I don't understand this, perhaps someone here can enlighten me as to why GW chose to make finishing the game so anti-climactic? I mean it's like "You finished, thanks see ya, don't forget to buy the next chapter.. oh yeah here is a meaningless title also"
I finished Tyria and was like "I worked all those hours for this?" Gw could at least give us a no trade item (profession specific) or something. The title is meaningless. At first I thought "Ok kewl I have POT, then saw a low level with it.. I was like "Nice, someone afked most of the damn game..."
I'm sorry I really feel let down. I don't even care if I finish the other chapters now.. Every day I try to find some positive aspects about GW, but to be honest, it's really poorly planned with regards to self promotion etc.. Beautiful artwork will only take you so far..
I went to hang with my guildies and they said "So, what did ya get,..?" I hesitated telling them, why ruin it. But then realized, why should they work hard only to be disppointed. So I told them "A title... that's all" They were not impressed to say the least.
Why no end game rewards?
Enchanted Warrior
Amity and Truth
You're two chapters late with that rant.
Both Factions and Nightfall offer some kind of endgame reward, though the "reward" is argueably useless.
Both Factions and Nightfall offer some kind of endgame reward, though the "reward" is argueably useless.
Sir Mad
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On the other hand, rewards were added as a gift at the end of NF and Factions. Such a thread wouldn't exist if they had kept it as it was in Prophecy (aka: no reward).
Enchanted Warrior
Well at least that is something I guess. I really think GW needs a marketing person, working on the development of the game. I have been reading on gaming sites etc, and GW is not getting a good overall review. It's sad because with a lil extra work and thought GW could rule the net. It has the potential and the ability, but falls short in crucial areas. I guess it's just a rev stream for NcSoft, and not considered overly viable judging from their financial reports (gw accounts for only 14% of the ncsoft revenues).
Hell Marauder
Well, you did save Tyria from that evil Lich....for a true hero, to know that Tyrians are grateful ought to be enough, right?? But of course we players aren't really heroes, we are just a bunch of bloody mercenaries looking for better stuffs as a reason to fight. Wish storyline in chapter 4 reflects our true nature though. 
SparhawkJC
Taken off Gamerankings.com
Guild Wars: 89.3%
Guild Wars Factions: 85.0%
Guild Wars Nightfall: 82.6%
"By region, domestic sales amounted to KRW 53.9 billion (US$57.5 million), up 2% from the previous quarter thanks to the continued popularity of Lineage and Lineage II. North America and Europe recorded sales of KRW 15.8 billion (US$16.9 million) and KRW 6.1 billion (US$6.5 million), respectively. In Japan, steady sales of the Lineage series, buoyed by an increase in the number of users of Lineage II and the Chronicle 5 update in September, led to sales of KRW 9.1 billion (US$9.7 million), up 22% q-q. The percentage breakdown of regional sales shows Korea with 57% of total sales followed by North America with 19%, Europe with 7% and Japan with 11%. Overseas royalties amounted to 6%. Meanwhile, the percentage breakdown of sales by game titles shows Lineage and Lineage II with 36% and 35%, respectively, followed by City of Heroes/City of Villains with 9% and Guild Wars® with 14%."
Note that it's sales by game titles, and not region specific. The Lineage Series is right up there with WoW in Asia in terms of popularity. On the other hand the majority of US sales would consist of Guild Wars and CoH/V. 14% is not a small percentage of total revenue at all, when you consider that the only NCSoft franchise that outsells it is their flagship Lineage Series.
Guild Wars: 89.3%
Guild Wars Factions: 85.0%
Guild Wars Nightfall: 82.6%
"By region, domestic sales amounted to KRW 53.9 billion (US$57.5 million), up 2% from the previous quarter thanks to the continued popularity of Lineage and Lineage II. North America and Europe recorded sales of KRW 15.8 billion (US$16.9 million) and KRW 6.1 billion (US$6.5 million), respectively. In Japan, steady sales of the Lineage series, buoyed by an increase in the number of users of Lineage II and the Chronicle 5 update in September, led to sales of KRW 9.1 billion (US$9.7 million), up 22% q-q. The percentage breakdown of regional sales shows Korea with 57% of total sales followed by North America with 19%, Europe with 7% and Japan with 11%. Overseas royalties amounted to 6%. Meanwhile, the percentage breakdown of sales by game titles shows Lineage and Lineage II with 36% and 35%, respectively, followed by City of Heroes/City of Villains with 9% and Guild Wars® with 14%."
