While questing with my paragon i came upon this questline about the scarab plague wich sheds some light upon this terrible event from the past.
This however still leaves us with some questions. How did this start? or who did it. secondly we dont see anny scarabs in elona although it indicates that the insects still have traces of them on their skin.
How did it get so far that this could happen? and the most gruesome insects bursting from your skin! O_O Dont want that to happen to me. annyway discuss your ideas on how it started and more things like that.
The Scarab plague. background and stuff.
The undead Mesmer
Feme Assassin
i ve done the quests myself but i havent figured out what trully happened i think was something with the water a disease or a myth who knows
The undead Mesmer
It was most definatly no myth all over istan vabbi and kourna the plague has swept and killed everything in its path :/ most likely a dark force had something to do with this but who knows?
Mason Daman
This is just speculation, and i don't have NF so if theirs continuity errors forgive me
Aurek the Scarab Hunter said that the queen of the scarabs, Kephket Marrowfeast, moved into the area because of the smell of blood and death(obviously meaning the farming overflow) so she had to have come from another place. The only other place in tyria with scarabs is the Krytan jungles, but they are moss scarabs, and do not resemble Kephpket. So, ruling out tyria and Cantha(heaven forbid an 8 ft. scarab snuck on a ship) Kephket must have come from Elona. So isn't it possible that she laid her eggs at the head of the river in Istan, and her eggs were microscopic? then as they flowed downstream, the people harnessed the water and became infected. Then as the she was drawn toward the Tyrian deserts, she took all traces of her existance with her? its a pretty farfetched theory but its still a very possible situation
Aurek the Scarab Hunter said that the queen of the scarabs, Kephket Marrowfeast, moved into the area because of the smell of blood and death(obviously meaning the farming overflow) so she had to have come from another place. The only other place in tyria with scarabs is the Krytan jungles, but they are moss scarabs, and do not resemble Kephpket. So, ruling out tyria and Cantha(heaven forbid an 8 ft. scarab snuck on a ship) Kephket must have come from Elona. So isn't it possible that she laid her eggs at the head of the river in Istan, and her eggs were microscopic? then as they flowed downstream, the people harnessed the water and became infected. Then as the she was drawn toward the Tyrian deserts, she took all traces of her existance with her? its a pretty farfetched theory but its still a very possible situation
Poison Ivy
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This is just speculation, and i don't have NF so if theirs continuity errors forgive me
Aurek the Scarab Hunter said that the queen of the scarabs, Kephket Marrowfeast, moved into the area because of the smell of blood and death(obviously meaning the farming overflow) so she had to have come from another place. The only other place in tyria with scarabs is the Krytan jungles, but they are moss scarabs, and do not resemble Kephpket. So, ruling out tyria and Cantha(heaven forbid an 8 ft. scarab snuck on a ship) Kephket must have come from Elona. So isn't it possible that she laid her eggs at the head of the river in Istan, and her eggs were microscopic? then as they flowed downstream, the people harnessed the water and became infected. Then as the she was drawn toward the Tyrian deserts, she took all traces of her existance with her? its a pretty farfetched theory but its still a very possible situation |
Toutatis
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In that case, she would have to travel pretty far across the mainland, which includes a sulphuric desert...which sounds impossble for Scarabs, unless they could tunnel.
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Mesmer in Need
reminds me of the monks path in the crystal desert. i still have nightmares. ths scarabs... they were everywhere!!! *scared*
Toutatis
I'm running through that area at the moment with a friend of mine...
*shudders*
Back on topic...
Might it be possible that Scarabs were once spread through Tyria and Elona with genetic drift between the various subspecies? Then something happening in Elona causing the local Scarabs' necromantic abilities to heighten and produce a large mutant queen? Purely speculation here, but some mutations burn out very quickly especially if they result in the creation of a superpredatory species... And this may have driven the Elonian subspecies of Scarabs extinct.
*grabs his archaeological tools and a DNA kit*
*shudders*
Back on topic...
Might it be possible that Scarabs were once spread through Tyria and Elona with genetic drift between the various subspecies? Then something happening in Elona causing the local Scarabs' necromantic abilities to heighten and produce a large mutant queen? Purely speculation here, but some mutations burn out very quickly especially if they result in the creation of a superpredatory species... And this may have driven the Elonian subspecies of Scarabs extinct.
