the truth about the dervish

If ppl fink dervishes are based on enchancement then they shud try removal their any of their enhancement and see wht happens (vital boon, stagger force, better to keep their enchancement on than off dun u fink??? ) Grammer just went out the window...Dervishes are good with enchantment manipulation is what i think he is trying to say. Rending vital boon and staggering force can be very beneficial and we all know there are some great enchant rending skills on the dervish, this screams "manipulate your enchants when you play a dervish..."

Yeh same here,
When I first made my dervish it was almost impossible to get in a party.
For every mission I spent lik 40-50 mins looking for a groud.
But now that I finished the game and decided to start PvP, its much easier to get into a party in TA and HA if you're a Dervish. Well welcome to the club. The thing is that, like in HA and GvG, there is always a "meta", or build/class combo that seems to "dominate" and is popular. A while back, people used to think that only a N/Mo could MM, and anything else was nooby. They woudln't take warriors unless they were whammos. Mesmers were shunned by PvE. Only a few people actually saw through this stereotyping, hence the mesmers that have survived since then (just one example). Recently, with new updates and etc, groups seem to be taking anything and everything (though I suppose assassins and dervishes are being resented). Paragons sometimes have trouble finding groups too, since they say "oh monks can heal better than them" or "just get a ranger". Something the GW PvE community experiences, but I see is slowly dying away. One problem I see with PvE atm is finding groups, since people are becoming spread out through the campaigns. Soon many outposts and missions will be near empty with all the new campaigns (solution?)

The only time enchant stripping really gets tough is if there is a lot of it - every once in a while you will get a spawn that has 4-6 necro's with Chilblains that decide you are an easy target - you better have an alternate way to survive or just leave the fray for a moment and let a couple get killed.

The thing I like about it is that where we are weak warriors are strong, where warriors are weak we are strong, and most of the game we are about equal. So it meshes well to have one Dervish and one Warrior for tanks. I'm sorry, but is this really what happens?
In my experience, unless you have like 12 mysticism(even then, actually. it`s not like 4 energy's a lot), and mystic vigor and/or regeneration gets stripped in the middle of a big battle, I either have no energy to recast it (because I mistakingly spent it spamming attacks) or I just die from my low armor combined with no regen. People keep harping about how we have 4 pips of regen and mystic regeneration, but lets face it, thing aren't always ideal, and when they aren't, warriors are still sitting behind that huge armor. Derishes CAN be built around being a good tank, but given the same player skill, I do belive warriors are better suited for this purpouse. It's a trade really, we get worse tankability but we get high damage+aoe.

I'm sorry, but is this really what happens?
In my experience, unless you have like 12 mysticism(even then, actually. it`s not like 4 energy's a lot), and mystic vigor and/or regeneration gets stripped in the middle of a big battle, I either have no energy to recast it (because I mistakingly spent it spamming attacks) or I just die from my low armor combined with no regen. People keep harping about how we have 4 pips of regen and mystic regeneration, but lets face it, thing aren't always ideal, and when they aren't, warriors are still sitting behind that huge armor. Derishes CAN be built around being a good tank, but given the same player skill, I do belive warriors are better suited for this purpouse. It's a trade really, we get worse tankability but we get high damage+aoe. It's not like Dervishes have a lot of energy in the first place anyway, 25 energy, 4 pips of regen, you're gaining four per enchantment stripped with the regen on and hey presto you've got 5 energy right there which, as you should know is what most of the low-end enchantments/attacks/whatever cost to cast (Avatar of Dwayna being a plain on wild self-healing hex breaker for that 5 energy too.)

I understand things aren't always ideal in the battlefield, but then why are you spamming skills/attacks/enchants rather than taking into account what's going on before you do so? You should never really be out of energy with a dervish peroid even if you only use two or three enchantments that's 12 energy back right there when they've gone down, enough to either wipe out the threat or re-apply important enchantments (heck by the time you've put on Mystic Regen, you've got the energy for mystic vigour) and let's not forget Signet of Pious Light or Vital Boon, the former can end whatever you have left in your favor while vital boon is a 5e heal right there.