Note that it's sales by game titles, and not region specific. The Lineage Series is right up there with WoW in Asia in terms of popularity. On the other hand the majority of US sales would consist of Guild Wars and CoH/V. 14% is not a small percentage of total revenue at all, when you consider that the only NCSoft franchise that outsells it is their flagship Lineage Series.
Darkobra
"Multiplayer Game of the Year
Dungeons & Dragons Online: Stormreach (Atari)
Guild Wars Factions (NCSoft)
Second Life (Linden Labs) "
What was that about them not getting a good review? They're being nominated for Game of the Year. And like some one else said, if you REALLY didn't enjoy the game, how would getting an item at the end of it make the game suddenly better? You either enjoyed the game or you didn't. And the way I see it, you must have if you went out of your way to get missions and bonuses done.
Dungeons & Dragons Online: Stormreach (Atari)
Guild Wars Factions (NCSoft)
Second Life (Linden Labs) "
What was that about them not getting a good review? They're being nominated for Game of the Year. And like some one else said, if you REALLY didn't enjoy the game, how would getting an item at the end of it make the game suddenly better? You either enjoyed the game or you didn't. And the way I see it, you must have if you went out of your way to get missions and bonuses done.
Lyphen
*face palm*
lacasner
Well, for him and like me, pretty pictures aren't enough to satisfy us.
Enchanted Warrior
One review is hardly proof of the game success, and to be fair neither is a few bad reviews. But, when have you seen a game released that was truly panned and got a totally bad review?
SparhawkJC
Gamerankings is the average review of a number of magazines (CGW, Gameinformer, etc.) and also a number of online sites (Gamespot, IGN, 1up.com).
Darkobra
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One review is hardly proof of the game success, and to be fair neither is a few bad reviews. But, when have you seen a game released that was truly panned and got a totally bad review?
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Thomas.knbk
Sometimes, my friend, the journey is more important than the goal
PanGammon
Well I sorta agree with you on Tyria. I finished factions 4 times and NF once so far but haven't even finished Abaddon's Mouth on Tyria. Tyrian missions are 1 hour long, 1 hour for bonus, 25 missions and every single mission is runnable. That means that you can effectively BUY the title.......................... go factions IMO its the best mission system of all 3..........
aron searle
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I don't understand this, perhaps someone here can enlighten me as to why GW chose to make finishing the game so anti-climactic? I mean it's like "You finished, thanks see ya, don't forget to buy the next chapter.. oh yeah here is a meaningless title also"
I finished Tyria and was like "I worked all those hours for this?" Gw could at least give us a no trade item (profession specific) or something. The title is meaningless. At first I thought "Ok kewl I have POT, then saw a low level with it.. I was like "Nice, someone afked most of the damn game..." I'm sorry I really feel let down. I don't even care if I finish the other chapters now.. Every day I try to find some positive aspects about GW, but to be honest, it's really poorly planned with regards to self promotion etc.. Beautiful artwork will only take you so far.. I went to hang with my guildies and they said "So, what did ya get,..?" I hesitated telling them, why ruin it. But then realized, why should they work hard only to be disppointed. So I told them "A title... that's all" They were not impressed to say the least. |
Its like how I found half life so disappointing, once I completed it, it was like wow is that it. No reward or special title, what a disappointment..................
Knightsaber Sith
Not only has Factions been nominated for Game of the Year; but Prophecies (that we're talking about here) already won GOTY. Hence the GOTY edition. It's a bit more than simply "one good review".
Sure the other two campaigns give you end game greens; but Prophecies was the first and they add more and more features/rewards with each successive chapter. I think Prophecies is great the way it is. People just now completing it after the other two campaigns have already been released don't realize just how good they have it and complain about the lack of the newer rewards in the older game. And no I don't think they should go back and add something to it.
