Exsisting classes and thier purpose.

Kid, you've a lot to learn.

Your little statement there blew any credability you may have had.

Reading your statements in many posts its quite plain your little more than the internet equivilent of a bully.

In order for you to feel good about your ideas you need to tear down everyone elses ideas, and then you tear at them too.

Your not contributing any constructive critism here, your just out to prove your right and everyone else is wrong.

Grow up!

Whatever, I am no respecter of the irrational, and I have not only no problem with, but a sense of duty to shut them down and toss them out. There is no shame for identifying your weakness, it is your denial that holds you back, I have proven it before and I am not the only one.

People who make assumptions and play ignorant of the actual limitations and opportunities are not worth discussing with, nothing useful is produced by wasting time with a narrow mind.

I don't prowl around the forums trying to prove myself right and everyone else wrong, I spend an extreme amount of time studying the opportunities, recognizing the boundries, and devloping ideas and concepts. I have no problem wielding my education and logic against falsehoods and flaws, and just because there are many flaws, and many narrow minds doesn't make me a bully.

I stand for what is acceptable and logical, irrational dissapprovals and broken ideas do not amuse me, and I have every right to defend what works and what is acceptable, whether you agree or not. If you read almost any of my ideas I have developed you would be dwarfed by the amount of dedication and developement I put into my ideas, and when I am done, most people don't appreciate them, and discredit them because they assume what they havn't accepted woln't work. Reguardless, I have shown down hundreds of "Pros", and "Know Alls", and every other flavor of brief, narrow, and slanderous posters who most often can't even dedicate enough time to read my idea, and make idiotic remarks.

As one of the first class concept writers on any of GW forums since the release of the game, and the number one defender of actually having concept classes before all the "Pros" accepted there could or would even be new classes (because of balance), I have earned the right to comment and measure concepts as I see fit. I have every right to make critical, accurate, and developed opinions as so many morons have the right to post slanderous, ignorant BS, and I feel no shame for being a wieght of balance in the opposition.

Here's some education.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=10656
I have been writing about new classes only weeks after game hit the shelves, it is no wonder that I have developed a more advanced perspective. The moment I got a confirmation that there would be new classes, I wrote my first complete martial arts class idea, and beyond the ignorance and disapproval of hundreds around me, guess what our first new class was? Assassin.

Theres nothing to construct with a person who never listens and learns, and denies his failure and weakness, which is why the "constructive critisizm" ended. Your no longer worth talking to, so you earn one of the many slots on my ignore list, and if you can't accpet my imput, than I suggest the same for you, it is a public forum, and I am welcome to my opinion whether you like it or not, especially since I am right. The sad thing is, broken and cheap ideas arn't going to influence the game whether I debate them or not, I am helping others develope acceptable ideas that are worth considering, your defeating yourself by denying the logical and neccessary.

And as a matter of fact, I congratulate and compliment every good, original, functional, and entertaining idea I cross, the ratio of decent to impressive ideas has nothing to do with me.

http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/showthread.php?t=640

I outdate you... can I get a cookie?

Cookie.

First off I would like to appolagize to Giddeanx.

Your thread has been hijacked and has gone way off topic, but I just can't sit back and let this child rampage all over the forums with out saying something.

As for my education, this is what ive learned.

So when people tell you that your idea is not as good as you think your responce is to insult them, I'm learning....

Funny thing is the Dervish and the Paragon are sort of hybrids, so that would make the devs morons...I'm still learning....

Originality? I seem to recall playing a game named Shinobi so many long years ago, and a rebuilt version was out on a game platform not to long ago.

So to summerize: You don't want people to post there ideas in your threads, yet you do so continuosly.

Ideas that don't match with your own way of thinking are made by morons.
And finaly taking something from another video game and calling it your idea with only the smallest of changes is original.


First off other people had a much closer idea of what the assasin would be like than your hand to hand fighter.
Secondly here is a little education for you.

