SF
searing flames?
sorrows furnace?
S*** F***?
there are too many skills and places for these "initials" to not become confusing in short order.
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N E D M
scrinner
Huh? Acronyms are player made not anet... I fail to see the meaning of that post
Emik
I'm with Scrinner...
Never the less it's true that the amount of skills are a bit confusing.
First there was an SV necro as addition for solo farming UW (Sympathetic Visage)
Now with the buff there's an SV necro that use Spoil Victor
Never the less it's true that the amount of skills are a bit confusing.
First there was an SV necro as addition for solo farming UW (Sympathetic Visage)
Now with the buff there's an SV necro that use Spoil Victor
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Edit: Found it even MORE ironic that I used an acronym (OP) in a post about acronyms about a post about acronyms..
Arduin
Anyone fancy farming some Greens in SF?
Like anyone is going to mix this up with Searing Flames, or something similar.
For The Win...
Like anyone is going to mix this up with Searing Flames, or something similar.
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Esprit
I would agree that when you see new acronyms, it may be annoying to not know what it means.
Ask a guildmate or brave local chat if there is an acronym that you do not know yet. One thread will not stop people from using them.
Ask a guildmate or brave local chat if there is an acronym that you do not know yet. One thread will not stop people from using them.
Feurin Longcastle
You realize that some people post here without the desire to appeal to Anet directly, right? I think it's quite clear that he's appealing to the playerbase that reads these forums.
That said, I strongly agree with the OP. I was trying to figure out what b/p meant in terms of ToPK farming. It couldn't have been Boon Prot, because that didn't make much sense in the context that it was a superior farming build. After much digging around and searching I found the original post: Barrage/pet.
The internet is full of bad spelling and grammar. Let's not further complicate things with degenerate acronyms.
That said, I strongly agree with the OP. I was trying to figure out what b/p meant in terms of ToPK farming. It couldn't have been Boon Prot, because that didn't make much sense in the context that it was a superior farming build. After much digging around and searching I found the original post: Barrage/pet.
The internet is full of bad spelling and grammar. Let's not further complicate things with degenerate acronyms.
MrTumnus
what does OP mean?
Antheus
If someone in the Gates of Madness starts calling you a noob, for asking for a sympathetic visage for Shiro, at least you know you don't want them in your group. (Happened to me once, by a "pro exped dervish w/ wild blow, who finished the mission with henchies and was looking for masters".).
And if someone asks for a SS/SV necro, it should also be pretty obvious that it's not a Spiteful Spirit/Spoil Victor.
Most of these acronyms are very domain specific. SV for simpathetic visage is used almost exclusively for UW, SF for sorrow's furnace is rarely used, since anyone in Sorrow's Furnace already knows they are there, and Spoil Victor, obviously, is specifically requrested for Gates of Madness anyway.
I can't think of any other cases where it would be applicable.
And if someone asks for a SS/SV necro, it should also be pretty obvious that it's not a Spiteful Spirit/Spoil Victor.
Most of these acronyms are very domain specific. SV for simpathetic visage is used almost exclusively for UW, SF for sorrow's furnace is rarely used, since anyone in Sorrow's Furnace already knows they are there, and Spoil Victor, obviously, is specifically requrested for Gates of Madness anyway.
I can't think of any other cases where it would be applicable.
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Lost
I try to think of it as a game. Whenever someone types gibberish and abbreviations, I try to figure out what they really mean. It's either that or bang my head on a wall. My head already hurts...
Former Ruling
WTS r8 15^50 FDS S/B100k+XX OBO
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Yea, they do sort of collide from time to time when certian things have the same starting letters, but I've been able to keep up
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Yea, they do sort of collide from time to time when certian things have the same starting letters, but I've been able to keep up
logan90
What about the whole UW abbreviation?
Person 1: "Im going to the UW, anyone want to come?"
Person 2: "Sure, ill meet you in ToA D1"
Person 1: "I mean the new UW"
UW for the Underworld, and UW for the other Underworld within tombs (which should really be referred to as tombs. Its stupid to call it the UW when its clearly not the UW.)
Acronyms do get annoying sometimes. Especially when an acronym could mean 2 things within the context it is used.
Person 1: "Im going to the UW, anyone want to come?"
Person 2: "Sure, ill meet you in ToA D1"
Person 1: "I mean the new UW"
UW for the Underworld, and UW for the other Underworld within tombs (which should really be referred to as tombs. Its stupid to call it the UW when its clearly not the UW.)