*grabs his archaeological tools and a DNA kit*
Poison Ivy
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Purely speculation here, but some mutations burn out very quickly especially if they result in the creation of a superpredatory species... And this may have driven the Elonian subspecies of Scarabs extinct.
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Toutatis
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Oooo, do go into detail
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The same thing happens with diseases. The deadliest diseases today aren't sustainable, as they kill off their hosts faster than they can find new hosts to infect (the microscopic versions of superpredators).
draxynnic
(Warning, spoilers within)
Another possible interpretation is that the scarabs have evolved into a different form. During the scarab plague quests, you have to hunt down the other types of insects to gather evidence of what happened. While none of the insects in question are scarabs as such, there are plenty of beetles - the Preying and Grub Lances become Beetle Lances and Beetle Queens respectively once you hit the mainland. And then you have the presence or the Rain/Rock Beetles in Vabbi. While not scarabs as such, scarabs are a form of beetle, and the term 'Scarab Plague' could simply be a catch-all phrase for all sorts of insects that are suddenly burrowing out of people's skins and growing to immense size. It may be that all the insects we see in Elona and Tyria ultimately evolved from the Scarab Plague.
While this doesn't entirely gel with natural evolution, it is interesting to note that many of the Dynastic Spirits found in the desert blame Palawa Joko for the fall of the Dynasties - an event that happened well before Palawa earned his title as the Scourge of Vabbi. Could he have had something to do with it? (Will have to check the lore on the exact wording of how the Gods granted magic, as I believe the Scarab Plague was before they did so - specifically, was it possible for a sufficiently inspired individual to learn magic themselves before the Gods began actively teaching it?)
EDIT: Having rechecked the books, the Scarab Plague was after the Exodus, and hence, after the granting of magic. My mistake.
Another possible interpretation is that the scarabs have evolved into a different form. During the scarab plague quests, you have to hunt down the other types of insects to gather evidence of what happened. While none of the insects in question are scarabs as such, there are plenty of beetles - the Preying and Grub Lances become Beetle Lances and Beetle Queens respectively once you hit the mainland. And then you have the presence or the Rain/Rock Beetles in Vabbi. While not scarabs as such, scarabs are a form of beetle, and the term 'Scarab Plague' could simply be a catch-all phrase for all sorts of insects that are suddenly burrowing out of people's skins and growing to immense size. It may be that all the insects we see in Elona and Tyria ultimately evolved from the Scarab Plague.
While this doesn't entirely gel with natural evolution, it is interesting to note that many of the Dynastic Spirits found in the desert blame Palawa Joko for the fall of the Dynasties - an event that happened well before Palawa earned his title as the Scourge of Vabbi. Could he have had something to do with it? (Will have to check the lore on the exact wording of how the Gods granted magic, as I believe the Scarab Plague was before they did so - specifically, was it possible for a sufficiently inspired individual to learn magic themselves before the Gods began actively teaching it?)
EDIT: Having rechecked the books, the Scarab Plague was after the Exodus, and hence, after the granting of magic. My mistake.
Poison Ivy
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Whenever evolution creates a superpredator, that species is doomed. Superpredators burn through resources too quickly for the environment to sustain them. They need larger numbers of prey to sustain themselves. They need to defend larger territories to have access to more prey. Food starts running out, and the huge distances involved makes it much harder for members of the species to meet and reproduce. They end up being starved into extinction.
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She's obviously more superior than the rest of the Scarabs, but she treated them very well all the same (keeping them healed while farmers are doing the opposite).
Which means that Scarabs use their...em...mutation thingy to their advantage.
Toutatis
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Interesting...But wouldn't the queen Scarab in the desert fall out of your superpredator theory?
She's obviously more superior than the rest of the Scarabs, but she treated them very well all the same (keeping them healed while farmers are doing the opposite). Which means that Scarabs use their...em...mutation thingy to their advantage. |
DarkDervish
In the manual it says the plague was brought on by unseen forces. Quote
"Over six hundred years ago, the infamous Scarab Plague devastated this province. Victims died horribly, as insects erupted through boils on their skin. Many believed the outbreak of plague had supernatural origins, blaming the suffering of the innocent on unseen forces." It mainly devastated this province apparently, and in the timeline by 652 DR/962 CC in the manual it says "Scarab Plague sweeps through Elona, decimates the population, and wipes out the Royal House. Istan abandoned. End of the Primeval Kings."
