Amazing Dervish... D/W

I think ViM worked on all foes in the area with conditions back then.. since then it's been changed to only the one you have targeted. It was much better before October 25th.

I see no change from ViM. My gain is still capped by the size of my bars 99% of the time. so the " nerf " didn't have the desired effect.

I also do not use a scythe. hate them for the most part. i use basically a FFS with crip/+5al mods and a +12+15-1e regen +30hp offhand. my base energy is 45. I can't complain.

Well before it got changed, ViM would fill you past your bars.. I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed this, and didn't want to say anything. >.>;

I think my record was something like 1100 hp and I forget how much energy, this was playing on a warrior, not a dervish.

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i just dont see the signet helping that much, it takes away from your spammability of myst sandstrm, ms is your spike and the sig kills your spike, sure it heals and gives some energy but then wheres you big 130 dmg spike. I say spike em, and then ViM at the right time and your bars stay full you then maximize ms and still have a good heal and energy gain without the sacrifice of your spike, but if thats what works for you go for it. not everyone has the same play style though, maybe we should all team up on a AB team or something and do some crazy spikes to opposing mobs, lol

I tried it in PvE and the problem I had was the constantly moving and scattering foes. Yes, there were times when I'd catch some grouped but by and large I was hitting 1 at a time, and there are better builds for that.

Or I'd be set to trigger an AoE and the foe would move on me, wasting it. At least with scythe attacks I follow and still hit them.

the stick and move does take some skill to get used to but once you get used to it you know how to position yourself.

Yes i know what viM used to do i was saying that my gain was still capped by my bar. what good is hp and energy you cant use?

I am not saying signet is bad i am saying it has its own purpose and turns the " mage-bomb " into a DoT build rather then a spike.

But to each their own.

ok going to try adn respond top the previous 3 posts simultaniousely...

optimal Play style of this build is not to spam sandstorm... the playstyle is high pressure dmg with a spike while tanking... the signet is needed not for healing as the primary ability but to release enchants when they need to be released...Dust cloak for example if triggered and released blinds everyone around you... which keeps you from getting interupted and taking massive dmg... staggering weakins all arround you which means you take less dmg from all melee attacks... you only need 4 enchants before wacking sandstorm... and the recharge times on your enchants aren't always available for spamming sandstorm every 8 seconds in the first place... however using your signet for casting and releasing dust and staggering while stacking enchants and releasing sandstorm which allows for perfect timing in the first place... keeps you alive as a bonus... it is very hard to kill this build except by certain profs like necros and messies... removing the signet really cripples that ability

if you want higher single target dmg then really the build and the playstyle for this build are not for you... this isnt the type of build where you just spam your skill bar without meaning... each skill in the build has its own purpose other than feeding sandstorm... otherwise the build would have any old enchants in it at all 5e costs and quick recharges and of Corse ViM...

also knowing or learning how to control agro is helpfull in any build you run... this build is meant for large agro.. and for it to work well you have to know how to clump your AI victims... in PvP its not realy a problem because the people coming after you typically dont run at all and you can tank their dmg...


I think what people are really having a problem with is how to play the build... its very different than normal... and is alot like farming ALOT... mater of fact this build can actually solo farm many places...

it is alot like being a touch ranger as well(except its AoE style touching).. you are going to c+space to stick to your primary target after clustering a group let your c+space keep you on them if they are running...

I am not getting angry and I hope im not insulting anyone... it really is a unique build that does require a unique way to play it... but once you get controll of that it is "amazing" as i stated...

some of you may need to go up against this build in PvP to see whats going on with it... some may need to be shown how to play with it... its harder to explain than show...

but the point all here is... you all are free to change skills if that is what you want to do... but it doesn not play the same way... i have been through ALL secondaries tuning this build up.. i have made a major attribute change to this making it a pure derv and 2 variants of a single skill swap... at this point in time i am not ready to post about it... but the skills listed and such for the build are what works the best for how the build was intended to be played... if you have a different playstyle that completely changes the build's effectivness as is and yes there is going to be a better build to fit how you play... if you can learn how to play this build the way i concieved it though i think youd really understand why the skills are what they are...

I am wondering how you manage your energy with this build. I am a newbie dervish player but I thought you only gained e back from high mysticism if the enchantments ends not being rended?

it it is removed it ends. thats why a grenth is so fun to play with.

i wouldnt say my playstyle is to spam m.sandstrom, if you do you'll only be stripping a couple enchantments at a time. I feel im waiting for more enchantments to recharge, so sandstorm is delayed. So using Signet of Pious Light would delay good usage of your spike even more. Im sure it proabaly evens out, 1 way kills quicker the other makes you even more of a tank but kill a bit slower.

Theres no elite in this build why?

First off.. Let me apologize for bumping such an old post..
But.. I have some related questions..