Acronyms do get annoying sometimes. Especially when an acronym could mean 2 things within the context it is used.
Emik
Acronyms get annoying when people don't know when to use it.
QFT AFAIK Abbrevs FTW IIRC
QFT AFAIK Abbrevs FTW IIRC
Russell.Crowe
lol irl
on a more serious note, clarity is needed for CERTAIN abbreviations, I.E. when asking someone to take SS (spiteful spirit, spinal shivers?) it would be helpful to tell them exactly what you want
on a more serious note, clarity is needed for CERTAIN abbreviations, I.E. when asking someone to take SS (spiteful spirit, spinal shivers?) it would be helpful to tell them exactly what you want
Cebe
wtf? omg! BBQPWN!
lol
cheekyness ftw!
sorry, had to be done...I was only being cheeky. It also annoys me sometimes when someone says "GLF SS"....what? Spirit Spammer?...Spiteful Spirit?
lol
cheekyness ftw!
sorry, had to be done...I was only being cheeky. It also annoys me sometimes when someone says "GLF SS"....what? Spirit Spammer?...Spiteful Spirit?
Chicken Ftw
So err... you want people to not use acronyms anymore because you're too lazy to ask what they meant? o.o Yeah, it might be temporarily confusing, but you can either use context clues ("let's go farm SF" obviously means Sorrow's and not Searing) or just ask. Problem solved. o.o
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Stixxx
Its all in the context. If you see someone spamming: Looking For tank to farm SF" they obviously arent gonna farm for searing flames, but Sorrows furnace.
Many of these pickles get solved by just reading the entire sentence and clever thinking
Many of these pickles get solved by just reading the entire sentence and clever thinking
Jenn
I find it kind of neat that people have manipulated language and learnt to understand it. Albeit, it's basically slaughtering normal words, and maybe I'm a geek, but I really think it's so cool how people adapt and just pick up on modifications for language.
WTS req8 IDS +5e(always) 3/1V +29hp, S/B50k, B/O100k OBO
(I don't even know if such an item exists, but whatever). Many people here will know what that means, and they jsut don't realize that they've learnt to adapt to that.
I think it's cool
WTS req8 IDS +5e(always) 3/1V +29hp, S/B50k, B/O100k OBO
(I don't even know if such an item exists, but whatever). Many people here will know what that means, and they jsut don't realize that they've learnt to adapt to that.
I think it's cool
isamu kurosawa
MoP - mark of protection or mark of pain?
KvanCetre
The irony here is the the submitters name is an acronym.
Made In Ascalon
Unless the acronyms are cool ones like "FTW" or "WTF" (hey, they have the same letters :O), I hate it when people use them. Not everyone knows what the acronym stands for, and some people need to learn how to type instead of shortcut everything.
I love it when I see someone say "LFG 4/8, need monk" because then I know the group has a dumb leader, though.
I love it when I see someone say "LFG 4/8, need monk" because then I know the group has a dumb leader, though.
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What about the whole UW abbreviation?
Person 1: "Im going to the UW, anyone want to come?" Person 2: "Sure, ill meet you in ToA D1" Person 1: "I mean the new UW" UW for the Underworld, and UW for the other Underworld within tombs (which should really be referred to as tombs. Its stupid to call it the UW when its clearly not the UW.) |
Airbag
I actually like this topic, I just found out the meaning of most acronyms I didn't know yet by reading the replies
Inde
Besides all the Off-Topic and silliness/irony in this thread 
... it's an interesting topic really. The acronyms you see are going to be adjusted, added, modified, and adapted for all MMOG's. It's actually one of the great barriers that can stop a new player from coming in and being able to enjoy and play a game. The overwhelming amount of acronyms created by now, after this game has been out for 1 1/2 years, is not something that a brand new player is going to be able to catch up with anytime soon.
Brag moment, I actually talked about this very thing in an interview with Custom PC Magazine (UK).
... it's an interesting topic really. The acronyms you see are going to be adjusted, added, modified, and adapted for all MMOG's. It's actually one of the great barriers that can stop a new player from coming in and being able to enjoy and play a game. The overwhelming amount of acronyms created by now, after this game has been out for 1 1/2 years, is not something that a brand new player is going to be able to catch up with anytime soon. Brag moment, I actually talked about this very thing in an interview with Custom PC Magazine (UK).
