Update Info: Razah is now In-Game!!

floppinghog

floppinghog

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2005

pit of brimstone

Squad Six Six Six [ssss]

A/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGuildWarsPenguin
Mesmer hero is Norgu
im sure he meant, the 2nd mesmer. all other core classes now have 2, except mesmer.

so yeah about that... where is he exactly? was it unbalanced to add 2 fast cast heroes?

X of Thulcandra

X of Thulcandra

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2005

Sector 001

N/A

W/

The description makes him sound like Data from Star Trek. He is a sentient android, pursues the goal of becoming more human, tries to understand human emotion, etc. (Data, that is.)

Hyper Cutter

Hyper Cutter

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jun 2006

Knights of the White Eye [HINA]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheGuildWarsPenguin
Mesmer hero is Norgu
Which still leaves one Mesmer missing (if you notice, the other core classes have two heroes each)...

Ninna

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2005

Northeast USA

Guilded Rose

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it would have been nice to have 2 mesmers but have you seen the prices of mesmer runes at the trader?

*all* go for 100 each

if that doesnt speak for unpopularity of mesmers, then I dont know what does

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

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50k?i smell a bug lol. If it gets lowered sux for the people that bought it.

Loki Seiguro

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Join Date: Jun 2006

IGN: Scarlet Test Ace

We play Isketch in [HoH]

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w/e 50k faction isnt that hard to get lol HA r12s ftw!!

Wreckless

Wreckless

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

InYurFace Gaming [IYF]

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo Nugget
50k?i smell a bug lol. If it gets lowered sux for the people that bought it.
Why would it suck, I'm almost completely unlocked again I'm at 13k faction and can hold 55. I'd unlock him for 50 if I could, more overall spent faction.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2005

Even if they lower it to 3 or 6k it doesnt suck for me that i paid 50. I wouldnt have anything to spend them on anyway, being so close to UAX. And i like a higher Total Faction earned. The fact that i won't be gaining any faction for long months till next chapter saddens me.

Lets Get to Healing

Banned

Join Date: Dec 2005

You want see?

True Gods of War [True]

Mo/W

Now, exactly what makes this guy special? Before you say "He's from teh mists nub", maybe I like norgu because he's an actor, or loves buffets.

Xenex Xclame

Xenex Xclame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

DPX

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
Why would he work different than other heroes? He's just a ritualist, the only hero ritualist. It's confirmed.
Cause rumor was that you would be able to change his primary, thats the only reason he would work different from other heroes, nothing else if hes stuck as a ritualist thats cool but sucks that we wont get the hero that can change his primary.

Micromaster

Micromaster

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

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W/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo Nugget
50k?i smell a bug lol. If it gets lowered sux for the people that bought it.
like others have said, its not a bug.... it was done on purpose.

birdfoot

birdfoot

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Singapore

Ordo Chaotika

W/Mo

I think we'd have to wait till the event begins to actually know how Razah works. But funny thing is ANet could probably have waited till they loaded up the update to include Razah. Anyway, I hope those guys that have gotten Razah got a refund for faction points when the update comes.

Scutilla

Scutilla

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Tyrian Explorers League

R/P

As things stand now, we have two each of every "major" profession (warrior, monk, ele, necro, ranger) and one each of every "minor" profession (mesmer, assassin, ritualist, paragon, dervish). This covers all the bases pretty nicely. If there's a mission where you NEED three of a major profession or two of a minor, I'd hope you'd take it seriously enough to do it with at least one other human (which doubles your hero pool for each profession).

For equality's sake it would have been nice to have a second mesmer, but... well, I think Ninna said it best

As for Razah not being a "variable" profession... not sure what I can say about that. Yeah, the Manuscripts and some 3rd-party previews said Razah would have a variable profession, and he doesn't. They also said we would have an elite mission and improved LFG function, and we don't (well, we'll have the mission tomorrow ). Plans change.

Silly Warrior

Silly Warrior

Hold it!

Join Date: Jul 2006

In your local courthouse.

