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Xeones The Great

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ok i have 3 questions concerning pyro PvE eles:

build-
fire 12,3,1 ES 9,1 healing 9 prot 3 (rebirth)

immolate
fireball
searing heat/rodgorts
phoenix
fire storm
healing breeze
healing hands
rebirth

1 - when u actually nuke the enemies, do u stand close to them? i ask this because many skills are greatly enhanced when ur close to them, such as phoenix or lava font

2 - isnt searing heat better to put in than lava font?

3 - what runes should i stick on my pyromancer? so far im gonna put:

sup fire magic
minor energy storage
minor/major/sup vigor

should i put in attunement and/or vitae??? i have NO idea help please!!!

Thom Bangalter

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nuking generally refers to attacking from range. The concept is to think of a 'nuker' as a guy sending ICBMs at someone from a safe distance. Lava font and pheonix are garbage skills though.

Searing heat is better than lava font arguably, they're both pretty bad though. I'd suggest rodgort's and fireball.

Your runes are fine, don't use runes of attunements, use vitate. the +10 health is far more beneficial than 2 measily energy.

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mark of rodgort or rodgorts invocation lol?

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what do i put in for phoenix?

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I'm pretty sure I've made clear in other posts I hate mark of rodgort's. I mean rodgort's invocation.

I'm assuming, of course, that you don't have nightfall. If you do, searing flames wins. It decimates pvp. Theoretically you could try something else 'fun', but pve has never been all that fun for me.

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...

maybe...

idk...

indecianary bonds? IDK!!!!

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Your build has 2 elites.

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o yea and wht about the problem that enemies flee from AoE spells?

any solutions to that?

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what the **** are you talking about arkantos?

u definitely made a mistake....

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Xeones The Great
ok i have 3 questions concerning pyro PvE eles:

build-
fire 12,3,1 ES 9,1 healing 9 prot 3 (rebirth)

immolate
fireball
searing heat/rodgorts
phoenix
fire storm
healing breeze
healing hands
rebirth

1 - when u actually nuke the enemies, do u stand close to them? i ask this because many skills are greatly enhanced when ur close to them, such as phoenix or lava font

2 - isnt searing heat better to put in than lava font?

3 - what runes should i stick on my pyromancer? so far im gonna put:

sup fire magic
minor energy storage
minor/major/sup vigor

should i put in attunement and/or vitae??? i have NO idea help please!!! 1. Nuking generally refers to standing back and not dying. Elementalist point blank spells have a really nasty cooldown, and it's rough to incorporate much in the way of defense into their builds. point blank spells are for more of a suicide bomber style of play.

2. Searing heat is better than lava font, but so is just about every other spell in the game. If you have nightfall, searing flames really is the best AoE out there for fire. if you don't searing heat isn't so bad.

3. The runes you have are fine, I'd toss vitae or the condition reduction ones in over the attunement things. Who needs +2 energy when you have over 70 anyway?

As far as scatter goes, it's not too big of an issue if you use the larger AoE spells, i.e. not firestorm. Scattering does have positive effects, after all, enemies can't cast and move at the same time.

Finally, your build has no emanagement, so you'll be able to cast about 3 spells before having to stand around for a minute or two. Bring ether prodigy, attunements, glyphs, or something to help keep your energy happy.

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
Lava font and pheonix are garbage skills though.

Searing heat is better than lava font arguably, they're both pretty bad though. I'd suggest rodgort's and fireball.
Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove
Searing heat is better than lava font, but so is just about every other spell in the game. Why do you guys hate Lava Font so much?
At 16 Fire, you're doing 53 Fire Dmg per second to any enemy that decides not to let you be the guy "standing back and not dying".
Even with the AI updates, you do a good 100+ dmg (a'least) and if you manage to put Mark of Rodgort on the foe(s) they'll be burning away!

Oh and as for Mark of Rodgort,
In PVE gameplay, thats an awesome skill to have since the NF Update!

So many times I've found myself run out of energy!
Just throw MoR on your foe and hit it with the Fire Staff/Wand! I mean c'mon . . burning things is what being a Pyro is all about!


So final words . .
Mess around man, you'll come up with a Pyro build that is good for you eventually, so no worries!