Skuld
Sooo a random rant with no suggestions for a change, or even clarity on why :s
Str0b0
How do you people not get the abbreviations? Show a little situational awareness. If you are sitting in The Deep and someone says "Need SS then we go" Then they obviously need Spinal shivers and Spiteful spirit. You know they do or you wouldn't be there. The same goes for 90% of the skill and location abbreviations in this game. If you can't be bothered to keep up with where you are and what is needed for the missions, quests and runs in the area you are in then you deserve to be confused by something so simple.
lyra_song
"Remember when you could B/P at ToPK with MOP without activating the AOE?"
"Ya...but now you can use a Mot P/W with AoF or BF and add a Crit A/R to add bleeding."
"Ya...times change."
"Ya...but now you can use a Mot P/W with AoF or BF and add a Crit A/R to add bleeding."
"Ya...times change."
Inde
You are speaking as an experienced player Str0b0, telling a new player that you can't be bothered to help them because they should have an ability to have "situational awareness" when we are speaking of acronyms that are not even official in the game, talked about in any manual or referred to on the official site. These are player driven acronyms that can change, that some people might use differently and more.
We have people from different countries with different language displays that just may have a different letter in that acronym then you. There are so many variables to an acronym that is in no way official and just typed as a whim by any player. They do not "deserve" anything when even an experienced GW player may not know any of the hundreds of acronyms that any player in the game can create on the spot.
We have people from different countries with different language displays that just may have a different letter in that acronym then you. There are so many variables to an acronym that is in no way official and just typed as a whim by any player. They do not "deserve" anything when even an experienced GW player may not know any of the hundreds of acronyms that any player in the game can create on the spot.
Str0b0
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You are speaking as an experienced player Str0b0, telling a new player that you can't be bothered to help them because they should have an ability to have "situational awareness" when we are speaking of acronyms that are not even official in the game, talked about in any manual or referred to on the official site. These are player driven acronyms that can change, that some people might use differently and more.
We have people from different countries with different language displays that just may have a different letter in that acronym then you. There are so many variables to an acronym that is in no way official and just typed as a whim by any player. They do not "deserve" anything when even an experienced GW player may not know any of the hundreds of acronyms that any player in the game can create on the spot. |
Darcy
I was new to GW once. I remember watching the chat window and wondering what half the people were talking about. Between the abbreviations and the unknown builds, I was often totally confused.
So I asked. I asked on chat. I asked my guildmate. I checked on guildwiki.
Questions on chat usually drew a lot of "noob" remarks, but someone would always answer truthfully. And so I learned. And I learned to use the chat language because, as it is intended, it is easier to type fast with it. Nothing like typing a two line sentence only to find the person logged out or the message ran out of space.
WTS milius' pillar(ele earth) +15e 10/20all hp+30
takes less time than the following and is completely understandable to anyone interested in buying it.
Selling an elementalist unique staff named Milius's Pillar with the following statistics -adds 15 energy, has a 10% chance of halving casting time of all spells, has a 20% chance of halving recharge time of all spells, adds 30 health points. It has a use requirement of 9 points in earth attribute for maximum modification benefits.
So I asked. I asked on chat. I asked my guildmate. I checked on guildwiki.
Questions on chat usually drew a lot of "noob" remarks, but someone would always answer truthfully. And so I learned. And I learned to use the chat language because, as it is intended, it is easier to type fast with it. Nothing like typing a two line sentence only to find the person logged out or the message ran out of space.
WTS milius' pillar(ele earth) +15e 10/20all hp+30
takes less time than the following and is completely understandable to anyone interested in buying it.
Selling an elementalist unique staff named Milius's Pillar with the following statistics -adds 15 energy, has a 10% chance of halving casting time of all spells, has a 20% chance of halving recharge time of all spells, adds 30 health points. It has a use requirement of 9 points in earth attribute for maximum modification benefits.
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Jijimuge
The context of the acronym can indeed often allow one to determine what it means.
In some cases, however, the use of the acronym introduces additional ambiguity that cannot be removed by an awareness of context.
For example, someone (apparently frustrated) utters "SF is just awful". Are they annoyed because they just got wiped out by a Searing Flames Team? Or are they claiming that Sorrow's Furnace is too hard (or similar gripes about the Furnace)?