Sure the other two campaigns give you end game greens; but Prophecies was the first and they add more and more features/rewards with each successive chapter. I think Prophecies is great the way it is. People just now completing it after the other two campaigns have already been released don't realize just how good they have it and complain about the lack of the newer rewards in the older game. And no I don't think they should go back and add something to it.
Enchanted Warrior
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Kook~NBK~
No end-game reward was a complaint by many, many players when they made the discovery when they finished Prophecies. "What? Is that it, a trip back to Droknar's Forge? WTF???" was, and it appears that it still is, the sentiment of people who finish that chapter.
BUT... A-Net listened and incorporated end-game rewards into factions and Nightfall. And the way they did it was quite thoughtful, too. When you finish the last mission, you get a token ("Book of Secrets" in Nightfall, or an "amulet of mist" in factions) that you can trade for a weapon of your choice. That way, if you finish it with a Monk, and you've already got a rockin' Monk weapon already, you can trade that token for any of the available weapons that you may need for a different character.
As others have alluded to, the sense of accomplishment in beating the game should be considered a nice reward in itself.
BUT... A-Net listened and incorporated end-game rewards into factions and Nightfall. And the way they did it was quite thoughtful, too. When you finish the last mission, you get a token ("Book of Secrets" in Nightfall, or an "amulet of mist" in factions) that you can trade for a weapon of your choice. That way, if you finish it with a Monk, and you've already got a rockin' Monk weapon already, you can trade that token for any of the available weapons that you may need for a different character.
As others have alluded to, the sense of accomplishment in beating the game should be considered a nice reward in itself.
Count to Potato
end of game reward are the satisfaction of beating the game, if u beat the game to get the reward then your playing PVE for the wrong reason, for me having fun and being satisfied with a sense of accomplishment is how to play a game
CyberNigma
yeah that was my biggest complaint. I wasn't looking for an item as much as an exclusive end-game area I could go to. Back then I didn't know much about pvp and thought I'd be taken to the Hall of Heroes (whatever that was)., A boat trip back to Droknar's Forge really really sucked lol. not enought o quit though, I still had Sorrow's Furnace coming up :-) I would compare it more to a really enjoyable movie with a really crappy ending. The movie itself is enjoyable enough on its own though. As far as Factions, I wish they'd move that guard downstairs. he takes you from the exlusive zone intot he common area instead of the other mway around. when you talk to him you tell him you have business IN the exclusive zone. I think it was meant to get back into the exclusive zone after you've finished the game...
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Exactly, I should reward some of my op. This was not meat as a bash, but more of a expression of disappointment. If people feel the need to make this about me being a malcontent then that's kewl. If gW spent as much time on game mechanics and overall planning as they do on artwork, they would effectively double their playerbase. The lack of rewards in game is probably due to the fact people would abuse the system and farm endgame rewards (if they were worth it) so of course those trying to play the game as intended get shafted.
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Creating another one only beats a dead horse to a bloody pulp.
Enchanted Warrior
Well I don't have that vast of knowledge of other related posts, and using seach to find them is painful (not a flame just the result of being a busy site).
No doubt there have been numerous replies like yours. Which begs the question, why make one more? LOL Obviously we both saw a reason to say what we did.
No doubt there have been numerous replies like yours. Which begs the question, why make one more? LOL Obviously we both saw a reason to say what we did.
Zexion
You do realise you get access to 5 very fun and relatively challenging quests in Droknar's after beating the game, right? Access to new challenges can be considered a reward
_Zexion
_Zexion
DL Lorre
Dunno why your realy complaining, with the exception of exalted aegis faction endgame items....lacked.....a lot.....
But then theres always urgoz and kaanaxai to go get killed by =p
Havent beaten NF or Propecies yet but factions was the first one i got
But then theres always urgoz and kaanaxai to go get killed by =p
Havent beaten NF or Propecies yet but factions was the first one i got
lg5000
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Well I sorta agree with you on Tyria. I finished factions 4 times and NF once so far but haven't even finished Abaddon's Mouth on Tyria. Tyrian missions are 1 hour long, 1 hour for bonus, 25 missions and every single mission is runnable. That means that you can effectively BUY the title.......................... go factions IMO its the best mission system of all 3..........