The Arctic Marauders [TAM] (elite PvE, PM)

It appears that Razah is a super hero? lol

Makkert

Makkert

Black Beast of Aarrrrgghh

Join Date: May 2005

The Netherlands

The Biggyverse [PLEB] // Servants of Fortuna [SoF]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Hey, guys, that cost is ... er... somewhat exaggerated! Razah will cost in the area of 6K with the release of the Domain of Anguish tomorrow.
*snicker*
and a few already payed 50k for Razah. Nice one.

strcpy

strcpy

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

One of Many [ONE]

While not impossible, it would seem fairly strange to have a ritualist unlocked at 50k faction. Though a variable profession I could see at that (still high IMO).

According to gail sightings he is a ritualist.

Oh well, I am almost entirely PvE so not a big deal. Well, unless you have to go all the way through the elite mission, which I also wouldn't put it past them. For a variable profession probably worth it, for a ritualist - eh.

sindex

sindex

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

California

Swords of Night & Day [SWRD]

Ah I see now, here is my input on this. Rzaha probably was hard to work with originally, because of the “Variable Professions” being a bit harder to implement for A-net. So since so many people thought he was going to be a Ritualist anyways, they made him into one. Furthermore it saved them a good amount of time and effort, on working out the many obstacles if he stayed to original design. In the end the people would be satisfied with this result.

My question is what, was his appearance before you guys made him just a plain old Ritualist? Also what was the major programming flaw, into making him a hero that could hold “Variable Professions”?

Kais Unduli

Kais Unduli

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Room V

Looks pretty cool. I'm hoping the price for unlocking him goes down somewhat.

Yichi

Yichi

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Sep 2005

Guild Hall, Vent, Guesting, PvE, or the occasional HA match...

Dark Alley [dR]

Wheres asp so i can laugh that he spent 50k buying one

exiled mat

exiled mat

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

The netherlands > friesland > balk

[JAMM] Justified Ancients of Moo Moo

E/Me

It's very sad that he is just a plain ritualist...
First i had the urge to unlock him, but now i don't even think about it....

Variable proffesion has been kicked into the recycle bin and so has been the idea of having to work for something cool....


And he isn't good enough for people who don't have factions, because you don't have many "good" ritualist skills....


*crosses fingers that razah is secretly still a variable proffesion* (would be cool in pvp too ^^)

Razorwood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Newcastle (Ish)

Xcoh

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Why would people want to change him from Rt? Excluding him there is no Rt hero 2 of the core (excluding mes) and 1 of the other types.

The only reason I can see is people want to have 3 wammos.....

If you don't want a Rt don't use him, there are plenty of other types to use.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorwood
Why would people want to change him from Rt? Excluding him there is no Rt hero 2 of the core (excluding mes) and 1 of the other types.

The only reason I can see is people want to have 3 wammos.....

If you don't want a Rt don't use him, there are plenty of other types to use.
This is exactly the point. Who the hell wants another Wammo? 2 Necro heroes in a group is more than enough. Rangers...may be good...but do you really need more than 2?

A lot of people would feel as though the selection of heroes is "incomplete" without a Ritualist and a lot of people like them, myself included. So yea, If you don't like Ritualists just don't use him. Problem solved. If your bag is Koss and Goren running with Mending then just stick with that. Or you could bow down to the supreme healing power of the Restoration Ritualist. Basically healers WITH energy management skills.

FrogDevourer

FrogDevourer

on a GW break until C4

Join Date: Feb 2005

In your shadow

Servants of Fortuna

Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
Or you could bow down to the supreme healing power of the Restoration Ritualist. Basically healers WITH energy management skills.
You're being sarcastic, right?

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by FrogDevourer
You're being sarcastic, right?
Not at all. I've run a restoration ritualist for a very long time and to be honest, for me, there is very little between a straight-up monk healer and a straight-up ritualist healer. I know it's a little conditional but it's not hard to do...but so long as you bring a spirit like Recovery or you have a ranger with something like Favourable Winds Spirit Light OWNS Orison of healing. I know people will come back and say that for a lot of rit healing skills you need a spirit neaby for them to become effective is it really that hard? No. you stand at the back, slap your spirit down, which has beneficial effects itself, and you're good to go. Then there's the awesomeness that is Spawning Power. What comes with spawning power? ENERGY MANAGEMENT!

