Domain Of Anguish

The easiest way to help long quests and missions E.g FoW/UW/Urgoz/Deep/DoA is to create an outpost or 2 along the way to act if you like as a save game point, so the team can pick up where they left off

Your serious nothing happens? Wow maybe not looking forward to this after all. Try it one more time and see what happens, but if nothing happens report it.

BTW Xpl0iter- Your absolutely right man about the spiking thing it works like a charm. 4 Ele’s one with water the others with Air. 2 Monks, 1 Necro BiP’er and 1 Warrior. That was our last group but it does a good amount of damage.

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@sindex: has been reported, Gaile responded on GWO.

BUg with not being able to complete the protection is reported and Anet knows about the problem.

Actually they do. You lose.

I wonder how long this “bug” has been in existence. It’s kinda funny that it took over a week and 1600+ posts later for folks to start posting that they defeated these 4 quests. Does this mean that practically no one has been able to beat the 4 quests to reach the ebony citadel until now?

It only took about 24hrs for people to start posting that they beat Nightfall after it was release…but it takes over a week for people just to beat 4 quests in the Elite mission?

DAMN! this Elite mission must be really that difficult.

You know the mentality of some people…they are afraid to tell the truth in fear that we might not like them.

Remember kids, you don’t have to lie to make friends

Delete this double post please. Thank You.

I love that quote it's so true, but also remember that are some people who gullible who are willing to believe anything. People lie all the time it’s just a given and if you say that you never did then that makes you a liar in return.

Anyways I hope everything gets fixed so the people who finished get rewarded for what they do. At least we know the bug is fixed and we can continue on taking on DoA for what it is. As a matter a fact one quest down for me I still have the other four to complete.

Drop the issue it’s already dead, the last thing we need is trolling here.

Thanks for trying it out ^_^. Hoped u would like it. and Water eles, here is your chance!

Indeed. I would hope people had made it further, but I've yet to see much evidence of this. I've tried to hold off on any "This is too hard" posts, as getting past a good challenge can be very fun. Getting through DNKP is still one of the favorite things I've done. But, now I'm really starting to have doubts about this place. They claim to have over a million accounts, so at least some of those should be through by now.

This weekend, the few times I went down there, only two districts were ever open. I think it got up to a almost completely empty third district once. People are becomming so frustrated with this that it simply isn't worth the trouble. This area won't hold the interest of most people and is well on the way to being a ghost town.

Personally, I wish Anet would spend less time on content that the majority of the player base won't bother finishing and spend more time on things everyone could use. People have been asking for an auction system since the first chapter. There is a difference between making an area a challenge and wasting time making content that less than 1% of players can make their way through.

You know there could be any number of reason why people aren't coming other than "they have not finished the game", like PvP may take dominance, they want to roll there other characters through the game first, other things going on in real life, the list is rather long.

The other reason the players might be less, is due to population become diluted, we're all spread out over the 3 games soon next year to be 4 & 5,(if they don't go bust first that is), so what's needed here is central hub where those that have access can go, we just can't have 3 different places for FoW/Uw etc, just make an Island of the Gods, where all chapters visit by boat, and shut down the other places, you could also put DoA there too, if you have a small player based compared to the likes of (other games) then you need to consolidate your population, so that no one feels there is no one to play with, and subsequently leaves thinking under a wrong impression that the game is unpopular.

Of course this might put more demand again on better team building UI.

Agree.Since everyone pays the same price for the game.I have puttered with it but by the time you get into a pug and the missions take a bit of time.I will do it eventually but there is no real gain for me.The rit does me no good this late in the game....oh well

I don't think they have to neccessarily "shut it down", but maybe when your in ToA or Zen Ku, or Chantry of Secret, when you talk to any of the gods, you get a dialog to teleport to the "Island of the Gods" then once your there it would obviously be an outpost which could freely be map travelled to at your whim. Perhaps having portals for seperate outposts for each elite area, since there would be 5000 districts if everyone from across every campaign was in this town instead of spread across the three games. Of coarse the only areas acessable would be FoW,UW and DoA. The Deep, Urgoz Warren, Tombs, already have their own devoted outposts. I mean you could argue to include "warp points" to those areas since they are co-op "elite area" but when is enough, enough?

P.S. - DoA is too l33t for me.

Well that's kind of what I mean, you'd need to keep the places as is to fiery people to the new island.

I have to wonder about DoA (Dead On Arrival) if ArenaNet gravely under estermated PvE player skill.

Or gravely over estimated PvEer's tendency towards masochism.