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Priest Of Sin
Sometimes eles overexhaust themselves and need to regen... was he echoing Meteor Shower or spamming Obsidian Flame? If so, that's probably why he needed to regen.
But I gotta say, I loved prophecies. The missions were challenging near the end, and you had to devote a massive ammount of time to them. No greens? Well, some people finished the game BEFORE greens were here..
But I gotta say, I loved prophecies. The missions were challenging near the end, and you had to devote a massive ammount of time to them. No greens? Well, some people finished the game BEFORE greens were here..
Antheus
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Well at least that is something I guess. I really think GW needs a marketing person, working on the development of the game. I have been reading on gaming sites etc, and GW is not getting a good overall review. It's sad because with a lil extra work and thought GW could rule the net. It has the potential and the ability, but falls short in crucial areas. I guess it's just a rev stream for NcSoft, and not considered overly viable judging from their financial reports (gw accounts for only 14% of the ncsoft revenues).
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What does any of this have anything to do with missing end-game items. Not only that, but GW has ranked Game of the year, best-seller in many lists, and that for Prophecies (the one you played). Not only that, but rumors have it that GW did surprisingly well financially.
And how come, everyone here is an expert on MMO game marketing, development, merchandising, maintainance, branching, support, and everything else.
Prophecies doesn't have an end game reward. Period. Paraphrasing some random numbers from a report doesn't make your point any more valid. It's like suggesting improving icons in Windows 95. These products are dead. They were phased out.
Gorebrex
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Well at least that is something I guess. I really think GW needs a marketing person, working on the development of the game. I have been reading on gaming sites etc, and GW is not getting a good overall review. It's sad because with a lil extra work and thought GW could rule the net. It has the potential and the ability, but falls short in crucial areas. I guess it's just a rev stream for NcSoft, and not considered overly viable judging from their financial reports (gw accounts for only 14% of the ncsoft revenues).
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Taken off Gamerankings.com
Guild Wars: 89.3% Guild Wars Factions: 85.0% Guild Wars Nightfall: 82.6% "By region, domestic sales amounted to KRW 53.9 billion (US$57.5 million), up 2% from the previous quarter thanks to the continued popularity of Lineage and Lineage II. North America and Europe recorded sales of KRW 15.8 billion (US$16.9 million) and KRW 6.1 billion (US$6.5 million), respectively. In Japan, steady sales of the Lineage series, buoyed by an increase in the number of users of Lineage II and the Chronicle 5 update in September, led to sales of KRW 9.1 billion (US$9.7 million), up 22% q-q. The percentage breakdown of regional sales shows Korea with 57% of total sales followed by North America with 19%, Europe with 7% and Japan with 11%. Overseas royalties amounted to 6%. Meanwhile, the percentage breakdown of sales by game titles shows Lineage and Lineage II with 36% and 35%, respectively, followed by City of Heroes/City of Villains with 9% and Guild Wars® with 14%." Note that it's sales by game titles, and not region specific. The Lineage Series is right up there with WoW in Asia in terms of popularity. On the other hand the majority of US sales would consist of Guild Wars and CoH/V. 14% is not a small percentage of total revenue at all, when you consider that the only NCSoft franchise that outsells it is their flagship Lineage Series. |
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That's because people in Tyria have no idea what energy management is... I remember the last time I did Hell's Prencipe kiling the first few titans, then the ele of all people, requesting time to 'regen'.. why would an ele with 60+ energy need time to regen?? A monk needing regen after a long battle, I can understand (unless it's a factions monk).
