, it hardly matters anymore. Whatever the players have left for ANet may serve as food for thought for future development and prospective players.
Well, yes that would be unneccessary. Not all complaints may be associated to "yelling" though. "Yelling" or not depends on the tone with which the post was presented. 
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Lets Get to Healing
I don't exactly understand this thread. All I really see is a guy complaining with a list.
Enchanted Warrior
Then you choose to see this as negative, your choice. Others do not.
Contempt
Sigh... another person who thinks he has to choach the rest of the community.
Shaggeh
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Balance isn't an easy thing to achieve, and it's something that's taken for granted by fans of nearly any game. The company always ends up looking like the bad-guy because they messed with a skill that someone happened to like, and never once think about the people on the other end of that exploitation.
Narutoscryed
SNIP! Don't quote the entire op, people.
Im gonna point somthing out..
The deleted character one is pretty right.. but people have been banned permannantly then unbaned because they talked on these forums and anet listened.
Not exactly sure what you mean about titles so i wont comment. but a thread even exists right now asking public opinion on it.
The stats on weapons does change.. but i honestly have never seen a weapon get weaker with a change. In example 10/10 sundering to 20/20.. and that is because a TON of people realized how weak 10 10 was and made it known on these forums.
as for the character himself getting weaker or stronger: I can only assume you are refering to aoe updates and skill updates... and as far as i know many people have been to these forums asking for changes with skills and anet had to listen to them because they complained so much.. i believe one update was extremly popular for that.. but im not sure witch.
as for mission dificulty: thunderhead keep was changed due to the massive ammount of people here complaining about how difficult it was. i belive that was a few months after the time "thunderhell keep" got its nickname. It is now super easy
So while your right that the game changes... .it usually changes because of the very people that you are pretty much telling to shut up..
so in the end if you dont like the fact that forums like this and the people that post genuin concerns in them play a huge part in getting anet to change somthing............... i dont know ummm how did that go......
"then possibly the world of MMORPG's are not for you"
there we go
Im gonna point somthing out..
The deleted character one is pretty right.. but people have been banned permannantly then unbaned because they talked on these forums and anet listened.
Not exactly sure what you mean about titles so i wont comment. but a thread even exists right now asking public opinion on it.
The stats on weapons does change.. but i honestly have never seen a weapon get weaker with a change. In example 10/10 sundering to 20/20.. and that is because a TON of people realized how weak 10 10 was and made it known on these forums.
as for the character himself getting weaker or stronger: I can only assume you are refering to aoe updates and skill updates... and as far as i know many people have been to these forums asking for changes with skills and anet had to listen to them because they complained so much.. i believe one update was extremly popular for that.. but im not sure witch.
as for mission dificulty: thunderhead keep was changed due to the massive ammount of people here complaining about how difficult it was. i belive that was a few months after the time "thunderhell keep" got its nickname. It is now super easy
So while your right that the game changes... .it usually changes because of the very people that you are pretty much telling to shut up..
so in the end if you dont like the fact that forums like this and the people that post genuin concerns in them play a huge part in getting anet to change somthing............... i dont know ummm how did that go......
"then possibly the world of MMORPG's are not for you"
there we go
Jetdoc
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15% Firey Flame Spitter
ANY gold staff with a recharge modifier prior to Nightfall
ANY non-perfect non-inscribable weapon
The list goes on and on...
Jetdoc
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Enchanted Warrior
Jetdoc, I knew that was coming LOL I knew it as soon as I hit submit
TalonTheCat
Agree totally. The list you described is a good analogy for life in general - it changes. To survive you must "roll with the punches"
Enchanted Warrior
Narutoscryed, people that can voice their concerns and/or complaints intelligentlly, can make their views heard. Trolls, and those that think yelling etc is the best way, are simply misinformed. As for being banned from here and allowed back, that is up to the GWG staff, not anet.
Swinging Fists
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As for being banned from here and allowed back, that is up to the GWG staff, not anet.
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Warrior Of The Toon
You forgot to mention one point: Things always seem to balance back out.
Eg: GW: X build gets nerfed, Y build replaces it
Irl: Interest rates change, people chance their spending/borrowing habits
Eg: GW: X build gets nerfed, Y build replaces it
Irl: Interest rates change, people chance their spending/borrowing habits
Div
One more thing to note about things people need to learn to accept while playing GW: there are smart players, and there are retards. there are polite people, and there are assholes. you can encounter any type of people in this game.
Jecht Scye
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1) If you delete your character, it's gone. End of discussuion. It cannot be restored, loot is gone, gold is gone.