Edit: Unless you have NF, in which case Searing Flames + Glowing Gaze is the way to go!

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Searing Flames + Glowing Gaze + Glyph of Lesser Energy + Fire Attunement + Paragon Teammate = Win

Thom Bangalter

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What he said. Also, lava font sucks because the aoe is piddly and the aftercast sucks.

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A fire build without Fire Attunement is silly.

And if there isn't an energy elite, not having Glyph of Lesser Energy is silly too, now that they've buffed it.

Mixing Fire and Healing has some merits -- I used to do it in my old double-Glyph build, except that it was mainly used to throw in a few Heal Parties to help the monks out. But generally it's suboptimal.

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by the way this is the pyro build on this site

i need a nuker, though

i really dont understand energy management so someone help me out here plz

should i take out healing and put in elite glyph and fire attunement?

please SOMEONE HELP ME AAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

also, i can either bring fire attunement or bring glyph of energy with meteor/meteor shower???

please answer me and tell me what to take out!

ok how bout this then?

fire magic 16 energy storage 13 protection 3

immolate
fireball
rodgorts invocation
glyph of energy
fire attunement
rebirth
meteor shower
searing heat/fire storm

HELP ME PLEASE!!!

no point of being an ele/monk without monk spells, eh?

so NO HEALING - WASTE OF PROFESSION!!!

And What The Hell Is Good About Ether Prodigy?!?!?!

hmm... i think ill go with this one... give me ups and downs plz

fire magic: 16
energy storage: 14
protection: 3

immolate
fireball
rodgort's invocation
incendiary bonds
elemental attunement {E}
fire attunement
(i have no idea)
rebirth

anyone have ideas for the "i have no idea" slot?

anyone know a good fire staff to go with this build because exuros doesnt have enchants +20%, and many ppl say thats necessary for an attunement build

or does anyone have a better nuker with max DPS + energy management?

*edit* do the attunements stack? *edit*

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Quadruple post FTL. There's an edit button for a reason.

Energy management is managing your energy so you can cast spells when you need to cast spells. Whether that's by not chain casting, or using skills that give you energy is up to you.

There's not really any point in bringing glyph of energy for your build. The whole point of glyph of energy to to get rid of exhaustion, not so much to conserve energy. If you want to be a pyro but don't have searing flames, try something like this:

Immolate
Fireball
Rodgort's Invocation
Incendiary Bonds
Aura of Restoration
Fire Attunement
Elemental Attunement [E]
Rez

There are many other choices for energy management, glyph of lesser energy, ether prodigy, and glowing gaze being the stand out winners.

An E/mo with ether prodigy is one of the most effective healers in the game, thanks to heal party. If you really feel you must concentrate on damage though, you're best sticking to that instead of trying to tank. Anyway, the monk spells you picked-healing breeze and healing hands- are two of the worst monk spells. They're a complete waste of a slot, on a wammo or a monk or an ele. There's a few threads floating around here about E/mo and healing, take a look at those.

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You might want to stop yelling and cursing at the people you are asking for help.

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wow... where to start? lol multi-posting ftl!

first off, your most recent build aint so bad, itll work just fine. as said before, if you have nightfall, id get searing and glowing gaze. probably the best dmg output for a fire ele right now. plus its easy to use. but whatever, its fine.

as for the use of ether prodigy, its best used for spamming higher cost skills, ex. heal party spam or with a blind bot.

now as for not using your secondary, not every build uses its secondary. just because its there doesnt mean you have to use it or that if you dont, you are missing out.

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ok thx

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Quintiple Posts merged.

Thom Bangalter

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^thanks

Before I had nightfall, I ran this:

Meteor shower
ether prodigy
fireball
rodgort's
glyph of sacrifice
rez chant
heal party
free slot (I often ran immolate here if I recall correctly, you could run draw conditions, or healing breeze, or whatever crap skill you want to slap here)

The build kinda sucked to be honest, but at least I had prodigy+heal party. It's probably the best non-searing flames ele I've played though.

