Scribe Nov 23: Hidden message?
LifeInfusion
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Order of Whispers Scouts Hidden Region
As I mentioned in last week's missive, the Order of Whispers has been investigating a rumor concerning a portion of the Realm of Torment previously unknown to Elonians. Through diligent interrogation of the only known soul to escape the forsaken region, members of the Order of Whispers have located an entrance to the region, and have begun sending in scouts to assess the risks associated with allowing Elonians to enter this land of unimaginable pain and suffering.
The Order is currently refusing admittance to any who are not long-standing and respected members of their organization. They are declining to share even the location of the entrance with any—including myself—who do not serve their brotherhood until such time they deem the information safe for public consumption. While the Order is remaining rather tight-lipped about this investigation, I was able to persuade a guard to share some information. This fellow—who, for the record, was conspicuously talkative for a member of an organization that values secrecy so highly—shared the fact that many of their scouts have encountered Forgotten in this realm. Apparently, the Forgotten are as concerned and curious about this new area as the Order of Whispers and many Elonians.
As for the gems my intoxicated friend mentioned in last week's interview, the Order's scouts report they have seen four different types in this new area. Please do not mistake these gems for the sapphires, rubies, and diamonds used in armor crafting. These are entirely different. And, while their use and purpose is not clear, many amongst the Order suspect them to be some sort of magical artifacts, perhaps used for a ritual or spell. Those in charge of the investigation hope the questions surrounding these gems—as well as the numerous other questions arising about this new area—will be answered upon further investigation. I will continue to share any information as I come across it, and may the Five Gods protect us from whatever evils may be waiting inside this ominous locale. Does this mean we got a dungeon like FoW that needs sunspear ranks?
Retribution X
No, sounds like an Elite mission that requires Lightbringer rank.
Dki
You are right is going to be Ligthbringer rank
Jade_Onyx
Rank 8 required! (God lets hope not)
Zarn
Nah, I think it will be Rank 1 or 2 required... I am r4 and it takes like forever to get to rank 5, so I would presume tops rank 3 to enter it.
Tookis Elite
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Originally Posted by Jade_Onyx
Rank 8 required! (God lets hope not)
id shoot myself. 
-.-
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Originally Posted by Zarn
Nah, I think it will be Rank 1 or 2 required... I am r4 and it takes like forever to get to rank 5, so I would presume tops rank 3 to enter it.
Not if you're afk farming.
Zarn
True, but I havent figured out that afk farming yet... To me that sounds too cheap tbh tho...
elsalamandra
Its fantastic that we will be getting an elite area other than the usual FoW and UW.
However, and I do not wish to play the devil's advocate here but, the lightbringer rank will become an issue here to enter this area, not because of ANET, but because us the players will begin the margination of asking for certain rank for getting a team.
What I am saying here is that there is a very strong possibility that what happens in Heroes Ascent about the rank discrimination will slowly creep in here too.
Of course many may disagree with me, but for some, myself included, it is very time consuming to attain high rank in LB points, of course, there is the afk farming but I cannot leave my computer switched on for countless hours.
Anyway, these are just my views on this matter.
All for now ........
However, and I do not wish to play the devil's advocate here but, the lightbringer rank will become an issue here to enter this area, not because of ANET, but because us the players will begin the margination of asking for certain rank for getting a team.
What I am saying here is that there is a very strong possibility that what happens in Heroes Ascent about the rank discrimination will slowly creep in here too.
Of course many may disagree with me, but for some, myself included, it is very time consuming to attain high rank in LB points, of course, there is the afk farming but I cannot leave my computer switched on for countless hours.
Anyway, these are just my views on this matter.
All for now ........
MirkoTeran
I for one, hope this will limit the entry to rank 5 or even more. Remember, this is the elite mission area and some work should be required to get there. If not, then it's just another area.
Remember the weekend even when they opened access to elite mission to everyone? That was the worst PVE event ever. Every kid and his dog were there pushing usually even so low average quality of players even further into the ground.