Immediately prior to that on the timeline, in 524 DR and 834 CC in the manual timeline it says "First mention of corsair activities in the Dynastic records. Monument building common in Istan and Kourna." So perhaps they were cursed for these monuments for some reason, (idolators, lol), or maybe the corsairs intentionally brought the scarabs over somehow?
It ended the reign of the Pimeval Kings, so perhaps it was targeted at them, as it caused the fall of the Royal House and brought Fahranur to ruins. Fahranur could be said to be "ground zero" of the Scarab Plague, as it seems all investigations center around it, and Istan was hit the worst. So maybe it was some kind of curse on the Primeval Kings?
You know there has to be some explanation or reason for the Scarab Plague in the quest writer's mind, possibly it ties into some later storyline?
"Over six hundred years ago, the infamous Scarab Plague devastated this province. Victims died horribly, as insects erupted through boils on their skin. Many believed the outbreak of plague had supernatural origins, blaming the suffering of the innocent on unseen forces." It mainly devastated this province apparently, and in the timeline by 652 DR/962 CC in the manual it says "Scarab Plague sweeps through Elona, decimates the population, and wipes out the Royal House. Istan abandoned. End of the Primeval Kings."
Immediately prior to that on the timeline, in 524 DR and 834 CC in the manual timeline it says "First mention of corsair activities in the Dynastic records. Monument building common in Istan and Kourna." So perhaps they were cursed for these monuments for some reason, (idolators, lol), or maybe the corsairs intentionally brought the scarabs over somehow?
It ended the reign of the Pimeval Kings, so perhaps it was targeted at them, as it caused the fall of the Royal House and brought Fahranur to ruins. Fahranur could be said to be "ground zero" of the Scarab Plague, as it seems all investigations center around it, and Istan was hit the worst. So maybe it was some kind of curse on the Primeval Kings?
You know there has to be some explanation or reason for the Scarab Plague in the quest writer's mind, possibly it ties into some later storyline?
Hyper Cutter
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In that case, she would have to travel pretty far across the mainland, which includes a sulphuric desert...which sounds impossble for Scarabs, unless they could tunnel.
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sindex
Another Demon entity trying to seek passage to the mortal realm or destroy it, because there is something’s that is supposed to leave unanswered? It could have been Abbandon himself trying to weaken the masses in Elona for his comeback, but failed miserably.
DarkDervish
Well the big thing to me, as I quoted from the manual earlier, the Scarab Plague seemed to target Istan, specifically the First City, and killed off the Royal House of the Primeval Kings. The fact it killed off the Primeval Kings means that it did actually change history to an extent, so it has to be something behind it. Most likely if our main villain is Abaddon, it was him, but you wonder who his mortal servants were who carried it out.
sindex
Yeah unfortunately who ever it was kind of failed miserably (people still survived) and probably is in the realm of torment. It would have been nice if that scenario was true to have a follow up quest to it in the realm of torment.
The Mighty Toe
If the Dynastic Spirits blame Palawa Joko for their fall, and the Scarab Plague is supposedly caused by 'unseen forces', perhaps it was good old Joko trying to wipe out the Dynastic Kings so he would face much less resistance when it came to the time to invade Elona?
borik oakwood
well lets think a second.
the primeaval kings were tryin to ascend therefore making the god take attention. for some reason they failed (please inform if possible)
so mabye it is a divine plague caused by the gods.
the primeaval kings were tryin to ascend therefore making the god take attention. for some reason they failed (please inform if possible)
so mabye it is a divine plague caused by the gods.
Free Runner
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well lets think a second.
the primeaval kings were tryin to ascend therefore making the god take attention. for some reason they failed (please inform if possible) so mabye it is a divine plague caused by the gods. |
DarkDervish
I'm going with it was probably Palawa Joko, but the massive scale of the plague was interesting and that it wiped out such powerful kings. Can any one elaborate on whom they were?