Certainly the context of the utterance would supply the meaning in many cases, but not in all e.g. someone is venting a bit on Guild Chat or the like, and that "SF is just awful" is the first message.
Using acronyms does serve a purpose (most obviously, it's fast), but this comes at at a cost - namely that what one says can be made less comprehensible. Certainly some of that lack of clarity can be overcome by experience and an awareness of context. However, the the meaning of an acronym may still be unclear when the context provides no information to allow one to decide which interpretation of an acronym is correct (e.g. the case above).
Maybe, rather than asking others not to use acronyms (which I imagine would be pretty much fruitless anyhow), perhaps there could be some way of directing people to a list of acronyms, such as that maintained on guildwiki?
In some cases, however, the use of the acronym introduces additional ambiguity that cannot be removed by an awareness of context.
For example, someone (apparently frustrated) utters "SF is just awful". Are they annoyed because they just got wiped out by a Searing Flames Team? Or are they claiming that Sorrow's Furnace is too hard (or similar gripes about the Furnace)?
Certainly the context of the utterance would supply the meaning in many cases, but not in all e.g. someone is venting a bit on Guild Chat or the like, and that "SF is just awful" is the first message.
Using acronyms does serve a purpose (most obviously, it's fast), but this comes at at a cost - namely that what one says can be made less comprehensible. Certainly some of that lack of clarity can be overcome by experience and an awareness of context. However, the the meaning of an acronym may still be unclear when the context provides no information to allow one to decide which interpretation of an acronym is correct (e.g. the case above).
Maybe, rather than asking others not to use acronyms (which I imagine would be pretty much fruitless anyhow), perhaps there could be some way of directing people to a list of acronyms, such as that maintained on guildwiki?
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c_ras
I'm going along with everyone else here and saying that you should be intelligent enough to know what people are talking about. If you know the surroundings, what is going on, understand the context of the discussion/sentence of the people you are interacting with, and have a little GW knowledge, then you won't have any problems. Yes...there are acronyms that stand for more than one thing in GW...oh wait....I mean Guild Wars, but its the same as in real life. You won't know what they are referring to unless you either ask or pick up clues. If you are unsure, you should ask. If you have some GW knowledge....use it.
Scenario 1 (Guild Hall)
Person 1: Hey...wanna go do UW?
Person 2: Underworld or Urgoz's Warren?
Person 1: Underworld
Person 2: Yeah sure. Let me change characters and then we can go.
Person 1: Ok
See....by knowing the different meanings it shows you know things in the GW world. Person 2 didn't know if it was Underworld or Urgoz's but by asking using his GW knowledge, he got the answer and now knows. As the GI Joe TV show use to say "And now you know....and knowing is half the battle".
Abandoning acronyms isn't going to happen. If you do that, you might as well start a protest in real life to get rid of the million more acronyms as well.
Scenario 1 (Guild Hall)
Person 1: Hey...wanna go do UW?
Person 2: Underworld or Urgoz's Warren?
Person 1: Underworld
Person 2: Yeah sure. Let me change characters and then we can go.
Person 1: Ok
See....by knowing the different meanings it shows you know things in the GW world. Person 2 didn't know if it was Underworld or Urgoz's but by asking using his GW knowledge, he got the answer and now knows. As the GI Joe TV show use to say "And now you know....and knowing is half the battle".
Abandoning acronyms isn't going to happen. If you do that, you might as well start a protest in real life to get rid of the million more acronyms as well.
The Ernada
There's a limit on what can be acronyms or shortened to abbreviations. When either of those causes more confusion and wastes more time than actually saving typing time then what's the point?
Also, it's not just Guild Wars terminology. Lazy and illiterate people have started putting short phrases into acronyms (I dont know = idk) Pretty soon we'll all talk in sentences with chunks of 3 letter acronyms.
It's no wonder most people I see on the forums can't spell "loser"
Also, it's not just Guild Wars terminology. Lazy and illiterate people have started putting short phrases into acronyms (I dont know = idk) Pretty soon we'll all talk in sentences with chunks of 3 letter acronyms.
It's no wonder most people I see on the forums can't spell "loser"
My Sweet Revenga
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Cmon how hard was that to figure out folks?
(well if you didn't know what it meant, you do now)And I don't think it's all about people manipulating language or whatever to look cool. It's all about laziness, pure and simple.
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Kityn
I have been playing for a year and a half and I still come across some I have never seen before. If you do not know then ask