The developers planned out this entire game long before the first chapter ever hit the shelves. They knew in advance what they would be, and still do.
They did not become 'inspired' by reading your thread. Any idea they took from this or any other forum would land them in serious legal problems.

It's fine to be critical and ask people to put in as much effort on comenting your idea as you did in making it. But there is a polite way to say it. You can be stead fast in your beliefs without attacking other peoples.

This forum was not made so that you could decide what can and can not be implimented into Guild Wars. This was meant to be a place where people can come and share ideas and talk with other fans of the game. A place meant to increase our enjoyment of the game.

I would hope you would learn something and change how you treat people in this forum but I know its a long shot.

Like I said, Kid, you've got a lot to learn.

Bahamut...

Seriously...

Lose the attitude.

Looking past your attitude, from my viewpoint, you've had some good ideas, and sometimes, you've got things wrong. This isn't a criticism, just an observation: Nobody's perfect.

However, I'm going to stress this again: Nobody's perfect. Including you. Lately, to read your posts, you seem to developed the idea that you are the sole arbiter of what is true and desirable, and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong by definition. In the process, however, you're ostracising yourself from the forum. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if the moderators are considering having you banned.

If that doesn't bother you, consider this: I'm not sure exactly what ANet's policy is on considering fan ideas. If I didn't think they had at least some leeway to get some inspiration from a fan-submitted proposal (even if the final result has little resemblance to the original proposal), I wouldn't bother coming here. But assuming that ANet does have the ability to use fan-submitted proposals (and, by extension, assuming that our activities on this forum has any relevance whatsoever), do you really think your better-than-everyone attitude is going to make Alex or Gaile or anyone else from ANet or NCSoft more inclined to agree with your ideas?

And don't try saying your ideas are so good that they'll look past the way you argue them. People aren't rational - and I think you've reached the point where people simply don't want to agree with you.

K enough Bahamut bashing lets get back on target here.

We have several nice lists here covering what exsists in GW now. We had started finding gaps so we could see what type of class is not implemented. A lot of ideas and class concepts have been bounced around.

I always want to suggest a second line fighter, one who is not on the attack but waiting for the foe with the monks and spellcasters. (FF Red Mage type)

I also want to suggest another area of AOE attacker I just wish it didn't have to be target based. Maybe you could drop a temporary target sigil and use that. Dropping it in choke points would be benifical to both PvP and PvE.

I agree completely with the second line of defence/offence.

A class that has a short ranged attack, just longer than melee but not spear range. This class would need to be able to slow/knockdown income attackers and deal out some damage to them.

note: this is what i tried with my slayer class, but, well..........

I always wanted a class that used monster specific attacks like Gau from FF6....

But that would involve populating the guild wars universe with attacks to learn

Of course! That's what the Avatar of Abaddon, if it had been introduced, would have!

Avatar of Abaddon 15e 2s 10r
Elite Form. For 15...63 seconds, your attacks: cannot miss Rangers; remove enchantments from Monks; cause conditions on Warriors; interrupt Elementalists; and lose a hex while attacking Necromancers. This skill is disabled for 120 seconds.

Okay, back on topic now.

Actually there are a few monster only skills in exsistance. It be nice to finally use it on them would be nice for a change.

WHOOOOT! Just got back from California, was at a buisiness convention. (Get Rich To This!) Oh man, and the parties were rockin, I had a great time at the Pulse in the Hilton. Anyhow.

As for the nay sayers, I really don't care what they think. I know I'm not perfect, but I also know I am far more rational and dedicated, and trying to side against me on the 1% of the time that I am wrong is pointless. You can discredit an advanced writer on the vast minority of mistakes he makes, in the end I am right almost all of the time.

The only reason I seem so agressive is because most people don't care about correcting falsehoods, they just want to make an idea and expect people to respect it reguardless of validity. As I often say, there is an extreme lack of definition and developement, and I am only as extreme as neccessary to balance the irregularity. If people don't want me to be so critical, they can stop making such ridiculously false statements and broken ideas. And I don't single out people for making mistakes, I discredit them for their denial and persistant ignorance.