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ok thx again, but i dont want a healing build

i need a heavy nuker that can heal himself when the monks dont, not an ether prodigy-heal party healy ele thing

thats why i had in HH and healing breeze, so i could heal myself

so, is there anyway to get these skills in but also heal?

immolate
fireball
rodgort's invocation
incendiary bonds
fire storm/searing heat
elemental attunement
fire attunement
rebirth

also, what is better? fire storm or searing heat?

and, do attunements stack?

attributes: 16 fire, 13 energy storage, 3 protection

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great
ok thx again, but i dont want a healing build

i need a heavy nuker that can heal himself when the monks dont, not an ether prodigy-heal party healy ele thing

thats why i had in HH and healing breeze, so i could heal myself

so, is there anyway to get these skills in but also heal?

immolate
fireball
rodgort's invocation
incendiary bonds
fire storm/searing heat
elemental attunement
fire attunement
rebirth

also, what is better? fire storm or searing heat?

and, do attunements stack?

attributes: 16 fire, 13 energy storage, 3 protection The point of the ether prodigy guy is not just to heal, but to provide some support while you do other things.

For any class, it's a huge mistake to think that monks might not be able to heal you therefore you should bring a giant pile of self heals. There are going to be monks, and if they're dead, everyone else is probably dead too, you're not going to fend off the mob by yourself. Monk heals are about a jillion times more efficient on monk primaries than anything you've got, let them do their job and you do yours. In addition, breeze and healing hands are about the two worst monk spells there are. You're an ele, not a moron wammo.

That being said, aura of restoration is a reliable self heal to help keep you topped off. However, the major reason to bring it is to cover up those attunements-which do stack- so being stripped doesn't shut you down for 45 seconds. Aura has a 5 second recharge, so you can pretty much cast it whenever you need.

Searing Heat is vastly better than firestorm because firestorm has a tiny AoE.

Rebirth is generally not a good idea when you're going to burn 70-80 energy from the "lose all energy" thing.

As much as I like immolate, it's probably not needed in this build, which looks to be going for AoE damage. Most eles- including myself- like to put immolate in builds because of it's low recharge. It gives you something to do when everything else is recharging, like flare. Really, you're better off sticking to your big spells that could pay off well if you hit a big group.

Thom Bangalter

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I'm not healing, I'm spamming party when people take damage and I have nothing else to do while things recharge. Fireball is on a 7 second recharge, rodgort's is 15 seconds, and glyph+meteor shower is a minute 30. Plus, pug monks are generally crappy and So proper midline support is needed.

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If you are a lvl 20 ele and you want to do damage, then get Searing Flames or Sandstorm. Otherwise, just use another profession.

And yes, attunements stack. Air eles often run Elemental Attunement with Air Attunement to be able to spam air spells, but the damage is arguably weaker than what a warrior or dervish could deal, but with less defense.

On paper, eles do huge amounts of damage, but in practice, high level and highly armored enemies drastically reduce the damage that is actually delt by elemental spells.

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ok last thing

should i put in searing heat or aura of restoration?

also, should i carry resurrect and not rebirth?

ALSO, I AM ONLY PROPHECIES!!!!!!

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Carrying Rebirth is crazy for an elementalist.

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Searing Heat Or Aura Of Restoration?

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Quote:
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Searing Heat Or Aura Of Restoration? Neither.

kess

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for pve nukers

Fire attunement
aura of restoration
Mark Of rodgort
Searing Flames {e}
Glowing gaze
liquid flame
rez
utility slot.

good for boss killer too, just hex the boss with MoR then spam SF and GG until he dies, no worries about nrg running out, and the boss (or any enemy foes) always takes dmg on every SF and burning all the time.

AoR is enough for self heal.

double the dmg if you have another ele hero running the same build.

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once again, prophecies only!
ok heres the build im gonna run, last choice, ups and downs plz

fire-16
energy storage-13

immolate
fireball
rodgort's invocation
incendiary bonds
meteor shower
elemental attunement{E}
fire attunement
resurrect

rago's flame staff

sup fire, minor energy storage, sup vigor, vitaex2

health-475
energy-84>>>>

o yeah, lightning hell, what should i put in for searing heat if u think it sucks so bad?