A.net needs to fix DoA pronto. This whole stack enchants on the tank thing is ridiculous-expunge enchantments, order of apostasy, etc, needs to be put in, so that groups actually have to play well to win instead of using the, to be frank, stupid gameplay of having monsters whale on a tank while they get nuked.

Also fix the 5th quest.

I think they underestimated the effect of heroes. After breezing through the game, never having to team up with more than a few other people, and at no point having to spend much time organizing a PUG until you reach DoA, who's still interested in spending hour upon hour trying to get in an effective PUG? Not me, I'll tell you, even if I thought DoA was worth playing at all.

Heroes spoiled us for PUGging.

Well... During Chapter 1, you could always see people LFG for X quest, in part because henchmen we're not that good, when Chapter 2 came about for some odd reason people just stopped LFG for quests/missions at to some degree that has continued that way until today, why? well the only reason I can think of is the absolute lack of team build UI, people on some other forums have tired to sudjest this also, some even going so far as to photoshop a prototype, but so far ANet have been silent and done nothing the consequences of this is that people don't want to wait for people to make a group, it takes too long.

2 things in GW right now that are completely inadequate, trade system (actually touched on by some reviews), and the team building UI which both of this problems have been around since beta, they would have better spent there time rather than on (Dead On Arrival), to fix this problems rather than let them fester further.

Which is partly why GW is failing with these new places, and in part I kind of wonder if ANet aren't trying to scuttle there own game.

Those aren't the reasons why hardly anyone plays DoA. Guild Wars has so many potential DoA players that even those who get sidelined by the reasons you listed would have no noticeable effect on the numbers in the grand scheme of things. Just look at any event, there is between 75 - 200 districts for the event zone.

Granted not everyone owns NF and of those who do not everyone has beaten it, but even so when using common sense it is quite apparent there is a huge difference there that can only reasonably be attributed to players not wanting to be in DoA.

For a brand spanking new elite mission to go from 15+ districts to a maximum of 3 districts within a week is all the evidence required that DoA's "Dead on Arrival" name as coined by many posters in this thread is very apt.

I was in the Deep outpost a few times today. Not a single person was there other than me.

DoA is going to be likewise dead in a few months unless Anet starts swinging the nerf bat to bash DoA to smithereens.

Surely Anet doesn't want their elite missions to be flops like this. Yet it almost seems that way based on their apparent unwillingness to nerf DoA or provide access for everyone to the elite missions in Factions.

That wouldn't change anything about those areas. People who wanted to get in got in, one way or another. The reason those areas are empty is because they aren't much more fun than DoA is.

I do want to join the Guild wars is dying camp , however....

Just one week on from its release and ALREADY Domain Of Anguish is very quiet compared to the opening weekend when it was rammed.

I think that says it all really , and yes anet do have serious problems right now.

Yay! Titan gemstone prices are gonna go back up!

doa is just fine like it was, the only problem my group get is leaver , and err7 ppl . nothing else. also this is vent ts grp.

That doesn't mean there is no one that wants to play them at all, I'm sure like others, when I went to Factions high level content, I expected something on the level of FoW/Uw what I got was cheapness, pretty much what DoA is cheapness, when you go to FoW/Uw they look like some one gave a <censored> about what they was doing there, everything nicely balanced so anyone of any class can go play it.

Thing for me at least I and I know most will apposed to this thinking, but PvE is supposed to be of no challenge, if you want 'challenge' go PvP, at least your facing an something that knows what it's doing.

Nerf. Nerf. Nerf.

How about revealing some of more advanced strategies. Not because they would be so hard, but because then players might try them.

Right now, every single build is either trapper based, or T/N/H holy trinity. The posted build for the foundry relies on exploiting a pet corpse, and is the same tank/nuke build as everywhere else.

There's an odd attempt or two at something else, but inevitably, the common denominator seems that nobody in GW is prepared to even consider other builds.

This is why it fails. Nerfs won't solve anything. Yes, any attempt to bring challenge into GW has failed. Make it grind based, so that people can simply whack-a-margonite for 2 weeks, and get their razah.

Seriously. DoA has finally proven that time > skill matters. In two weeks no real new strategy has evolved, and the only groups that get anywhere use the tried and true dps build.

In this regard, GW has failed in its design. While supposedly skill based, up until DoA, no other area has required true skill, just some build that overwhealms the mobs. Maybe something like this will apear for DoA, although it's doubtful.

DoA is an area of skill. But apparently, nobody wants to even discuss that, and it ends with nerf, grind or too hard.