Remember the weekend even when they opened access to elite mission to everyone? That was the worst PVE event ever. Every kid and his dog were there pushing usually even so low average quality of players even further into the ground.
elsalamandra
There you go!
Rank discrimination shows its ugly head already without even know what the elite area will entail.
Sad man.
'every kid and his dog'
god!!!
I really hate comments of this nature.
This is a game, as the same that a hole is a hole is a hole and everyone who plays here has as much right as these people who think they are gods gift to the world jusy because they have 'rank', rank which has probably been done through afk.
That certainly does not make you 'elite' far on the contrary, it just shows that after placing your heroes/henchies in strategic points let them do all the work for you, something, that as you say above, could be done by 'evry kid and his dog'.
As I have said in other threads of this forum, and with much regret, this elite area will become the PVE counterpart of HA.
One thing is to be selective as to the composition of which professions you want to have in your team but to be selective of Rank stature is really sad and lame.
SIgh sigh sigh.
Rank discrimination shows its ugly head already without even know what the elite area will entail.
Sad man.
'every kid and his dog'
god!!!
I really hate comments of this nature.
This is a game, as the same that a hole is a hole is a hole and everyone who plays here has as much right as these people who think they are gods gift to the world jusy because they have 'rank', rank which has probably been done through afk.
That certainly does not make you 'elite' far on the contrary, it just shows that after placing your heroes/henchies in strategic points let them do all the work for you, something, that as you say above, could be done by 'evry kid and his dog'.
As I have said in other threads of this forum, and with much regret, this elite area will become the PVE counterpart of HA.
One thing is to be selective as to the composition of which professions you want to have in your team but to be selective of Rank stature is really sad and lame.
SIgh sigh sigh.
Hamstein
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
I for one, hope this will limit the entry to rank 5 or even more. Remember, this is the elite mission area and some work should be required to get there. If not, then it's just another area.
Remember the weekend even when they opened access to elite mission to everyone? That was the worst PVE event ever. Every kid and his dog were there pushing usually even so low average quality of players even further into the ground. So AFK farming makes you an uber player?
GG
Remember the weekend even when they opened access to elite mission to everyone? That was the worst PVE event ever. Every kid and his dog were there pushing usually even so low average quality of players even further into the ground. So AFK farming makes you an uber player?
GG
MirkoTeran
In perfect world access to elite mission would be limited to good players. But guess what, we are not in perfect world, so some kind of filter must apply to enter those areas. I'm not saying LB rank is a good measure of this but it is least-bad.
aron searle
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
I'm not saying LB rank is a good measure of this but it is least-bad.
How about coming up with a good idea rather than, "this is a poor idea but still better thn others.
Tonepalu
Just so you know, the sunspear r8 tier is not hard at all to acquire through regular play, when you go out to do a quest just talk to the npc atthe shrine then kill what the "Hunt" says. I'm currently at 8658 sunspear points by doing just that. 600 of those points are from latter quests I stumbled upon, and the extra 58 is from actually killing a few extra things while my hunt was still on.
Also, these ranks are not meant to be snobbery, you actually need 2500 points for A primary quest before you can continue in the storyline. ("And A Hero Shall Lead Them"<<thats the name of said quest
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Also, these ranks are not meant to be snobbery, you actually need 2500 points for A primary quest before you can continue in the storyline. ("And A Hero Shall Lead Them"<<thats the name of said quest
)
warren_kn
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
In perfect world access to elite mission would be limited to good players. But guess what, we are not in perfect world, so some kind of filter must apply to enter those areas. I'm not saying LB rank is a good measure of this but it is least-bad.
Um no. In my vision of a perfect world everybody is allowed to get into that mission. They get so far, make a mistake and learn what they can do better next time. The game doesn't belong solely to the good players, least of all those who overestimate their own importance.