Personally I like Spirit Channeling. If you have an MM you could take Reclaim Essence. There's Attuned was Songkai etc.. etc.. Hence, not much need for Blood Ritual. I'm not saying Rits are a replacement for monks at all. Monks do other things much better like protection but if it were a choice between Dunkoro spamming Orison of Healing or Razah using Recovery and Mend Body & Soul with Soothing Memories followed by a swift Spirit Channeling, Razah wins while Dunkoro will be stood there trying desperately to regain that 5 energy he needs for Orison of Healing.

I hear people don't like Ritualists, which while I can't understand, I do accept it because I am exactly the same when it comes to Assassins. I think unless you understand Ritualist skills well and have played around with enough builds to figure out which ones work best people may not understand how powerful Rit heals can be. Oh. I forgot to mention Weapon Spells. Unlike Enchantments, they can't be stripped. It's just personal preference though I guess. I would be perfectly happy to sacrifice the few tiny points of health divine favor gives you for the healer to have their own energy management.

Sophitia Leafblade

Sophitia Leafblade

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Nov 2005

Dragon Slayer Guild [DSG]

R/

I love the fact hes a Rit, i was going to turn him into a perminent Rit anyways , ok so it would have been nice to have a variable hero but from doing a little programming myself i know how somethings u can get so close to and yet u just cant get them to work properly so if Anet was having problems with making him viable (as seen my his late addition) then its fine with me if he is a Rit and not how he was meant to be

FrogDevourer

FrogDevourer

on a GW break until C4

Join Date: Feb 2005

In your shadow

Servants of Fortuna

Sigh... so you were indeed serious.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
...OWNS Orison of healing.
No offense intended but I stopped taking you seriously when I reached this. Please do yourself a favour and play a good monk build. Orison is one of the worst heals one could take. It's the crap reference point. You don't want to know *if* a skill is better than Orison. You want to know *how much* it's better.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver
I think unless you understand Ritualist skills well and have played around with enough builds to figure out which ones work best people may not understand how powerful Rit heals can be.
And you should try to avoid bold statements such as "the supreme healing power of the Restoration Ritualist" until you've played a decent monk build. Dunkoro spamming Orison or Breeze isn't exactly what I'd call a decent build. In short, Ritualists have some funny tricks in their bags, but raw healing power (or energy management) isn't one of them. There's a reason why the best players (both in PvP and PvE, and no I'm not one of them) are using monks for serious healing. And if you think they're all wrong, then do some number crunching. Reality check: the monk is better.

Anyway back on topic. I'm very unexcited about Razah. Of course, I'll get him to complete my hero collection (even though I don't see when or why I'd need a primary ritualist). But honestly, I was expecting something more original and sexy than a plain ritualist hero.

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

Ok, so the monk is better.

I do play a monk (only since NF came out, so not that long) and my brother who, as far as I am concerned, plays a fantastic monk gave me the build I use...which I then tweaked slightly. One thing playing as a monk I don't understand the hatred towards certain spells. Perhaps you could PM me sometime to let me know what is considered to be a good build. Serious request btw.

And hey! What's not sexy about a Ritualist! Mine is damn fine

Razorwood

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2005

Newcastle (Ish)

Xcoh

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by FrogDevourer
Anyway back on topic. I'm very unexcited about Razah. Of course, I'll get him to complete my hero collection (even though I don't see when or why I'd need a primary ritualist). But honestly, I was expecting something more original and sexy than a plain ritualist hero.
What could be more originial than a hero type that isn't in the game?

Maybe you wanted a female Rt is that it?

Etrik

Etrik

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Romania

None atm

Mo/

Could you two stop it with the Monk and Rit crap now? It's going way offtopic.

Razah is in the game, and he's not variable. Huzzah

Minor thing: How would it be awesome in PvP if he'd be variable? I imagine you thought it would suck for the opposing team, but then they could just target him and see his profs..? :S

Cebe

Cebe

The 5th Celestial Boss

Join Date: Jul 2006

Inverness, Scotland

The Cult of Scaro [WHO]

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Etrik
Could you two stop it with the Monk and Rit crap now? It's going way offtopic.
I have

Anyway. Does anyone have Razah in PvE yet? I dunno if I have missed something but I can't find out where to get him.