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Hell Marauder
There are reasons from a role-playing perspective that we don't deserve an end game reward in Prophecy. You see, Lich is the bad dude but for much of the game we were helping him. He also managed to send out his titans in the end to terrorize Tyria before we killed him, so we can't expect anyone to thank us for correcting our mistake. Also in both Factions and NF, we are helping natives to eliminate known threats and it makes sense that they would line up in the end to congratulate us. In Prophecy, it wouldn't make sense since no one in Tyria is aware of Lich's evil scheme except us the players. Not to mention the job is undone as titans are roaming in Tyria. People in Tyria also appear poorer than Canthans and Elonians. So a free ship ticket back to Droknor is probably all they can afford and all we deserved anyway, based on the storyline that is. 
Kai Nui
I have to disagree, I think I'd rather play through Tyria's storyline than go through factions's cruddy storyline to get a lousy green item. Spare me. I enjoyed Guild Wars because I liked killing the lich and doing actual side quests in the missions, risking it all some times to do something. The nightfall bonuses are jokes in comparison in my oppinion, they're just making you do like 3 or 4 small easy tasks to get masters, or in some cases timed. Not to mention Tyria was larger, it had much more missions and none of the repeat missions where you go back and replay events in a similar way and call it a different mission on some explorable area you've already been. But honestly nightfall is a great game from the Gates of Desolation onward anyway, and it's 20 missions is better than a lousy 13 timed missions, nearly half of the total 25 in tyria.
If anything, you should be complaining about factions giving you a cruddy green, because it doesn't make the game "climactic" or "great" since right after I got that piece of crap I sold it and went back to get the title so I can say I did it for Kind of a Big Deal. It's like the skill hunter title, which is probably why I do it. I think games are for enjoying, not to be a chore to come to every day. I remember before titles after I got all 25 missions done, I was pretty happy and went on to finish mapping out the world. The Falls, Lornar's Pass, and other such places were part of what made the game a world that you could explore. Back when Rotscale was actually a randomly cool bonedragon guarding doors to who knows where near the shed that had the scepter of orr. Maybe you think otherwise, but if you play a game as something that should be played through to get something out of it, or if you consider farming fun, well sure, go ahead and think that, but if you don't enjoy it, it's just a waste of time. Either way. Hope someone understood my ramblings, maybe you'd have to play as long as me or just be partially insane.
EDIT: One last note, in "Prophecies," the 25th mission isn't the end of the game. It still has Sorrow's Furnace and the Defend quests from Glint which are much more challenging and a test of skill than anything else in the history of GW in my oppinon.
If anything, you should be complaining about factions giving you a cruddy green, because it doesn't make the game "climactic" or "great" since right after I got that piece of crap I sold it and went back to get the title so I can say I did it for Kind of a Big Deal. It's like the skill hunter title, which is probably why I do it. I think games are for enjoying, not to be a chore to come to every day. I remember before titles after I got all 25 missions done, I was pretty happy and went on to finish mapping out the world. The Falls, Lornar's Pass, and other such places were part of what made the game a world that you could explore. Back when Rotscale was actually a randomly cool bonedragon guarding doors to who knows where near the shed that had the scepter of orr. Maybe you think otherwise, but if you play a game as something that should be played through to get something out of it, or if you consider farming fun, well sure, go ahead and think that, but if you don't enjoy it, it's just a waste of time. Either way. Hope someone understood my ramblings, maybe you'd have to play as long as me or just be partially insane.
EDIT: One last note, in "Prophecies," the 25th mission isn't the end of the game. It still has Sorrow's Furnace and the Defend quests from Glint which are much more challenging and a test of skill than anything else in the history of GW in my oppinon.
Kakumei
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Possibly because alot of spells cost so much energy. Yes, Gylph of Lesser Eenergy lets you cast 2 spells at -15 energy, but you cant always wait for it to recharge, sometimes theres a need for a spell, ect. I dont have any idea how(Prophecies skills only, all I have now) to do what youre asking, short of just not casting spells occasionally, even if needed.
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Sometimes eles overexhaust themselves and need to regen... was he echoing Meteor Shower or spamming Obsidian Flame? If so, that's probably why he needed to regen.
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If you have 5 energy spells that cause exhaustion on your bar, surely, you'd know how to not use them all the time? I dunno.. I had obsidian flame on my bar once... then refused to put it back on..
Anyway, that's off-topic.