Makkert
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
In perfect world access to elite mission would be limited to good players. But guess what, we are not in perfect world, so some kind of filter must apply to enter those areas. I'm not saying LB rank is a good measure of this but it is least-bad.
I disagree. Its worse.
Players will just do the same trick over and over (farming), which doesn't filter the good from the bad. It teaches those players nothing, and just takes time away from every player. It will frustrate the hell out of the good players, and will teach the bad players nothing.
Also the disappointment in Factions regarding the limited access to the elite area will not have gone unnoticed by ANet.
Completion of the game is a bit better then this rankrequirement. Because:
- the pve missions are diverse
- aparantly Gates of Madness is a bottleneck for bad players
Players will just do the same trick over and over (farming), which doesn't filter the good from the bad. It teaches those players nothing, and just takes time away from every player. It will frustrate the hell out of the good players, and will teach the bad players nothing.
Also the disappointment in Factions regarding the limited access to the elite area will not have gone unnoticed by ANet.
Completion of the game is a bit better then this rankrequirement. Because:
- the pve missions are diverse
- aparantly Gates of Madness is a bottleneck for bad players
Njaiguni Blaze
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Originally Posted by Makkert
I disagree. Its worse.
Players will just do the same trick over and over (farming), which doesn't filter the good from the bad. It teaches those players nothing, and just takes time away from every player. It will frustrate the hell out of the good players, and will teach the bad players nothing.
Also the disappointment in Factions regarding the limited access to the elite area will not have gone unnoticed by ANet.
Completion of the game is a bit better then this rankrequirement. Because:
- the pve missions are diverse
- aparantly Gates of Madness is a bottleneck for bad players I think the mission will require completion of the game. You know why? After you completed the game you unlock the Seer of Truth in the Chantry of Secrets. To get there, talk to the Guardian of Secrets, kneel at the statue and an old friend (blind, recently deceased, but now immortal, I think you know who) will appear the same way as the other gods at the statues with the same response. She can't bring you anywhere atm, but I strongly believe this will be the portal.
And sunspear ranks? Pa-lease! Those titles are attainable just by playing the game. It has become as common as Glad's and Kurzick armor! Being smart and good enough to beat the Realm of Torment does.
Edit: I don't believe in rank discrimination, actually hate it, but don't like the cocky people boasting about a title that is gained in no particular effort. Other titles show achievements more.
Players will just do the same trick over and over (farming), which doesn't filter the good from the bad. It teaches those players nothing, and just takes time away from every player. It will frustrate the hell out of the good players, and will teach the bad players nothing.
Also the disappointment in Factions regarding the limited access to the elite area will not have gone unnoticed by ANet.
Completion of the game is a bit better then this rankrequirement. Because:
- the pve missions are diverse
- aparantly Gates of Madness is a bottleneck for bad players I think the mission will require completion of the game. You know why? After you completed the game you unlock the Seer of Truth in the Chantry of Secrets. To get there, talk to the Guardian of Secrets, kneel at the statue and an old friend (blind, recently deceased, but now immortal, I think you know who) will appear the same way as the other gods at the statues with the same response. She can't bring you anywhere atm, but I strongly believe this will be the portal.
And sunspear ranks? Pa-lease! Those titles are attainable just by playing the game. It has become as common as Glad's and Kurzick armor! Being smart and good enough to beat the Realm of Torment does.
Edit: I don't believe in rank discrimination, actually hate it, but don't like the cocky people boasting about a title that is gained in no particular effort. Other titles show achievements more.
EmptySpiral1283
I like the idea of completion of the game being required better than the horrible rank system.The rank system shows nothing.It's one of the worst ways it could be done.I have been out with high ranks, in both LB and Sunspear, many are worse than many low ranks.By far.Some are very good...But I can count those on one hand as far as the one's I have personally teamed with.Farming does not equal skill.Nor does rank, special items, armor, or gold.And aside from that, I don't care what ANYONE says, whether I or anyone else spoils the fun or not, but EVERYONE paid for the game.(Lets hope 
).Noob or not, everyone should have the ability to access an area they desire, without having to spend or leave the pc switched on for hours to gain thousands of points.If you think someone isn't worth partying with, because they are a lower rank than you, fine.No one is forcing you.But everyone should be able to unlock the area through NORMAL gameplay.