Free Runner
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I'm going with it was probably Palawa Joko, but the massive scale of the plague was interesting and that it wiped out such powerful kings. Can any one elaborate on whom they were?
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Most will remember them from last Wintersday,them being NPCs all over the place (one threw snowballs at players while quoting lines from the movie Dodgeball) as well as the holders of the green tombs weapons stolen by The Darknesses.
But i agree it probably was Joko behind it. He seemed to be the source of most of Elonas troubles around that time.
Guildmaster Cain
Dont forget King Thorn!
All hail King Thorn!
All hail King Thorn!
Roupe
Well, The Tomb of Primal Kings lies near Glints cave
Elona Reach mission in the Tyrian Dessert had three diffrent elonian parties struggeling for ascension
the quest said that the eggs were in the food the grain perhaps. Perhaps the Scarab plague was "man made" Its not to far fetched that some fraction tried to kill off the Primeval King and his court, and that the "assasination" backfired and spread like wildfire.
The scarabs was probably a natural hazard, but the extent of the damage they caused was started with some human help. The scarabs then "learnt" to duplicate that manner. (think tapeworm poisoning)
most likely suspect is the Kournans (abbadon worshiper may have been there all along).
Elona Reach mission in the Tyrian Dessert had three diffrent elonian parties struggeling for ascension
the quest said that the eggs were in the food the grain perhaps. Perhaps the Scarab plague was "man made" Its not to far fetched that some fraction tried to kill off the Primeval King and his court, and that the "assasination" backfired and spread like wildfire.
The scarabs was probably a natural hazard, but the extent of the damage they caused was started with some human help. The scarabs then "learnt" to duplicate that manner. (think tapeworm poisoning)
most likely suspect is the Kournans (abbadon worshiper may have been there all along).
Sofonisba
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The only other place in tyria with scarabs is the Krytan jungles, ....
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Sort of like, Dryders in Gate of Pain, also are found in other incarnations in the Fire Islands, Northern Shiverpeaks, UW, FoW, and Tombs (probably missing some areas too). Then again, wiki says that Terrorwebs are Demons, so maybe I just don't know what I'm talking about.
And now that I look up Demons, smite crawlers are classified as those as well...
Yeah, I really don't know what I'm talking about. Carry on!
Angel Netherborn
Palawa Joko as the source? Depends on how long you think he has lived. The Scarab Plague started over 300 years before Palawa Joko built his Bone Palace and over 400 years before he invaded Vabbi. If he wanted to disrupt the peace in Elona so he could invade, why wait 400 years to do it? Why not unleash the plague a few years before conducting any invasion?
How about natural causes? A severe mutation on a particular insect species? Caused by "unseen forces" could be just superstition, or evidence of how traumatic, tragic, and deadly the plague was.
PS: I think "Scarab" was mostly inspired by the Mummy (movie). And I seriously doubt the quest writer had the scarabs from proph in mind.
How about natural causes? A severe mutation on a particular insect species? Caused by "unseen forces" could be just superstition, or evidence of how traumatic, tragic, and deadly the plague was.
PS: I think "Scarab" was mostly inspired by the Mummy (movie). And I seriously doubt the quest writer had the scarabs from proph in mind.
DarkDervish
I still find it likely that it was not a natural plague, being its scale, and that it wiped out the Primeval Kings and was targeted at Istan.
It could have been a plague like the Black Death that just popped up, but I find it highly unlikely. Scarabs were popping out of people's skins, it sounds more "Biblical" or "supernatural" so to speak. I think something caused it, and the quest writer had this in mind. It seems an big part of history.
It could have been a plague like the Black Death that just popped up, but I find it highly unlikely. Scarabs were popping out of people's skins, it sounds more "Biblical" or "supernatural" so to speak. I think something caused it, and the quest writer had this in mind. It seems an big part of history.
draxynnic
And, possibly more importantly...
It's a big loose end.
Who'd be willing to take the other part of a bet that this is going to show up in some future chapter?
It's a big loose end.
Who'd be willing to take the other part of a bet that this is going to show up in some future chapter?
