Change Sunspear title (this is NOT about you can't max it)

All titles are hard in some way, normally when you see someone with a title of level (5) or more is amazing, incredible hard to get normally, you can see here the only title you could get to (5) or more extremely easy is the Sunspear one: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Titles

This even have some minor problems in game, like it's a fake rank title if you see it really fast in HA, or when I go with my hard earned HA rank title in Elona, people just think it's Sunspear aka super-easy-to-get-title.

The only one title anyone even the newbiest one could past from level (5) is Sunspear. My suggestion is change it to a max of (4), when you could get up to level (1) in the first island, get (2) for continue the main missions, and an extremely hard level (3) and/or (4). About the sunspear res signet, is easy, 25% of energy per rank, up to 100% in rank (4)

(1) Sunspear Captain 500 points.
(2) Sunspear General 2,500 points.
(3) Sunspear Castellan 7,500 points.
(4) Spearmarshal 15,000 points.

I see no problems with the Sunspear title track as it currently is.

I know is not easy to understand, because it's psychological. Before Nightfall, every time you saw a (5), (6) or more in a title, you felt respect and admiration for that player, now everyone could have that just killing some monsters.

So your p'd off because the max title isnt above (4).

I can honestly think of more important things that Anet needs to worry about, other then whether a max title can be reached by rank 4.

If you want to look flashy with a max title which goes up to rank 5 or 6, then display that one instead.

Another one that doesn't understand my point

Well, I hope at least one developer read this thread, don't really matter if he/she answer or not; I hope he/she understand the big importance of the "psychology" of the title numbers. Sunspear title is indirectly decreasing the real value of the others titles; IMO all titles should be very difficult to get to that numbers.

I would have agreed with you until I got my new title, now I don't care. But I do know where you're coming from. It kind of bothered me too.

How on earth is it decreasing the value of other titles? IMO it sounds more like you don't want casual players running around with a title, no one sits there thinking 'oh s/he's lvl 6 sunspear s/he must be great'. Its a title related to the storyline and from what I've seen makes lesser Sunspear NPC's see you as a hero. It could have 20 ranks in it and I wouldn't think of it any different other than an easy title to get that improves a skill, most people aren't idiots and know what the Sunspear rank is.

Well, in some way, yeah, I don't wanna see "casual" players with titles, indeed, the only one title a "casual" player could show is the Sunspear one; and also, I am sick of seeing people with that super easy title out there; Now the only way to be different and special is don't show it, got it?

lol. Someone doesnt agree with you, and you say they dont understand your point.

I understand your point perfectly mate. So dont try to call people stupid just because they dont agree with you.

I have 4 full titles as it is and im within inches of my 5th one. I appreciate the fact that at max they have more ranks in them, compared to titles such as Sunspear.

But the difference is.... I DONT CARE. I dont see the issue. I dont see the "psychological" issue of it.

I have 4 other full titles, and if I need one to show off I can just select it. Why anyone wants to show off their sunspear title anyway, I dont know. The only good it does is increasing dmg when using that sunspear skill.

But if they want to, then so be it. We have countless other titles which takes loads of effort to achieve, so go do them.

If you dont like how the sunspear title only takes 4 ranks to complete, then complete it and DONT SHOW IT.

What idiot is honestly going to look at you, see your title, see you have the max title for sunspear and go....

"OMG, that titles not as good because it only takes 4 ranks to be max on it...pffft"

....the answer? Vain, egotistical morons. I suspect that your one of those people. I apologise if im wrong, but from what youve wrote, you seem more bothered about whether you look good with your title, as apose to the sheer satisfaction of just completing it.

I understand your meaning, but I don't see the problem -- if any. The "psychology of the title numbers" holds no ground in the eyes of experienced players.

So new and ignorant players show it off because five is greater than three. "Yahoo, I pwnz!" *rolls eyes* However, if you've been around Guild Wars, you should know better.

The sunspear ranks meld nicely into the story of Night Fall and has a proper sense of progression. But outside of the story, that title holds no real meaning. (Except for having your rebirth signet more effective.)

To be honest, any of the titles have no real meaning to me. Albeit some have their useful effects like Wisdom, Treasure Hunter, and Lightbringer. They are just mere indications of what that player has achieved over time.

So the sunspear rank takes less time than others. But the cartographer title just requires you to explore the map. Drunkard title can be achieved by sitting in town. Big deal? Lightbringer points aren't hard to get either if you have the time to waste. Heck, even fame was farmed before.

How "difficult" are those tasks? Not very. They just take time -- like all the other titles. Of course, more experienced or "smart" players will achieve them in less time. And even that statement has its exceptions.

To make this post come to an end. There is no "psychology of the title numbers". The perception of each player on these titles is where the psychology lies. Some are perfectionists who crave ALL the titles, some like to pick and choose, AND some "just don't care".

Some believe a high rank is representative of one's skill, experience, and abilities. I hardly believe that's true after seeing what I've seen over the span of Guild Wars.

What a title truly represent, is the time and effort you yourself put into each one. If you're proud of it. That's all that matters. If you're not, slap on another one. Simple solution.

/notsigned

come on, make the casual player have a nice high lvl title too

I like it the way it is.
/not signed

I like it when titles like this give "casual" gamers more hope and joy to play more and get more titles.