Hide it, fine.Make it after the last mission?Fine.It's bad enough seeing a noob warrior or monk thinking they deserve to be paid a few plat because they are a high rank, let's not add to the problems that already exist because of the rank system.
It shouldn't be reserved only for those who think they are God's gift to gaming.
).Noob or not, everyone should have the ability to access an area they desire, without having to spend or leave the pc switched on for hours to gain thousands of points.If you think someone isn't worth partying with, because they are a lower rank than you, fine.No one is forcing you.But everyone should be able to unlock the area through NORMAL gameplay.Hide it, fine.Make it after the last mission?Fine.It's bad enough seeing a noob warrior or monk thinking they deserve to be paid a few plat because they are a high rank, let's not add to the problems that already exist because of the rank system.
It shouldn't be reserved only for those who think they are God's gift to gaming.
Sofonisba
In Factions, you had to have gotten to HzH and Cavalon to do the elite mission, which meant playing a little bit more than half the game. (I won't even go into the owning town/ferry situation.)
What it meant was, it did not take very long AT ALL to get access. And opening access from Kaineng just ruined it by letting in all the nubs? Pfft.
What a high LB rank requirement means, is that for the next couple weeks while I try to get my other characters through NF, that my prof for a group will be extremely limited (to a dervish).
My guildies don't care what rank I am, but if the mission cares, we're going to be quite the para-derv-heavy team for a long while...
But that's just me.
What it meant was, it did not take very long AT ALL to get access. And opening access from Kaineng just ruined it by letting in all the nubs? Pfft.
What a high LB rank requirement means, is that for the next couple weeks while I try to get my other characters through NF, that my prof for a group will be extremely limited (to a dervish).
My guildies don't care what rank I am, but if the mission cares, we're going to be quite the para-derv-heavy team for a long while...
But that's just me.
ShadowbaneX
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Originally Posted by -.-
Not if you're afk farming.
I highly doubt that afk farming of lightbringer points is the only way to get into it.
buy and die
I must agree with mirko here. It's not easy to find a decent PUG for the elite missions in cantha, at least it wasnt before the release of nightfall and I again agree that letting everyone in made the thing not only hard but close to impossible.
I'm well aware that neither alliance faction nor lightbringer rank make a good measure wether to let people in or not but at least the LB rank requires some work (wether afk or not) which should decrease the amount of utter idiots and kiddies.
Nevertheless the only way to get a really good group together is by gathering alliance or guild folks to get some coordination into the thing using voice chat or something similar. In the end neither faction nor LB rank wil change that even though LB rank will probably be a damn useful thing in the NF E-mish.
So yea even if you cant do the afk farm you can slaughter margonites in domain of secrets and get some points over time, I dont believe anet will set the req higher than rank 3 or 4 anyway which of both are well reachable without afk farming (I got to r3 1/2 without afking).
I'm well aware that neither alliance faction nor lightbringer rank make a good measure wether to let people in or not but at least the LB rank requires some work (wether afk or not) which should decrease the amount of utter idiots and kiddies.
Nevertheless the only way to get a really good group together is by gathering alliance or guild folks to get some coordination into the thing using voice chat or something similar. In the end neither faction nor LB rank wil change that even though LB rank will probably be a damn useful thing in the NF E-mish.
So yea even if you cant do the afk farm you can slaughter margonites in domain of secrets and get some points over time, I dont believe anet will set the req higher than rank 3 or 4 anyway which of both are well reachable without afk farming (I got to r3 1/2 without afking).
Sir Mad
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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran
I for one, hope this will limit the entry to rank 5 or even more. Remember, this is the elite mission area and some work should be required to get there. If not, then it's just another area.