Hero's and lack of proper team building UI, is entirely to blame for that, new players don't learn those new strategies from 'other human' players because there wrapped up in there hero's/henchmen, oddly it started in Factions.

Of course, no one likes to be defeated, over and over again that's why people don't learn new skills in dealing with things, so they stick with what works and what ever doesn't fall in line with what works, they avoid.

Also grinding over 100 gems to get 1 weapon is way too much and would have put people off it, when they discover the difficulty of the place and figure out how long it will take to get that amount, I'd leave too.

Well, you just pointed out the fact: time > skill. Nobody cares about skill: they care about vambrace.

Those that did bother to try it out know, that gems drop. A lot. Really a lot.

But, the place isn't "that" difficult. Almost all mobs in DoA can be tanked "solo" by a single character, the ones I've seen are W, E, D, A and Mo. Almost all mobs can be killed fast. Backfire, mistrust and other anti-caster attacks will shred at least one mob before the nukers get their MS off. A ranger, rather than spending time trapping for hours, can daze entire caster groups. Sliver armor slices through melee. And so on...

And this is where it ends. An ele in DoA is SF/GG/MS/Gaze + rez. There might be an odd Obs Flesh tank. Bonders are once again standard practice. True, they halve the damage. But there are other ways to cut damage in half. There's also ways to completely prevent damage.

But none of these matter. NF campaign for me was by far the easiest. Factions is hard work compared to that. And there isn't a single place in PvE where such strategies would be even remotely required. Advanced strategies in PvE are limited to Spoil Victor and Spinal Shivers (although, that's by now forgotten, since nobody does The Deep anymore).

And this is probably the ultimate problem. Unlike GvG, HA and possible RA, where popular builds, strategies and tactics spread instantly, PvE has no such place. There simply is no authority that would help popularize new aproaches. There is no observer mode to copy from, the time needed to complete an area is too long.

And this is where the improper attitude shows. If DoA were seen as skill-required area, groups would be going in, trying new builds, everyone would be prepared to learn, different strategies would get refined, etc.

Didn't happen. As soon as Stygian Veil walkthrough was posted, everyone and their siblings was looking for 2 trappers, 2 nukers. It works, but unless played by synchronized team, just too slow.

And as a final unsult, SF is put as an example of fun area. A place that made stance tanking exploit infamous. A place of 4-man farming that made MM infamous. It's nicely done, the story, the graphics. But what is the driving force behind it? By exploiting certain tactics, it was almost afk farmable with armies of 30 minions and a tank holding agro with keg. These days, SF isn't much of anything anymore.

That's the truth. Exploit > Time > skill. DoA has just helped prove that.

Don't forget the FoW warrior holding book exploit (nerfed now, so don't try it), well that's what people do who play games casually, if they don't have time to develop/learn new things, they exploit even if that means an extra our, because casual as it sounds means you have a little time to play this game, let alone anything else, PvP is more I've got time to learn new stuff.

SF was on par with FoW, noted by the 4 manning which you can do too FoW as well, not the same build mind you, everyone loved it I didn't like the farming myself, because I wanted to get quests done, but that was a minor annoyance, so should those 3 areas from Chapter 1, be the limit to how hard things should be made for this game?

It seems there are two kinds of people here - those who think playing around with skills and builds is the core of GW, and those who think otherwise.

SF is given as an example of a fun area by the latter precisely because of the story, humor, graphics and atmosphere, etc. Skills are entirely beside the point - there's no need to use any exploits if you want to just play through the area instead of just farming.

How many people like to play around in dreary, post-searing Ascalon? I would guess not too many. DoA is post-searing Ascalon except it's uglier, things take 10 times longer to work through, and there are no outposts.

Key point.

DoA is empty because the reward doesn't warrant the effort, and the majority of the GW playerbase is concerned with rewards only. FoW and UW were made popular by Obsidian armor, which was a highly visible status symbol. In contrast, how many people actually want Torment items? You can't display these weapons in town (which is vitally important to the adolescent ego), and many would no-doubt prefer an Elemental Sword or Colossal Scimitar anyway.

Considering the disproportionate difficulty and required time investment of DoA, many players simply don't see any reason to attempt it without a sufficiently spectacular reward. I think everyone here would agree that interest and attendence in DoA would instantly spike if a Diamond Armor crafter was found inside Mallyx's Citadel.

SF is a good area. So is FoW. UW is slightly different, but also has good athmosphere.

But when comparing popularity, an important fact is often overlooked.

