Wastrel's Collapse, useless?

First I thought this skil rocked as I thought that the knockdown effect would apply if this hex ended, and only sooner if a skill was used, thus ending the hex.

However, if someone uses a skill while hexed with WC, it just ends and nothing happens, and with a 5 second duration this skill seems to be utterly useless to me.

The olny time it would work is is someone would blackout someone right after WC-ing him, wich is not very efficient.

so please someone tell me, can this elite(!) be of any efficient use?

E denial(power leak)--Wastrel's collapse.

and yes, 5 seconds feels kinda long.

Largely crap, I think.

The reason the duration is 5 seconds is probably because if you could spam it, then the duration wouldn't really be 5 seconds, in a sense. 5 seconds for the first one, then a 2 second knockdown, and 3 seconds only actually up. (3 knockdown and 2 seconds up with Earthbind)

Unfortunately, not only does it take too long to active, the recharge is 8 seconds, and bleh =\

Psychic Instability + Interrupts would work out better than Diversion + Wastel's. And I don't even really see too much point in that.

Maybe they'll give it a recharge buff down to at least 5, hopefully 3-4 seconds next update.

CRAP! I named my new character Shameful Waste (the name Wastrel's Collapse originally was) and I didn't bother to check in-game if it was still Shameful Waste...and now...it got a name change...NOES!

Yes, 5 seconds is too long. I don't think it's worth being elite.

Ghostly hero when capping is about the only useful thing I could think of. As Claim Resource has a 5 second activation, you could use it just before they start use Claim Resource then cover it like crazy.

But... meh.

Diversion or Shame, Wastrel's Collapse, then dump some cheap cover on it?

Here's my Wastrel's Collapse build:

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Shutdown Knockdown Mesmer (Me/As)

Domination: 14
Illusion: 10
Inspiration: 10
Fast Cast: 9
Deadly Arts: 3

Siphon Speed: -33% snare, +33% speed buff for 8s
Wastrel's Collapse: Hex spell that KDs foe if they don't use a skill for 5s
Blackout: Foe's skills are disabled for 6s, yours for 5s
Diversion: For 6s, one skill used by foe has an added +53s recharge

Power Drain: Interrupt a spell and receive +16E
Distortion: Dodge 75% physical attacks for 4s, -2E per whiff
Ether Feast: -3E to foe, +37 HP per energy drained (+111 HP max)
Rez

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Out of curiousity, what does Wastrel's Collapse add to this build that isn't already accomplished without it?

You snare, Divert, and Blackout a target to shut them down, what exactly is Wastrel's Collapse adding to the equation?


Knockdowns are desirable because they are complete shutdown. They negate movement, most skill usage (not shouts, stances or castless skills), and attacking.

You already cripple movement with a snare and shut down skill usage with Diversion and Blackout, while Wastrel's Collapse isn't going to put much of a damper on normal attacking. The snare works much better in that respect.


I'm not saying one can't build around a 'bad' elite, but it hardly seems effective or worthwhile in this instance. I'd much rather throw in another more versatile elite in a variant on that build.

KDs are awesome immobilizers of skill use and movement. -100% movement every 8s for your teammates to beat on him is better than the -33% of SS.

With that said, you make a good point. I guess I tackled this elite from the angle of "what can I do with it?" instead of "what does it significantly do for me?". For the elite spot it may indeed be better to consider other options if the build stays as is.

However, one thing that would add purpose to it is to use this skill for the Rez:

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