Metasynaptic

Metasynaptic

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

W/N

Many of you have made the mistake of assuming that he was going to be any profession YOU wanted, when in reality, he was going to be any profession THEY wanted.

Thallandor

Thallandor

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Singapore

Seers of Serpents [SoS]

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I agree with FrogDevourer oh the monk>Ritualist for heals issue. (Heal+Divine>Restoration+whatever)

But as someone pointed out in an earilier post, having a variable primary profession is indeed problematic in Rune selection/application since it could perhaps become a programming problem and results in bugs.

Edit: ^Metasynaptic you are right, i went back to read the description again and it could mean as what you stated.

But perhaps what Razorwood said (okies i broke me promise not to respond to you) is true, if they are gonna give me a useless Ritualist Hero, might as well make her female, with a cute face and....nevermind.

Pete1975

Pete1975

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2005

Manchester

Mo/Me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelv
As of now, im not too sure, I will check for more, and post back here

EDIT: It's actually NOT impossible to unlock him.

Every level of champion (GvG) and hero (HA) you earn, you add a little to your faction holding maximum
It is actually 10% of the total faction you have accumulated. So you would have to have had 500k faction to hold 50k.

FrogDevourer

FrogDevourer

on a GW break until C4

Join Date: Feb 2005

In your shadow

Servants of Fortuna

Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorwood
What could be more originial than a hero type that isn't in the game?
Many original concepts have been suggested: a hero with unique 'monster' skills, a hero with unpredictable random skillsets (typically BotM), a hero able to mirror your allies' or your foes' skills, a preview of upcoming chapters... The basic idea behind all these suggestions was to make of Razah something *different* from a standard hero. Don't take me wrong, I love the heroes (despite the fact that they are overpowered and more fexible than my own characters, that is). But Razah was supposed to be special.

In short, the "I want to mimic humans" is very unoriginal and somewhat boring. It's a copycat version of many great characters, movies or series. Yet even if unoriginal, such a background allowed unique and very strange implementations, and special abilities. That's where the main potential of the whole Razah concept was.

In the end he's just a regular hero, and from a not-so-exciting profession. Kind of disappointing in my book.

Trakata

Trakata

Crimson King

Join Date: Jun 2006

Resplendent Makuun

Song of the Forsaken

I agree...Razah looks cool, I'll give him that, but if it's just another hero...I was under the impression that, because we had to wait for him, he'd be a little more interesting than "He's a Rit."

Oh well.

Isfit

Isfit

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2006

Vienna

D/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaile Gray
Hey, guys, that cost is ... er... somewhat exaggerated! Razah will cost in the area of 6K with the release of the Domain of Anguish tomorrow.
Aehm tommorow? Didn't it say Friday? Isn't that Today? 1st December?

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

*sigh* well the Champion title is out of my reach... and I'm R2 for the hero track.... so if I want Razah then I need Rank 7...then I need to get to R4 on Glads title :S.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isfit
Aehm tommorow? Didn't it say Friday? Isn't that Today? 1st December?
The news also said "in the evening of" December 1st. And they run on Pacific Time, so it'll be a while still.

Jenn

Jenn

Resigned.

Join Date: Sep 2006


I'm so excited!
I think that there'll be a huge advantage to having Razah in the party.. I can't wait to make a build for it

Morgoth the dark

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

[CDEX]

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulivious The Reaper
SO it's physically IMPOSSIBLE for razah to be unlocked in PvP, hehehe
well r7 hero + r4 gladiator can unlock it
(i have to see on my onw ingame, not too shure bout that )

Former Ruling

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Oct 2005

Cedartown, Georgia

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete1975
It is actually 10% of the total faction you have accumulated. So you would have to have had 500k faction to hold 50k.
Better look again, he was right.

Your cap increases with ranks of pvp titles, not based on how much total faction you've turned in.