Both, FoW and UW are, to this day, severly populated by farmers. Apart from very desirable materials, there's also popular skins. Same held true for SF. It was dominated by farmers. During high times of SF, these forums were filled with complaints, about how everything anyone runs there is the 4-man farming groups, and how it's impossible to find anyone willing to do the quests.

Now here's DoA. Farmers haven't found their builds yet. Quest rewards are still a bit vague. How much are gems worth, is ambrace worth it, coffer? What about final quest? The greens?

In the end, it's the same story. DoA just raises the bar a bit higher.

It's hard to argue what ended SF. Was it the MM redesign, the item holding agro change? Both coincided with release of Factions, so that played a factor as well.

But regardless of anything, DoA isn't really much different from those areas. Factions elite missions are empty simply because it's too hard to get into them, not because nobody would want to play them. SF is still farmed for greens, quests have been long forgotten. And FoW/UW, still run ecto farming groups, despite all the changes.

So before prophecising gloom and doom to DoA, consider that it's at aproximately the same level as all high-end quest areas. The only difference is that the farmers haven't moved in yet, and perhaps never will, at least not to extent known in other places. But taking an objective look, farming(=grinding) is what keeps areas busy, not questing.

You can't really play around with builds and skill in "PvE" too much without it costing gold, this limits what people can play by how much gold they have, no such limit there for PvP, not that I'm advocating everything be free on building for PvE I'm not, but in PvE changing from one build to another can cost lots of gold, to get it right as it's supposed to be, since most people are poor, creativity is for the most part not there.

For all the wrong reasons.

Fix Razah. ~_~

[edit] For those who would like to say "you don't need razah", please show me another Ritualist hero I can acquire for my pve character. =)

Team building UI doesn't really solve the problem. It simply makes cookie cutter teams easier to verify.

Assembling an effective team is not something UI can solve. Planning for coherent build that covers all bases, while allowing everyone to contribute most is a task that goes beyond buttons and windows.

This is the key issue players experience in DoA. It's not about a build, where everyone downloads their individual class template, and plays that. DoA highly rewards team builds. It's doable without, but it's much harder.

The Deep build was individual build. 3 W/A with this and that skill, 4 nukers, a ss/shiver necro, ..... Set up your personal build, and forget about others.

In DoA, no such build has yet been proven to work. The closest, and possible only, is the usual tank/heavy dps/bond/prot/heal combo, or the trapper/nuker combination. They are simply brute force. What these builds completely ignore, is any kind of shutdown/denial/interrupt/damage prevention abilities. And considering the overabundance of casters in all those areas, such techniques help much more that simply trying to absorb the damage.

Designing a team build on the spot is not an easy task. It takes a very good understanding of all classes involved, and knowledge of all skills. This knowledge simply dwarfs the annoyances brought upon by manually coordinating builds.

An extensive group UI would mostly hurt, since it would merely serve to enforce cookie cutter stereotypes. Echo nuker is still the norm in many places, despite glyph being a better choice for fast moving groups, and various SF combinations even better. Anything but fire ele doesn't even exist in pve. Warders are sought from time to time in particular missions, completely neglecting a very powerful damage prevention aspect. For necros, it's MM or SS. And yet, blood is devastating in many areas. Prot monks are something rare as well. And not to mention many classes that don't even exist: Mesmers, Assassins and Ritualists being the notable ones, with Dervish and Paragon following close behind.

New UI isn't really a silver bullet solution to all of this.

A good point and if farming and chest running are what ultimately sustains an area, then naturally we can't expect them to be interested in anything but the most efficient and tested builds/exploits.

But I would say DoA is still different in the lack of even initial interest from the questers, explorers and other non-farmers, judging by the quick drop in district numbers.

As for Urgoz and The Deep, until they give permanent free access, it's hard to say how much people really want to play those missions. My guess is, not more than once or twice, when both farmers and non-farmers have better choices in UW, FoW and SF, and even challenge missions.

There is hope for the Mesmer in DoA. Splended :3

I still think there's a massive potential in Urgoz and The Deep. For one thing, the Zodiac skins are the best-looking skins in the game, in my opinion. All of the Nightfall skins were disappointing, and while I havent seen the tormented weapons, if you go by the icons, it doesnt look all that cool. Besides Zodiac and other rare chest drops, the guarantee of having 3 neat green drops at the end, which still sell nicely, is definitely appetizing to people. (Urgoz's Longbow still sells for over 100K).

For DoA's sake, I hope the tormented stuff look badass and Mallyx drops some sweet items as well! Otherwise, it'll be yet another place gone to waste in a few weeks...

Kind of a lame question, but forgive me for not searching through 84 pages of posts.

What does the Coffer of Whispers do?