Sophitia Leafblade
Could it be the corsair fighting (or farming perhaps) against the Istan kingdom drew the scarabs to Istan much like the current scarabs in tryia drawn by all the farming?
sounds like a potential plot line there for a future gw chapter, the scarab plague consuming Tryia.
sounds like a potential plot line there for a future gw chapter, the scarab plague consuming Tryia.
DarkDervish
I agree, it is a big loose end. Perhaps we are giving it too much credit though, but I just don't think it is something the designer created with no further thought in mind than that it was just a plague that wiped out the Primeval Kings and the entire Istani civilization at that time (The island was uninhabited for I think it said a few decades or more). There has to be more behind it, but it may not appear in later chapters, maybe it was just a plot hook to explain why the Primeval Kings were killed off. I am just saying there has to be more back story we don't hear though, as some cause, etc.
exiled mat
creatures which popup from within the body, not only the mummy had that, ALIEN also had that.... *get's creepy images in his head* 
Solar Light
Fahranur is described as ground zero, and, what else is in farhanur?
Apocrypha.
BTW, how did the Apocrypha get there?
I always thought the Scarab Plauge and the Apocrypha were linked.
Apocrypha.
BTW, how did the Apocrypha get there?
I always thought the Scarab Plauge and the Apocrypha were linked.
draxynnic
That is possible, although my interpretation is that the Apocrypha was just a source of knowledge about Abaddon that got missed in the purge after the Margonite war.
One thing I have noticed, however, is that there are quests in the Realm of Torment tying up all the loose ends that had to do with Abaddon. If the Apocrypha caused the Scarab Plague, I'd have expected to see some quest later on explaining how it happened. Since we haven't had such a quest, my interpretation is that it wasn't directly related to Abaddon. Whether it was someone else wanting to keep people away from the Apocrypha and, hence, knowledge of Abaddon, is another question entirely...
One thing I have noticed, however, is that there are quests in the Realm of Torment tying up all the loose ends that had to do with Abaddon. If the Apocrypha caused the Scarab Plague, I'd have expected to see some quest later on explaining how it happened. Since we haven't had such a quest, my interpretation is that it wasn't directly related to Abaddon. Whether it was someone else wanting to keep people away from the Apocrypha and, hence, knowledge of Abaddon, is another question entirely...
Tide to Go
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In the manual it says the plague was brought on by unseen forces. Quote
"Over six hundred years ago, the infamous Scarab Plague devastated this province. Victims died horribly, as insects erupted through boils on their skin. Many believed the outbreak of plague had supernatural origins, blaming the suffering of the innocent on unseen forces." It mainly devastated this province apparently, and in the timeline by 652 DR/962 CC in the manual it says "Scarab Plague sweeps through Elona, decimates the population, and wipes out the Royal House. Istan abandoned. End of the Primeval Kings." Immediately prior to that on the timeline, in 524 DR and 834 CC in the manual timeline it says "First mention of corsair activities in the Dynastic records. Monument building common in Istan and Kourna." So perhaps they were cursed for these monuments for some reason, (idolators, lol), or maybe the corsairs intentionally brought the scarabs over somehow? It ended the reign of the Pimeval Kings, so perhaps it was targeted at them, as it caused the fall of the Royal House and brought Fahranur to ruins. Fahranur could be said to be "ground zero" of the Scarab Plague, as it seems all investigations center around it, and Istan was hit the worst. So maybe it was some kind of curse on the Primeval Kings? You know there has to be some explanation or reason for the Scarab Plague in the quest writer's mind, possibly it ties into some later storyline? |
another option could possible be the charr they came rampaging in here from the north and could possibly have had some cold passing around
also thought of abaddons undead armies, undead people do have some pretty nasty things going around, and plus abbadon has a portal in arid sea that takes him tyria to elona, elona to tyria. Something bad had to have happined involving the portal besides the portal helping abbadon get into tyria, because theres a forgotten guard standing right next to it.