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o yeah, lightning hell, what should i put in for searing heat if u think it sucks so bad? Don't try to be badass, please. I'm unfamiliar with anything of the sort, and I'm not in the least intimidated by it.

I'd suggest running something from your secondary. If you want to stick pure ele (which I really, really wouldn't advise)...Glyph of Elemental Power?

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Shower. Shower was always awesome. I'd also drop incidiary bonds for glyph of sacrifice, so you can pull an ensign.

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shower - AoE

AoE - fleeing foes

fleeing foes - not good

secondary is monk

what do i put in?

also, whats wrong with a pure ele?

a PvE pyromancer wont get much done without being all ele

if u have a suggestion, lightning, go ahead.

Thom Bangalter

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The knockdown prevents foes from fleeing, as does the delay in damage.

by awesome, I mean "marginally better than anything in the phrophecies only skills"

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kk ill try

also, whats an ensign?

o wow, shower+rodgorts while attunements are on = extreme dmg

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter
Shower. Shower was always awesome. I'd also drop incidiary bonds for glyph of sacrifice, so you can pull an ensign. He already has Meteor Shower. However, it is a serious omission of mine to forget Glyph of Sacrifice.

Ensign is a person. What Thom is referring to is his usage of Glyph of Sacrifice and a resurrection skill to insta-res a person, or his usage of Meteor Shower and Glyph of Sacrifice as so to insta-cast Meteor Shower, which originally has a 5s cast.

I would suggest using Ether Prodigy and power out Heal Parties at the times where your Fire spells are recharging.

Also, try not to double-triple post.

EDIT: Just remembered the full ele comment.

A Pyromancer wouldn't get much done anyways. I suggest putting in a spammable secondary spell so you can actually do something in downtime, and as I said (many will agree), Prodigy with Heal Party is awesome.

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Well lightning, that gets us back to my phrophecies only build.

Meteor shower
ether prodigy
fireball
rodgort's
glyph of sacrifice
rez chant
heal party
free slot (I often ran immolate here if I recall correctly, you could run draw conditions, or healing breeze, or whatever crap skill you want to slap here)

replace rez chant for restore life.

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no point of being an ele/monk without monk spells, eh?

so NO HEALING - WASTE OF PROFESSION!!!
Not to rock the boat of anything. *braces for flaming* Just because you're E/Mo doesn't mean you have to run any secondary skills. I agree that sometimes secondary skills come in useful and in some missions, which put monks under pressure, Heal Party is probably a good skill to run with. I am E/N and only use one necro skill in any of my builds (although I am working on another)...I use Deep Freeze and Feast of Corruption. I tend to customise my build for the mission and don't have one build I always run with.

Quote: Originally Posted by Xeones The Great
anyone know a good fire staff to go with this build because exuros doesnt have enchants +20%, and many ppl say thats necessary for an attunement build You don't need a 20% Enchantments staff. With enough in Energy Storage the attunements more than cover themselves...that is, they will always be recharged by the time you need to re-apply them. If they get stripped the 20% enchant is not going to be of any use anyway. I prefer +1 Attribute or +30 Health on my staves.

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Originally Posted by Xeones The Great
*edit* do the attunements stack? *edit* Yes, Dual attunements = 80% of the energy back is very good. Since the recent buff off Glyph of Lesser Energy I have found that I can take a more fun elite rather than taking Elemental Attunement. Glyph of Lesser Energy now works on 2 Spells making it much more useful.

One other point. I can't remember exactly but I think you asked how to keep enemies from running out of AoE skills like Meteor Shower. Team up with a Hydromancer running Deep Freeze

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there aren't that many impressive non-nf fire skills, unfortunately :P

fireball, mark, ibonds come to mind... maybe immolate.

rest of your bar's gonna be utility, defense, (a res!), energy management anyhow :!

playin' mostly e/me i came to enjoy having leech sig, power drain, inspired hex, stuff like that on my bar. though it's probably not the most useful *cough* hp/prodigy, gos/res chant *cough* around.

i used to bring distortion with me on fow pugs to take a little pressure off the monks when aggro innevitably broke from the melee guys (i hate skeletal berserkers (sp) -_-)... seems it got a little nerfed since, though.