Remember the weekend even when they opened access to elite mission to everyone? That was the worst PVE event ever. Every kid and his dog were there pushing usually even so low average quality of players even further into the ground. True. Spamming "LF TAXI TO THE DEEP!" is indeed a very good filter: you can be sure with that only 1337 players can play the elite missions
Remember the weekend even when they opened access to elite mission to everyone? That was the worst PVE event ever. Every kid and his dog were there pushing usually even so low average quality of players even further into the ground. True. Spamming "LF TAXI TO THE DEEP!" is indeed a very good filter: you can be sure with that only 1337 players can play the elite missions
Pebbles
¬_¬ Joy for the discriminatory asshats. I hope its a low rank entry requirement.ba Because we all know in the end the only teams whitch will be able to get in will be barrage parties like it ALWAYS is. So there will be no point to grinding my elementalist to such a high number of points.
What possable use is there for R5 on a monk!? NONE thats what many monks carry better elites than lightbringers signet and from personal experience in the elite missions a monk is far to busy healing to use gaze effectively.
So begin so elitist and a picky knownothing ass about it wouldn't improove the calibur of teams it would just stop any teams begin formed.
What possable use is there for R5 on a monk!? NONE thats what many monks carry better elites than lightbringers signet and from personal experience in the elite missions a monk is far to busy healing to use gaze effectively.
So begin so elitist and a picky knownothing ass about it wouldn't improove the calibur of teams it would just stop any teams begin formed.
Antheus
I see Lightbringer 2 and above the same way as Infusion in Prophecies. You don't need it to play or even finish the game. But it makes it a whole lot easier.
The rank requirement to this area will almost certainly be of the same difficulty as Sunspear general requirement. It's obtainable just by playing through the game without any need for farming.
There will always be some that will be short on points. For some, it will always be too high. But then again, who cares. Elite area = difficult challenge = admitance requirement.
Rank discrimination within such mission. When going for Court of ... mission, I simply join or start a masters gaze group. Am I discriminating? I'm saving time. Forming such a group and time needed combined with considerably higher success rate makes it faster and more reliable. And R2 is really fast to get, it takes 3 djin runs at most (with full henchie group) right there outside of the mission area.
But all the fear here is unwarranted. So far, no area anywhere required any special conditions. FoW/UW is a different case, but even then, nobody is required to do something. Beat the game, then wait till area is open.
So if, then LB2 will almost certainly be the only requirement.
The rank requirement to this area will almost certainly be of the same difficulty as Sunspear general requirement. It's obtainable just by playing through the game without any need for farming.
There will always be some that will be short on points. For some, it will always be too high. But then again, who cares. Elite area = difficult challenge = admitance requirement.
Rank discrimination within such mission. When going for Court of ... mission, I simply join or start a masters gaze group. Am I discriminating? I'm saving time. Forming such a group and time needed combined with considerably higher success rate makes it faster and more reliable. And R2 is really fast to get, it takes 3 djin runs at most (with full henchie group) right there outside of the mission area.
But all the fear here is unwarranted. So far, no area anywhere required any special conditions. FoW/UW is a different case, but even then, nobody is required to do something. Beat the game, then wait till area is open.
So if, then LB2 will almost certainly be the only requirement.
TheSonofDarwin
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Originally Posted by buy and die
I'm well aware that neither alliance faction nor lightbringer rank make a good measure wether to let people in or not but at least the LB rank requires some work (wether afk or not) which should decrease the amount of utter idiots and kiddies.
Actually, you'd be more prone to utter idiots and kiddies getting in. It's the normal players, ones who can't let their computers run and sit afk in a spot that get punished while the idiots can go afk farm instead of spamming obscenities and game spoilers in Kamadan and other towns.
That said, r3 is easy enough to get by playing normally through the game, collecting bounties as you go. I haven't farmed at all for lightbringer points, just did quests after I beat the game and that was enough.