Reguardless, alot of class definition has been discussed here, and wile I will not say that this is all there is to know, I believe a new topic should be started to continue onto making new class ideas from what we learned here instead of continuing onto new class ideas in a thread dedicated to class distinction. It would be a shame to continue developing class ideas in a thread which newcomers will likely misunderstand because the ideas are misplaced.

I am incredibly busy this month because of a major promotion available with my business, so I woln't have nearly as much time to contribute (to the relief of many I am certain). But if people can take the time to develope their ideas, discover the potential of the game, and recognize its limitations as well, than you really don't need my imput.

Never the less, I feel no shame for exposing broken ideas and false statements, and misguided reprisals for that matter as well, because I full well know that nearly everything I have taken the time to protest was done in the knowledge that such broken ideas would be overlooked by Anet anyway. You might not have guessed this, but as unpopular and inconsiderate as I am, I probably do alot of the disapproval Anet developers would do themselves if they were willing to take the time to address, and tolerate your remarks. Professionals take their work seriously, it isn't just a pot shot at design and developement. You can't honestly believe that they would accept whatever you can come up with without making judgements.

Wow, really interresting topic.

Wow, really stupid debate/flame war after said topic -.-

Wel for a random estimate I'd say you where human(correct me if I'm wrong) and you'd have a 20%-45% error margin, most of us have.X-cept if ur asian who have a 15-45% error margin for some reason.

Also I personally don't have a problem with your comments, It's your lack of direct support for your statements.
I've seen you say several times
I agree some ideas where not in the least sexy
But GW is a non adult rated video game(/me gets interesing ideas for next expantion)
This means a class wich's 'apearace strikes fear into all he faces' also feasable.

I also know you can correctly underbuild your arguments, you have done it several times(for 1 argument while you where making 3)

The reason people(including me if you'd like) are b****ing at you, is your vieuw of when something is obvious enough for everyone to see.
For the person you are telling something to, you can not expect them to see the point you are making because it is obvious, if it was obvious enough for them to see it you wouldn't have to tell them about it.

There's nothing wrong with you being critical, but constructive critisisem should be redefined for whomever you are critesising.
Such as: beauty it's in the eye of the beholder, not in a advertising manager's(am I in the right direction? it sudenly dawned on me where all your ideas on cosmetic perfection came from) As reperesenting public oppinion.
For a player can work with clothes and dyes and heads to reach his idea of looking cool(not sexy, non adult so cool is the key word).
(though I suppose that for a commercial it does matter a lot, as you want the public to notice)

After all my yapping it comes to this;
We want you to further neglect your job, by spending more time on telling people, what you precieve as so obvious that it doesn't need to be said.

By the way:
The adding of small overvieuws to my posts, is something I've done on popular demand because I yap to much.

"It is much easier to be critical than to be correct."
Benjamin Disraeli

"Tact is one of the first mental virtues, the absence of which is often fatal to the best of talents; it supplies the place of many talents."
William Gilmore Simms

Sorry I just couldn't resist on last word.

Weak identities and "ugly" ideas are a big deal, as I often say, it is the identity that makes the class interesting, you can make original skills for anything if you put your mind to it. The importance of adding attractive classes cannot be overlooked. And wile my personal preferances do take a part in interest of identities, it is also well known that certain types and images are far more popular.

Aside from that, I have never bombed an idea because I thought it was "ugly", unless it is ridiculous or broken I can only point out that I don't like it, and at any point when my personal preferance is the only reason I don't like it, I say that it is my personal preferance or my opinion.

You may think that I don't bother to explain the "obvious", but the reason I cut off dumb writers is because I have already had extensive debates with them in which they decide to ignore logic and defect to denial. No matter how bad an idea is, I don't have a problem with a writer unless he is being stupid, and I always take the time to discuss my findings until they show themselves to be completely irrational.