Still, I do agree Warriors have more viable tanking options and Dervishes can be a tempermental class in the wrong situations (what class isn't though?)

I'm sorry, but is this really what happens?
In my experience, unless you have like 12 mysticism(even then, actually. it`s not like 4 energy's a lot), and mystic vigor and/or regeneration gets stripped in the middle of a big battle, I either have no energy to recast it (because I mistakingly spent it spamming attacks) or I just die from my low armor combined with no regen. People keep harping about how we have 4 pips of regen and mystic regeneration, but lets face it, thing aren't always ideal, and when they aren't, warriors are still sitting behind that huge armor. Derishes CAN be built around being a good tank, but given the same player skill, I do belive warriors are better suited for this purpouse. It's a trade really, we get worse tankability but we get high damage+aoe. I'll put it this way - I have beaten all three games, cleared Sorrows Furnace and Tombs of the Primevel Kings with a group of hench/heroes as the primary tank. Much easier time than with my warrior.

Let me tell you the problem: "because I mistakingly spent it spamming attacks" - Bingo! You can not simply spam skills with a Dervish and expect to live - just watch what enchant is going off and use skills accordingly. Quit spamming a few seconds before mystic regen goes off and you will do fine in most areas. If you are in enchant stripping heavy areas the order they go on matters or you can cast a cheap crappy one to get them to trigger their enchant strip then put on the good one (see cover enchants and how people solo farm the UW - that build is even harder with enchant strippers and they get by - use the same tactics).

A warrior isn't a better tank - a warrior is an *easier* tank.

I've found that dervishes are very good at staying alive, if u know how to play them. And dervishes are the highest dmg melee class out there: crits will regularly go over 100 dmg, sometimes into the 200s. Also, why do people say dervs are an energy black hole for monks? maybe the stupid ones are, but ive never found that dervishes need constant healing when i monk. Take this situation for example: My melandru dervish was in a group with another dervish, 2 mesmers, a ranger, an ele, and a monk. This is in a PuG. We didn't have a single death (except for pets), and the monk didn't complain once (which typically happens even in really balanced groups). So much for being a black hole on healing.

And whats this about sins? theres no similarity between dervs and sins except 70 armor. Contrary to most people's belief, the purpose of the sin is not to frontline: its to ASSASSINATE. Why do u think sins are so popular in PvP? the best role of a sin is to shadow step in, kill the important casters, and then shadow step out. Don't compare dervs to sins: they are almost NOTHING alike.

As for real tanking: the warrior definitely wins in this category. But where do u need to REALLY tank? DoA and maybe UW. I would certainly take my warrior to wither ofthese places. But the fact of the matter is that neither of these places is worth the time (IMO) to actually tank in and clear the place.

Farming: yes, a warrior is probly a better farmer. Whoopdedoo. Invincimonks are better than warriors at farming. Depending on what ur farming, an earth tank ele is better than an invincimonk. Farming doesn't matter. I know no one has brought this up yet, but someone will.

All in all, warriors are good. So are dervishes. If you like to sit behind walls of armor, go for a warrior. If you like to do high dmg and manage enchants go for a dervish. Just don't bash good dervishes because of the noobs who like scythes and hoods. That maybe so but Dervs. can't still out put out as Much dmge as a adrenal warrior can as they don't require energy.I am talking about a good spiker or pressure build here.

That maybe so but Dervs. can't still out put out as Much dmge as a adrenal warrior can as they don't require energy.I am talking about a good spiker or pressure build here. And an adrenal warrior can not even come close to matching a Dervish's damage with adjacent enemies - the dervish doesn't need energy *or* adrenaline to spread the love. Of course, that may very well be because an adrenal warrior is supposed to spike and a dervish is supposed to spread damage/conditions so I'm not really sure what that point is supposed to mean. They also do not heal, nuke, raise minions, hex, or a ton of other things other classes do well.

I had thought that by now most understood that playing a dervish like a warrior isn't going to work (just as playing a warrior like a dervish isn't going to work).