Titles are for grind. The game is already carebear friendly as-is, and they need something to keep people playing so that they can keep the servers going.

Actually, they need something to get people to buy the next chapter to keep the servers going. The titles, taken by themselves, are financially counter-productive, as they encourage people to use more of arenanet's computing resources than they otherwise would.

This is just completely and utterly wrong. What on earth do titles have to do with computing resources.

It's like saying IMDB can only index 15000 movies, or they'll start losing money due to "increased" load on servers.

The size of database and in-game features has zero (0) impact on server operations, as long as the core design of the game changes.

Changing all missions to 128 players, now that's different. But titles, inventory space, name lengths, etc, etc. Those have zero impact on anything.

Sorry if this has already been posted, don't have the time to check.

The reason it's so easy is because of Hero Skill Points. You get two of them for every new rank in Sunspear and Lightbringer that you get. Therefore, the more ranks, the more hero skill points you get, which I'm pretty sure is what Anet wants.

Besides, the military in the real world (not just America) has many different ranks...I can tell you that the American military has 26 (including "of the (service)" enlisted, warrant officers, and "of the (service)" officers) different ranks for each service. That number might be one or two off, I'm going from memory here, but you get the point.

So yeah, the more ranks, the more hero skill points, the more skills you can get, gg.

As for the psychological aspect, I don't understand why seeing a rank 5 Sunspear should be as impressive as seeing a rank 5 Gladiator. You know how easy or difficult each title is. To me, at least, the number has absolutely no effect on how impressed I am until I know what the title is, too.

You can't even show it under rank 6.
But you'll get a better Sunspear resurrection signet with more ranks.

So there is a reason to make it up to rank 10. (100% energy PvE resurrection)

But no reason to make it a 4 rank title.

People that normally would be happy w/ a standard mission reward go back for masters.
People that normally just run through the explorable areas now hug the walls.
People go and cap unnecessary elites.

There are MANY other examples of how titles increase the load on ANet's servers. With out them, people wouldn't play as much, which would decrease bandwidth and server capacity requirements.

Having said that, however, there's a delicate balance between giving people pointless things to do (titles) to keep them around for the next chapter and the extra server load that this causes. They obviously want people to keep playing and buy the next chapter, but if people play all day, every day, ANet probably loses money on those clients simply because of bandwidth costs.

I would still cap all the elites and get all the missions perfect without the titles, and I won't hug walls, but would enter at least each area once and se most of it.

Im totaly fed up on to get all my 9 PvE characters to R7 to get go on on PvE story line ... I have played 6 chars on whole storyline off Factation .. but in those rank things, Hmm to all my characters ... OMG never gonna do that so ... its only PvP or .. something else.

SO PLZ do something on those rank needeed to go on mission ... its totaly ***** something when u have many PvE characters to do it.

/signed

The sunspear title is no indication of skill but merely time spent killing weak monsters.......

lol NeHoMaR, love the avatar - is that real?

Anyway, I guess you're kinda right, but in my opinion, they should've made the Sunspear Spearmarshal more points, at least 100,000. It's easy to obtain, even though it's not even possible currently, I'm very sure those last points will be easy to obtain, even after it's been made possible.

/signed - But that doesn't mean ANet should put alot of time in this, I'd much rather have the title fixed instead.

i have to agree with maxiemonster. are they gonna change somethign about making it possible to reach spearmarshal tho? i heard of something that it is possible now, but how do you get more points if they dont give you blessings anymore?

The only titles that really mean anything to me are Skill Hunter, and Lightbringer. The reason, because I know that someone with skill hunter is most likely able to use various builds, and someone with lightbringer can help me kill demons.

Now I'm a Sunspear General. Does this mean that I'm "1337"? No, it means I just did quests and killed stuff. Anyone who sees the title should know this, and not care about the title.

Sunspear Ranks are fine the way they are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_ranks

Interesting. the ones I am interested in are cartographer (showing a knowledge of both running and fighting in various areas) and protector (dedication to a particular character- you don't get Protector of Cantha for a character unless you ENJOY playing that character.)

Lightbringer? I see a lot of R4/R5, which means nothing really. I have R4, and did it without farming mobs. And seeing anyone Lightbringer 6 or higher? My first assumption is "AFK farmer, exploiter, cheat." Whether or not they DID exploit and AFK-farm is irrelevant: enough did that the title track is cheapened.

Skill Hunter? If you take the time and effort to collect all the elites needed for that, then you must have put a lot of time and effort into that character. That impresses me more than Lightbringer or Sunspear ranks.

/notsigned

I know what you mean about the titles, but I still think the sunspear track is okay how it is. I mean, titles are always evolving, and you can't expect every single one to stay around (4) or (5).

Isnt this entire thread a bit void, as there isnt a way to even achieve the highest rank yet.

No ones going to be walking around with the max title anyway.

And considering they increased the lightbringer lvls, chances are they will do the same to the sunspear ones.

All that the Lightbringer title means to me is that they an increased survivability against demons. I don't, however, consider the people with it to be always good players.

/notsigned

Oh, and btw, OP, your avatar looks hideous

LOL , you could have the spearmarshall and you still dont get any respect.