Abaddon could have reached tyria taken the scarabs into elona and brought them to all citys for all to see and all to fall to
Plushie Penguin
Although magic is used as a reason for things to happen in the game, it's normal for humans to create a answer for any unexplained happening. So, it is really just possable it was a new kind of scarab had been created/found[as in, evolution or brought to Elona], and had found a way to exist in humans.
fires element
first i must apologize for not knowing how to post links to other threads. i know its annoying but it eludes me on how to do it. i would have to speculate that the scarab plague was caused by the misuse of the staff of the mists by men. as the story goes the staff of the mists and the scepter of orr were given to the great nations of the world as protection, but they became corrupted and terrible horrors were unleashed upon the land forcing the gods to intervene. upon intervening the gods struck down the rulers and sealed away both staves in thier tombs. now as is posted in another thread the horrors that the scepter of orr unleashed could have been the titans. since the scepter of orr is in tyria and the titans are as well it is a viable assumtpion. so since the staff of the mists is in elona then it seems to me that it is plausible that the horrors unleashed by the staff of the mists could have been those scarabs that wiped out most of the population.
Konig Des Todes
Finally the Archives prove to be of use for rezing old threads. 
First, to link to other threads type [ url= link ] -name you want- [/ url ] No spaces between the []'s. I also suggest pressing Enter some times. Makes it easier to read.
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Where does this get mentioned? It says
No where does it say the staves were corrupted - but the wielders. Source: Hallowed Point
I doubt the horror of the Scepter of Orr was the Titans. It would mean it was how the Door of Komalie opened. While possible, I think it deals more with the other ability. The ability to control the unworldly. While the Staff of the Mists controlled the worldly. To control Spirits on one hand, and to control material things on the other, can lead to deadly power.
Personally, I'm sticking with a theory already said. That the Scarab Plague occurred due to Palawa becoming a Lich.
If my research is correct, then one needs to invoke more than one school of magic. Khilbron invoked all four - Denial, Preservation, Aggression, and Destruction. In my opinion, only Aggression, Preservation, and Denial are required. Aggression - which is linked to Necromancy - would be the killing and undeath aspect. Preservation would be the resurrection aspect - or prevention of death *thus being a second aspect of undeath*. And Denial would be the aspect that prevents the soul from leaving the body - which is why a lich cannot be killed.
If the Scarab Plague was scarabs coming out of people's skins, even if eggs are eaten, wouldn't they first be cooked? Therefore impossible by normal means for such to happen. Even if raw, crewing would prevent that.
But, bring in Preservation, the scarabs are resurrected - possibly as undead through the use of Aggression. Or perhaps it's Aggression that made the Scarabs pore out of people violently.
First, to link to other threads type [ url= link ] -name you want- [/ url ] No spaces between the []'s. I also suggest pressing Enter some times. Makes it easier to read.
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I doubt the horror of the Scepter of Orr was the Titans. It would mean it was how the Door of Komalie opened. While possible, I think it deals more with the other ability. The ability to control the unworldly. While the Staff of the Mists controlled the worldly. To control Spirits on one hand, and to control material things on the other, can lead to deadly power.
Personally, I'm sticking with a theory already said. That the Scarab Plague occurred due to Palawa becoming a Lich.
If my research is correct, then one needs to invoke more than one school of magic. Khilbron invoked all four - Denial, Preservation, Aggression, and Destruction. In my opinion, only Aggression, Preservation, and Denial are required. Aggression - which is linked to Necromancy - would be the killing and undeath aspect. Preservation would be the resurrection aspect - or prevention of death *thus being a second aspect of undeath*. And Denial would be the aspect that prevents the soul from leaving the body - which is why a lich cannot be killed.
If the Scarab Plague was scarabs coming out of people's skins, even if eggs are eaten, wouldn't they first be cooked? Therefore impossible by normal means for such to happen. Even if raw, crewing would prevent that.
But, bring in Preservation, the scarabs are resurrected - possibly as undead through the use of Aggression. Or perhaps it's Aggression that made the Scarabs pore out of people violently.
fires element
sorry for the typing and thanks for the link posting help.
i mistyped who became corrupted. in my mind i was typing " but the rulers became corrupted."
and in this [research:ancientweapons] ,freerunner mentions that a possible horror unleashed was the titans. so that is what got me thinking about the staff of the mists and the scarab plague.
i mistyped who became corrupted. in my mind i was typing " but the rulers became corrupted."
and in this [research:ancientweapons] ,freerunner mentions that a possible horror unleashed was the titans. so that is what got me thinking about the staff of the mists and the scarab plague.