2) Your most coveted title can be removed, done away with revamped, etc. Nothing is carved in stone. 3) The stats/damage/abilities of your favorite weapon can be altered, changed, reduced, enchanced at any time with or without warning. 4) Your characters overall power, and or abilities can be enchanced, reduced, their effectiveness, retarded or increased, as the game progresses. 5) Difficulty of missions, the type, value and amount of loot dropped can go up and down without warning. In otherwords, the GW world and the world of many other MMORPG's is "alive" and "evolving". You are not in control of it, the powers that be are. So it's much like life. Most control is imagined and not real. If these facts upset you, annoy you and make you angry, then possibly the world of MMORPG's are not for you. Realizing this on my own behalf and accepting it, have made for much better game play. I stopped trying to looot the weapons I wanted, saved up and bought them. It was simpler and now I have what I want. I also realized the game is just that, a game. If I stay and play I accept there will be changes, and I may not like some of them. Then it is my choice to stay or go. Yelling, trolling etc serves no point. The ONLY thing GW and other games understand is low sales. If you do not like how the game is going, do not whine and still buy the next chapter. If you do, your remarks are mute. Speak with your checkbook, not your hate. It's their sandbox, you can stay, or take your toys and go home. |
Enchanted Warrior
Thanks for the kind words, I just felt like posting what I had learned, in hopes it might help.. oh man now I sound like an afterschool special.."What I did on my summer vaction.."
Anyway thankie
Anyway thankie
Age
I would just like to point out though that this is really not an MMO and such it can be changed.It is more like some other games I play that are online and offline and can be modded.When I play those and there are problems or don't like the server we blame the modders in this case with GW it is the Devs themselves who are the modders.In essence you can whine and rant about them doing this and that.
Eviance
Also that with every expansion or semi major update there are BUGS, learn to deal till they get fixed and spazzing wont fix them!
Narutoscryed
there is a huge difference between a good thread with some valid points and arguements and what you have referd to as "spazzing" and "whining"
When people have a problem they let if be known.. now if they go in and say OMFG THIS SUCKS TOTALY BALLS I HATE IT.. then that is spazzing
but if they create a thread that holds valid points and starts a few heated debates.. then there really is nothing wrong with that and i feel people should not be labled for it..
as for me refering to people being banned.. i was refering to ingame bans being removed because people came here to say somthing about it.... do you all remember the MASSIVE ban that came a while ago... anet banned a HUGE number of people.. had those people not made a 1K+ post thread about it.. then most of the accounts would not have been found wrongly banned and reversed... but as it stands the people that posted here got an answer and alot of them got unbanned aswell... because they rose up and said somthing... would you label those people under these terms of yours?
When people have a problem they let if be known.. now if they go in and say OMFG THIS SUCKS TOTALY BALLS I HATE IT.. then that is spazzing
but if they create a thread that holds valid points and starts a few heated debates.. then there really is nothing wrong with that and i feel people should not be labled for it..
as for me refering to people being banned.. i was refering to ingame bans being removed because people came here to say somthing about it.... do you all remember the MASSIVE ban that came a while ago... anet banned a HUGE number of people.. had those people not made a 1K+ post thread about it.. then most of the accounts would not have been found wrongly banned and reversed... but as it stands the people that posted here got an answer and alot of them got unbanned aswell... because they rose up and said somthing... would you label those people under these terms of yours?
lacasner
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1) If you delete your character, it's gone. End of discussuion. It cannot be restored, loot is gone, gold is gone.
2) Your most coveted title can be removed, done away with revamped, etc. Nothing is carved in stone. 3) The stats/damage/abilities of your favorite weapon can be altered, changed, reduced, enchanced at any time with or without warning. 4) Your characters overall power, and or abilities can be enchanced, reduced, their effectiveness, retarded or increased, as the game progresses. 5) Difficulty of missions, the type, value and amount of loot dropped can go up and down without warning. In otherwords, the GW world and the world of many other MMORPG's is "alive" and "evolving". You are not in control of it, the powers that be are. So it's much like life. Most control is imagined and not real. If these facts upset you, annoy you and make you angry, then possibly the world of MMORPG's are not for you. Realizing this on my own behalf and accepting it, have made for much better game play. I stopped trying to looot the weapons I wanted, saved up and bought them. It was simpler and now I have what I want. I also realized the game is just that, a game. If I stay and play I accept there will be changes, and I may not like some of them. Then it is my choice to stay or go. Yelling, trolling etc serves no point. The ONLY thing GW and other games understand is low sales. If you do not like how the game is going, do not whine and still buy the next chapter. If you do, your remarks are mute. Speak with your checkbook, not your hate. It's their sandbox, you can stay, or take your toys and go home. |
Enchanted Warrior
Isn't it funny how my admitting a few things gets me flamed and blamed.. ROFLMAO!
Ya gotta love message boards..
Ya gotta love message boards..
lacasner
When you say admitting, it seems like you think you told us a secret...
Ok, im confused someone explain this man's post to me.
Ok, im confused someone explain this man's post to me.
Crushedskulls11
lol, yea it is still trying to figure out lacasner's point but anyway nice post all the stuff there is true, y i like mmos they change and somtimes its nice to visit an area changed and see what its like now, kinda breaths life into the game , especialy the holiday events, like those 
, especialy the holiday events, like those 
Matsumi
Pretty valid points I'd say, main thing is that a lot of things will never stay the same from it being an online game. The developers had ideas about how things would work, and when they don't work a certain way like planned, or when something is abused, it gets changed. I don't think anyone is really in control of that.