I don't think there needs to be any type of filter for getting in though. Anet has implemented the best filters already: the guild and the friends list. If people can't use what is already available I don't see a reason to add in a more inefficient way of doing the same thing.
That said, r3 is easy enough to get by playing normally through the game, collecting bounties as you go. I haven't farmed at all for lightbringer points, just did quests after I beat the game and that was enough.
I don't think there needs to be any type of filter for getting in though. Anet has implemented the best filters already: the guild and the friends list. If people can't use what is already available I don't see a reason to add in a more inefficient way of doing the same thing.
Zinger314
It'll definately be a R3 Lightbringer requirement, since R3 can easily be obtained by doing merely a few quests in the Realm of Torment and taking the bounties. R4 requires almost all quests be done, so ArenaNet would be best to keep it at R3.
I would prefer a "Protector of Elona" requirement. That would be the true way to filter out the idiots.
I would prefer a "Protector of Elona" requirement. That would be the true way to filter out the idiots.
Antheus
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
I would prefer a "Protector of Elona" requirement. That would be the true way to filter out the idiots.
That would result in a bunch of players who heroway the entire storyline, since they can't be bothered with idiots and morons in PUGs. After all, all PUGs are absolute disaster and proof of incompetence, and aren't capable of finishing a single mission, right?
People you know and who know you. That's the one and only filter that works. Social rules and enforcement will always triumph over any and all score systems.
That would result in a bunch of players who heroway the entire storyline, since they can't be bothered with idiots and morons in PUGs. After all, all PUGs are absolute disaster and proof of incompetence, and aren't capable of finishing a single mission, right?People you know and who know you. That's the one and only filter that works. Social rules and enforcement will always triumph over any and all score systems.
buy and die
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Originally Posted by Zinger314
I would prefer a "Protector of Elona" requirement. That would be the true way to filter out the idiots.
While r3 would infact work I'm not the biggest fan of the protector title. Just managed to get masters with hench on jennurs horde (my favourite mission now) and I'm at 18/20 now, the simple thought of gate of madness makes me want to hit someone.It would keep idiots out of the mish... along with 99% of all other gw players. But then again assuming you would be able to get 12 people together the run would most likely be promising.
Bit harsh if you ask me but I'm starting to like the idea of something sick like that
Eclair
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Originally Posted by buy and die
While r3 would infact work I'm not the biggest fan of the protector title. Just managed to get masters with hench on jennurs horde (my favourite mission now) and I'm at 18/20 now, the simple thought of gate of madness makes me want to hit someone.
It would keep idiots out of the mish... along with 99% of all other gw players. But then again assuming you would be able to get 12 people together the run would most likely be promising.
Bit harsh if you ask me but I'm starting to like the idea of something sick like that
Really? I don't see how Gates of Madness Masters is any harder than just beating the mission itself. Destroying the portals seem pretty easy.
It would keep idiots out of the mish... along with 99% of all other gw players. But then again assuming you would be able to get 12 people together the run would most likely be promising.
Bit harsh if you ask me but I'm starting to like the idea of something sick like that
TheSonofDarwin
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Originally Posted by buy and die
While r3 would infact work I'm not the biggest fan of the protector title. Just managed to get masters with hench on jennurs horde (my favourite mission now) and I'm at 18/20 now, the simple thought of gate of madness makes me want to hit someone.
Ack. Masters on Gate of Madness is, I think, the first Masters requirement that makes doing the standard part easier.
I love the idea of Protector of Elona though if a requirement is needed. Not going to idle your way in that way unless you have a lot of money.
I love the idea of Protector of Elona though if a requirement is needed. Not going to idle your way in that way unless you have a lot of money.
Lavindathar
If there is going to be ANY requirement, I'd definately go for Protector Of Elona. In fact, any of the protector titles, as otherwise it's gonna be Derv/Para teams for a long time.
unienaule
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Originally Posted by Makkert
- aparantly Gates of Madness is a bottleneck for bad players
Makes me want to find whoever designed that mission and give them a cookie.