In those cases such irrational and most often slanderous writers just make ignorant disapprovals and denials of options that exsist in the game because their feelings are hurt, which is simply immature.

I know why people are bitching at me, they are too stubborn to develope their perspective, they are too immature to admit someone has a better idea, and they are offended that someone has no respect for their weaker qualities, and they are ashamed that they were wrong. I don't care about peoples acceptance, everyone can disagree with me and that doesn't make me wrong. Every single major discovery, change, concept and revolution, in the history of the world, suffered disapproval and denial from the vast majority. I see mass denial and dissaproval as proof the of the validity of my work, afterall, none of those denials can withstand my logic, they just choose not to accept my perspective.

Think of yourself for a moment? What did you respond for? What will it accomplish? If you did half of the researching you claimed about me, you would know that I would grind your dissapproval to dust and wouldn't care a lick that somebody, everybody dissaproves. I know why I do it. I sharpen my mind against the dull stones of dissaproval, I develope intellectual definition and logical defense. I enjoy your dissapprovals, it is just material for me to sharpen my opinion until it is lethal and beyond reproach. Get used to the arrogance, I know how good I am and I don't care if it offends you, I have spent a lifetime turning away from "sheep" thinking and overcoming the mundain point of view, I didn't spend my life improving myself to be assumed equal with just "anyone".

And any critisizme which is logical is constructive. I do have my opinions, and I don't mind admitting that I simply like some things better, but even then, I can often defect to the true archtypes as more attractive icons overall and beyond my own appreciation. But any logical and true statement is constructive, even if it is insulting. Even my insults are logical, if you "don't know" than your ignorant, be offended but it is a definition, if you "react irrationally" or because of emotions than your immature, if you think you are better than you really are than you are conceeded. Likewise, if you really are better and it is shown throughout endless examples, than you are better, and pretending that everyone is equal just because your insecure is another part of immaturity.

If a teacher confronts a classroom with a concept and none of the students agree, does that make the teacher wrong? Sure teachers can be wrong, but most of the time the students just arn't informed. The Teacher is hypothetically smarter, and not equal to the students. The only reason I have any problems with any other writers is because they don't recognize when they are being upstaged, and they can't accept that they arn't as good.

P.S. I am Asian, and all those factors are for small thinkers, a great thinker knows that statistics only apply to those who pay them mind, entrepreneur do not fall heed statisics because they break free of conventional thinking that supresses the majority. Even if I did fall into a minimum of a 15% error ratio, denying my conclusions would be folly, I would be right more than enough.

Just taken directly out of my other post (*doh* quoting myself *doh*) this is how I view the current purposes and most common purposes for every class:

"Melee Warrior-single person dmg, Dervish-multiple person dmgg
Ranged Ranger-single person control Paragon-multiple person control
Healing Monk-great single person heal Ritualist-great multiple person heal
Mesmer would be too powerful w/ multiple person effects
Elementalist already has multiple person effects
Necromancer already has multiple person effects
But what about assassin?
Would it be too powerful damaging multiple opponents?
Can it be done?"

To this answer I briefly jammed together my Savior class.

BK: Get off your high horse. Youre not a "teacher" here. This isn't american idol. lol.

You're very smart and you give good critical analyses and insight into the methods and mechanics of the game's formula involving classes.

People aren't disputing you because your critics are wrong or illogical. People are disputing you because you're a jerk. ^_^

That has nothing to do with intellegence and logic, and 100% everything to do with charisma.

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You suck at selling your ideas.
You suck at selling your critiques.

People don't CARE how good your critiques are because all you do is put them down.

People will never listen to you because your critiques aren't intended to be helpful. All you do is hurt.

In the spirit of having a forum that maintains a friendly atmosphere, i suggest you tone down you attitude.

Now lets shut this thread down.

I'm sorry for ruining your fun, but this thread is just too far gone.

Remember, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.