About getting bans lifted through posting in forums... I think it was more the number of e-mails sent to support, as suggested by other forum users.
About getting bans lifted through posting in forums... I think it was more the number of e-mails sent to support, as suggested by other forum users.
DutchGun
A very good post EW. You make some points that are, to me, rather self-evident, but obviously not so to many people.
I'm curious about this one. Were there any reports of this occuring? I'm not saying it couldn't happen - I'm just wondering if it did.
Maybe I'm being delusional, but it seems like anet does genuinely care about what their customers think. Many changes to the game have been introduced that are quite obviously driven by fan feedback, both good and bad. Granted, this also happens to co-incide with a good business strategy if you want to be cynical about it, but I think there's a bit more than that.
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The ONLY thing GW and other games understand is low sales. If you do not like how the game is going, do not whine and still buy the next chapter. If you do, your remarks are mute. Speak with your checkbook, not your hate. It's their sandbox, you can stay, or take your toys and go home.
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Trvth Jvstice
So far, none of the nerfs or game play changes have effected me. When Anet nerfed a skill I was using, I simply changed my skillbar a bit and kept fighting the good fight.
Thank goodness I'm not a farmer, I have heard that if you get into farming it can be a pretty fun way to pass the time. I'd be pissed if I had found a way to have fun and enjoy the game between campaigns and Anet had nerfed it into something you can't enjoy.
Thank goodness I'm not a farmer, I have heard that if you get into farming it can be a pretty fun way to pass the time. I'd be pissed if I had found a way to have fun and enjoy the game between campaigns and Anet had nerfed it into something you can't enjoy.
Enchanted Warrior
Essentially I was trying to post my thoughts about how their(gw/anet) game goes etc, and on a scale of 1 to 10 rating my worries in life, this should not be anywhere near important.
As for Anet caring or not, I didn't mean to imply one way or the other. I simply meant it's their game and they will do as they see fit, with or without input. Of course input helps, but in the end the final decision is theirs. Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or vice versa lol
DutchGun, see the poll by Gaile, if they do as proposed, the skill hunter title will be dropped in it's palce will be regional skill hunter titles (Tyrian, Canthan, Elonian etc). and before anyone flames me, I do not have that title and willnot lose anything by it. I merely point out Gailes' poll as an example.
As for Anet caring or not, I didn't mean to imply one way or the other. I simply meant it's their game and they will do as they see fit, with or without input. Of course input helps, but in the end the final decision is theirs. Sometimes the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or vice versa lol
DutchGun, see the poll by Gaile, if they do as proposed, the skill hunter title will be dropped in it's palce will be regional skill hunter titles (Tyrian, Canthan, Elonian etc). and before anyone flames me, I do not have that title and willnot lose anything by it. I merely point out Gailes' poll as an example.
Sid Soggybottom
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Ok..first of all your characters overall power stays the same, have you noticed something called a lvl cap? Also, Guild Wars would be alive and evolving if it actually added an expansion or something, and this game is not an MMORPG anyway so why are you trying to convince yourself that it is?
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"Your characters overall power, and or abilities can be enchanced, reduced, their effectiveness, retarded or increased, as the game progresses."
He is saying that your character can be changed by ANET whenever they change skills, attribute lines, weapon effectiveness, etc etc. Basically the point is that CHANGE HAPPENS, prepare for it and adapt to it. So yeah, you completely missed the point of this thread.
Enchanted Warrior
I think SWGr's here will understand my reason for saying that Sid LOL
Eviance
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there is a huge difference between a good thread with some valid points and arguements and what you have referd to as "spazzing" and "whining"
When people have a problem they let if be known.. now if they go in and say OMFG THIS SUCKS TOTALY BALLS I HATE IT.. then that is spazzing but if they create a thread that holds valid points and starts a few heated debates.. then there really is nothing wrong with that and i feel people should not be labled for it.. as for me refering to people being banned.. i was refering to ingame bans being removed because people came here to say somthing about it.... do you all remember the MASSIVE ban that came a while ago... anet banned a HUGE number of people.. had those people not made a 1K+ post thread about it.. then most of the accounts would not have been found wrongly banned and reversed... but as it stands the people that posted here got an answer and alot of them got unbanned aswell... because they rose up and said somthing... would you label those people under these terms of yours? |
No no I was referring to when the greens got "nerfed" and so people started selling them off and cussing anet. I understand bugs and the need to vent about them, but the scream of nerf on something blatantly obvious of being a bug... THATS Spazzing
And no I think I would have ranted to hell and back for getting the unceremonious ban that rocked the forums. I was around for that hun so I completely understand. Yeah that was really nasty and luckily none in my guild were affected but some in my alliance were. Sometimes freaky things happen and its ok to let anet know because if it is an issue of bug it will be sorted out - basically don't start burning your pc till you have at least most of the facts. Each update has its bugs and quirks and most of them you can roll with...... However I still feel for all those who lost pets that one time to ;_;
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Tsk, tsk....so negative.
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