Ive been inactive for a few moths and have been reading about some "Nerfs" to different proffessions.. like the Paragon..

My main question is.. has anything happened that affects this build?
I ran the +10 axe mastery one and felt quite happy about the way it worked..
Altenating ViM with SoPL depending on Soloing or playing in a party that had a main tank...

Sec Q: Has there been any major improvements to it?

Also.. Any new items that helps? I used a 12 + 15 -1 +45hp(enchant) offhand..

Cheers..

I fought one of these dervs yesterday 2 rounds in a row. Both times he came after me and both times I killed him. The first time was harder cause he had a monk backing him but the second round was easy as pie.

Not saying your build is bad and I could see how he would cause trouble to warriors and sins but my build under the post ele pressure!!! takes care of most of these guys with little trouble. I'll say this though he did more damage to me than most anyone ever does.

He got our whole team almost at 50% health and bleeding but he was still killed. I don't know why we were all standing together lol..

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"dervish bombs" are indeed becoming common.
I personally like using them myself in pvp either to solo farm (zaishen challenge) faction or have some fun in arenas.
they work well farming monsters in game too.
Their survivability and tanking ability is great as well as the damage.
energy is a slight problem but usually only 2-3 cycles of enchanting and everything should be dead.
i like to use radiant armor with earth rune, mysticism rune, vigor rune, 2 attunement runes and a +10 staff with +5 energy inscript +5 energy head
i usually do not have any energy problems for the first few bomb cycles.

in random arenas i fought some1 in with this build he really soloed (the other were dead) all four of us we wernt that good but we had a monk an assa warrior and elementalist but we didnt even came half its hp really awesome im going to make 1 of these as well

Wouldn't it be better to go D/A, since you are using a non-req shield and an energy weapon? You could free up 1 slot for death's charge or shadow prison for a definite kill on your target, since this build functions almost identical to an E/A bomb.

ok, answer these when ever you can.
First of all; Hassin's shell, now i know this is just luck of the draw but 23 times and no drop? now that's just depressing.

Secondly; Rajazan's Ferver. I havn't found this being sold ANYWHERE but if it is sold, how much does it go for?

Thanks, i'm just a bit hyped up about being grinded toa halt in this build. i'l keep checking up for answers and if you need me i'll be killing hassin softskin again and again and again.

I use a D/W and love it, I find it to be very fun. My main problem with the Scythe is it is too slow however it does great AoE when used properly. Things like crippling sweep can devastate casters if they are bunched together. However I use a Totem Axe with a Serrated Sheild req 9 tactics -2 dmg in stance +30 health (GOTY edition bonus item). Which is hard to do some AoE damage with but find using Cyclone Axe or Zealous Renewal for energy management can help that a bit. Also I am a lvl 16 derv and avg about -50 a hit so it does well. Also for armor I use max Elonian with full Radiant Insignias, Superior Rune of Mysticism/Earth Prayers, and 3 Major Runes of Vitae. This keeps my energy at about 43 and with vital boon my health gets to a little over 400 right now with +9 health regen with all enchants (10 in mysticism). I have had a few PvE char strip enchants but find myself with just more health and easily recoverable.

Also I have found with a D/W you can get a decent run build, not as good as a D/A but close. I did a few test runs at lvl 13 from LA to Yaks and did in fact make it with a little help from other runners (I died 3 times). I also ran from Yaks to Ascalon with ease.

Just sharing my expierence with the D/W and the fun it brings. I also have a Echo Nuker but find this to be much more fun.

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i found energy management hard on this build. When i was mobbed, i threw up mystic and vital and beggan throwing up enchants. I got three up before i ran completely out of energy. After a few seconds energy returned and i used sandstorm however. To help with this i replaced aura of thorns with 'Eremite's zeal' which helped alot and now the build is incredible ^^. Mite be a problem that it takes away enchants, but it's fine for me.

I posted something like this during the beta testing. It originated from the CoPway enchantment spammer that shutdown halls during the alpha weekend.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10049418

many different varients of course but enjoy.

im just curious if my old school collectors Q8 tact dmg-2 (while enchant) +45 hp (while enchant) crimson carapace shield would work?

the discussion seems to have gotten carried away from the original build... so I will go back to that...
it's not a bad build however you dont need sword/axe mastery at all, you're not using your weapon as a damage dealer... you also lack an elite skill...
changes I would make to the original build:
1. drop sword/axe mastery and pump up wind prayers
2. drop Staggering Force and Heart of Holy Flame
3. add an elite, Pious Renewal fits perfectly to your build
4. add another damage skill, Mystic Twister(and thus wind prayers) fit perfectly to your build
than you can spike with Mystic Twister->Mystic Sandstorm and have another easily stackable enchantment that gives you another health+energy boost when it ends