A reward at the end of prophecies, or a better ending would have been nice. The ending wasn't exactly impressive, though, I loved the way factions ended and while nightfall was interesting, I still prefer the factions end.
The items.. well.. the nightfall endgame sword looks nice.
Rusty Deth
Well one thing, well actaully two things, that Prophecies has over Factions and Nightfall is Sorrows Furnace and the newly, well old now, revamped Tombs...
Both updates made well after Gw was released.
If you want greens those two are always open. No ferrying, no having to beat the game to get there.
You just have to be good and in a good group. Something not needed to beat Prophecies since every mission is henchable.
Both updates made well after Gw was released.
If you want greens those two are always open. No ferrying, no having to beat the game to get there.
You just have to be good and in a good group. Something not needed to beat Prophecies since every mission is henchable.
VanDamselx
I seriously don't see what the big deal is. Especially since you're saying that it's runnable, any low level that got ran through the game would get the same reward as you, too. So would it really be THAT satisfying?
Xenex Xclame
One Question, what would have been a good reward for you?
I'm just wondering here cause i think i might already know what you want as reward.
I'm just wondering here cause i think i might already know what you want as reward.
Mourne
People are so greedy...why are they always wanting things given to them. I'm sorry anet didn't hand you some weapon or sheild of your choice 
. As someone already said, based on the Tyrian storyline, we didn't deserve anything anyway. We were working with The Lich.
No reason to be dissapointed over not getting something for free.
. As someone already said, based on the Tyrian storyline, we didn't deserve anything anyway. We were working with The Lich.No reason to be dissapointed over not getting something for free.
CyberNigma
I, personally, prefer the end-game cinematic in Nightfall over either of the other two. After you leave the throne room via the npc there it shows a cinematic explaining how things are after you saved the world. Indeed it drops you back off in Kamadan, but at least it's not just a boat ride back with no real explanation of how you've changed the world. I don't really care about the green items, though I do like that at least Canthans talk to you and cheer you on in an end-game instance. If you know the storyline then you should know that helping the Lich had to be done in order to identify the greater evil. Abaddon would have still had his way regardless. If you hadn't of helped the Lich then someone else would have and then everyone would've been screwed. Besides, I imagine the Lich was good before Abaddon corrupted him, just like he corrupted Shiro. It would've also been nice to see those two free from the corruption after you beat them again in Nightfall.
Like I said, I was expecting something like what the other three had, but a little different (a new place that it drops off people that finished the game). I actually thought u were dropped off in the Hall of Heroes before I realized what that meant. No way, after 20+ years of roleplaying pen and paper and eventually computer rpgs did I expect such a horrible ending like Prophecies had. The only reason I still swear by that game is because the rest of it was really fun. It's almost like watching a movie but not seeing the ending. Not all rewards are in the form of items like the last few posters seem to think people want.
Like I said, I was expecting something like what the other three had, but a little different (a new place that it drops off people that finished the game). I actually thought u were dropped off in the Hall of Heroes before I realized what that meant. No way, after 20+ years of roleplaying pen and paper and eventually computer rpgs did I expect such a horrible ending like Prophecies had. The only reason I still swear by that game is because the rest of it was really fun. It's almost like watching a movie but not seeing the ending. Not all rewards are in the form of items like the last few posters seem to think people want.
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gobla
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Sometimes eles overexhaust themselves and need to regen... was he echoing Meteor Shower or spamming Obsidian Flame? If so, that's probably why he needed to regen.
But I gotta say, I loved prophecies. The missions were challenging near the end, and you had to devote a massive ammount of time to them. No greens? Well, some people finished the game BEFORE greens were here.. |
How I miss them.
I'm actually glad prophecies offers no reward, all those perfect greens just make getting equipment far too easy. Before greens you really had to go out and get good golds. You always took 3 keys of any high level area with you for chests, the golds inside them might just be your next great weapon. But now.... why spent 5k on 3 keys when you get just buy a perfect green for the same money?
ChaoticCoyote
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You're two chapters late with that rant.
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Hardly! I think the items are quite good.
And if nothing else, you can sell your "reward" for some quick cash to get something else you might want.