Tarus From Taros
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Originally Posted by unienaule
Makes me want to find whoever designed that mission and give them a cookie.
Honestly, I think every mission should be as hard or harder then Madness once you get out of the starter area of any chapter. Players don't get skilled by completing all these simple missions nor paying people to run them.
aohige
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Originally Posted by Antheus
That would result in a bunch of players who heroway the entire storyline, since they can't be bothered with idiots and morons in PUGs. After all, all PUGs are absolute disaster and proof of incompetence, and aren't capable of finishing a single mission, right?
People you know and who know you. That's the one and only filter that works. Social rules and enforcement will always triumph over any and all score systems. Not all PUG, no.
But seeing "6/8 GLF 2 Experienced Monks!! no noobs!" SPAM in pretty much all over Elona, and seeing bitching and gripings of "this mission is impossible" shouts in those areas, I think many of us feel reluctant to join a PUG.
Even in Prophecies, I had easier time with henchmen than most PUG, and with introduction of heroes it became even more so.
As for Elite Mission, I don't really care what the requirement will be, as long as it's not too rediculous. A lightbringer rank3 & completion of the game would be good enough, IMO.
Besides, I don't plan to PUG the elite mission. We have plenty of guildies and alliance friends to team up with.
Making friends with guildies and alliance is the core of this game.
I know not everyone are that lucky, but working to get into a community really pays off in "fun factor" of GuildWars. I highly recommend it
People you know and who know you. That's the one and only filter that works. Social rules and enforcement will always triumph over any and all score systems. Not all PUG, no.
But seeing "6/8 GLF 2 Experienced Monks!! no noobs!" SPAM in pretty much all over Elona, and seeing bitching and gripings of "this mission is impossible" shouts in those areas, I think many of us feel reluctant to join a PUG.
Even in Prophecies, I had easier time with henchmen than most PUG, and with introduction of heroes it became even more so.
As for Elite Mission, I don't really care what the requirement will be, as long as it's not too rediculous. A lightbringer rank3 & completion of the game would be good enough, IMO.
Besides, I don't plan to PUG the elite mission. We have plenty of guildies and alliance friends to team up with.
Making friends with guildies and alliance is the core of this game.
I know not everyone are that lucky, but working to get into a community really pays off in "fun factor" of GuildWars. I highly recommend it
BlackRecluse
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Originally Posted by Tarus From Taros
Honestly, I think every mission should be as hard or harder then Madness once you get out of the starter area of any chapter. Players don't get skilled by completing all these simple missions nor paying people to run them.
i really dont think gate of madness was that difficult..it was harder than the average nightfall mission but didnt compare on a level of frustration (if that equals difficulty in some situations) to some missions in Cantha. i also hope these new areas arent like urgoz and the deep, i.e. going through the entire thing with one thing in mind. i hope they're more like the open-ended FoW and UW that really serve almost no purpose and offer no reward (other than ectos, shards and i guess armor). meh
Thomas.knbk
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Originally Posted by Tonepalu
Also, these ranks are not meant to be snobbery, you actually need 2500 points for A primary quest before you can continue in the storyline. ("And A Hero Shall Lead Them"<<thats the name of said quest )
That's sunspear points. We're discussing Lightbringer points here.
GG
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That's sunspear points. We're discussing Lightbringer points here.GG
GreatLich
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Originally Posted by Antheus
a good guild/f-list gets you everywhere
the downside to this is that "it's not what you know, but who you know" becomes true
Juicey Shake
I don't even see how you consider gate of madness hard.. I hit c-spacebar over and over for that mission.. that's it.. got masters on it ~_~
Senator Tom
thats cause you're leet juice
I know that I'm definately looking forward to r8 lb elite mission groups
I know that I'm definately looking forward to r8 lb elite mission groups