Hotkey for Monking, best and most effective?

Elthanor

Elthanor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

IL

A/W

I just started doing GvG with my monk, I usaly run a Blight Escape, but I seem to be having some trouble.

I have my main 3 skills(Gift of Health, Blight and reversal) as 1,2 and 3. I usaly keep my figures on them and hit it when I need to. But skills like Mend Condition, and Spirit bond at around 5 and 6, and i cant seem to get to it fast enough. Also sometimes I run Infuse, and im not really use to hiting the right button.

I was wondering if any monk, or anyone has any suggestions. Im pretty sure im not the only one having problem with all the hotkeys and button smashing.

Any tips?

XvArchonvX

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2005

R/

Since they skills are default to the number key above the keyboard I tend to put the most important spells near the front of my skill bar and the least used ones in the back since my hand is naturally near #s 1-3 when I move my character. I tend to find it easiest to put my "zOMG quick use this skill to save their ass* skill in slot 2 since it's the easiest and quickest to hit and put the most conditional stuff at the end (my rez is always in skill slot 8).

Assigning party members to the numberpad on the right is also a good way to give quick access to party members as well, but it takes some getting used to in order to get comfortable with using it.

Poison Ivy

Poison Ivy

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2006

Toronto

Hopping

Mo/A

Blight huh, well here's my setup for Monking.

1.Reversal of Fortune
2.Gift of Health
3.Dismiss Conditions
4.Blessed Light
5.Spirit Bond/Protective Spirit
6.Signet of Devotion

I swaped my 7 for Q and my 8 for E, that way I have a good control over my skillbar.
So ~

Q. Return
E. Dark Escape

When swapping builds, try placing the the same spells in the same slot, that way you won't get them mixed up too much. Good luck.

Trylo

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2006

[Here] | CKOD

E/R

remember you can always hit a skill with the pointer

primitiveworker

primitiveworker

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2005

2x4 skillbar onscreen
1234
5678

skill slots
1234
678
5

mapped to:
1234
qwe
a

s autorun
d cancel

works for me, and it's useful for non-monkery as well.

Rera

Rera

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

My main tip to you is to just practice. It doesn't even matter where. Go play a few hours in RA until you don't even have to think about which buttons to hit.

I think many players (myself included) place too much emphasis on control configuration. The reality is that once you've played with it long enough that it all becomes muscle memory, your exact scheme no longer really matters.

If you have any additional mouse buttons, consider mapping Infuse Health to one of them.

Infuse Health, RoF, and Prot Spirit/Spirit Bond/Shield of Absorption are your 'twitch' skills and need to be assigned to your 'fastest' buttons (typically 2, 3, 4 assuming normal hand positioning on a QWERTY keyboard). Blight, GoH, and Mend/Dismiss usually aren't as time-critical.

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

Play some UT2k4. When you can switch to the exact weapon you want without having to think, and while still moving and dodging and aiming, choosing the right spell in Guild Wars will be easy.

I also advise you to think now where you want each spell on your skill bar, and stick with it. Sometimes when I make a new build I inadvertently move a skill to a different slot, and it really pisses you off when you are low on energy and accidently put an expensive spell on someone who didn't need it. Or when you try to catch a spike but you instead get Signet of Devotion.

Effigy

Effigy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Illinois, US

Heroes of Talia [HoT]

Mo/

Apart from actual key binds, I'd recommend putting skills with similar effects in the same skillslot on every build you make. For instance, put your "spike" heal (WoH, ZB, Infuse, whatever) in the same spot everytime so you don't have to think about which key to press when you're in the heat of the moment. Same goes for hex removal, condition removal, emanagement, etc.

Mr Fizzle

Mr Fizzle

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2005

W/E

Personally I use my key skills around my middle finger and ring finger are so my pinkie hits my 1 key on my left hand when I need it for A reversal or orison or something.Try to figure out where your hand usaully is in a Pvp situation and work from there.

sunoke

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

My alterations to the default key bindings:
qwerasdf: skill slot 56781234 most used skill on 4, 3, 2, self heal on 1, ress on 5
zxcv: left, right, forward, backward
y: auto run
caps lock: target closest
tab: target next

hand positioning:
left on asdf (same position as typing with 10 fingers)
right on mouse.

Elthanor

Elthanor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

IL

A/W

Some very Interesting setups Thanks alot for the advice.

one thing for sure is to keep the skill lineup the same for each build. I general try to do that.

What im doing now which works is have "`"(the one left of 1) be my quick spell, like infuse/Ps/sb/soa. It works well becuase my fingures are always there. only problem is im still use to that being my chat, and sometimes i hit it when i dont need to. :P but im getting alot better.

Any more suggestions and that would rock!

Wilhelm

Wilhelm

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Canada eh

looking for mature, luxon pvx guild

Mo/

Switched the left and right arrows to side step, don't really use the a/d to spin in circles.

left hand on the 1-8 buttons for skills......right hand on the arrow keys, within reach of the numpad for party member assignment.

Amok Affinity

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Aug 2006

[XoO]

E/

ahhh i'm having the same problem. unfortunately years and years of FPS' have me practically *living* WSAD. so changing the movement keys or resting my right hand on the keyboard is a huuuge no >_< i can't seem to think of a convenient way to bind target item/nearest ally/nearest foe/cycle foe, ALONG with hotkeys for teammates 1-8(or 9 >_>) while making skills 5-8 more easily accessible considering my wsad hand does not naturally move much past the far end of the spacebar...

anyone happen to have been in the EXACT same position? >_< ive tried messing with the party window and that has helped but at the expense of my visibility... bah :P what's sacrifice-worthy? i'd hate to cut out all the nifty window shortcuts but it's looking that way.

moriz

moriz

??ber t??k-n??sh'??n

Join Date: Jan 2006

Canada

R/

my setup is pretty wacky as well:
1234 : skills 1 - 4
wrs and TAB : skills 5 - 8
q and e : target previous and next
a and d : strafe
x : move backward
z : cancel action

everything else : mouse

i used to play D2 quite a bit back in the day, so the transition back to click movement was pretty easy.

jesh

jesh

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

San Diego, CA

Penguin Village

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Amok Affinity
ahhh i'm having the same problem. unfortunately years and years of FPS' have me practically *living* WSAD. so changing the movement keys or resting my right hand on the keyboard is a huuuge no >_< i can't seem to think of a convenient way to bind target item/nearest ally/nearest foe/cycle foe, ALONG with hotkeys for teammates 1-8(or 9 >_>) while making skills 5-8 more easily accessible considering my wsad hand does not naturally move much past the far end of the spacebar...

anyone happen to have been in the EXACT same position? >_< ive tried messing with the party window and that has helped but at the expense of my visibility... bah :P what's sacrifice-worthy? i'd hate to cut out all the nifty window shortcuts but it's looking that way. <- harcore fps nut, back in the day
I too exclusively use the WASD controls for movement.. this is what I did.

Space - Nearest Ally
C - Closest enemy (default)
Tab -Default
D and A are set to turn, not strafe.. I hold the right mouse button to strafe in combo with these keys
R - Target Self
T - Autorun (pve lol)
Numbers 1-4 = Skills 1-4
F - Skill #5
E - Skill #6
Q - Skill #7
Shift - Skill #8
Page Down - Supress (for heroes)
` - Cancel
Num 8 - Previous Ally
Num 9 - Next Ally
Num 7 - Party member 1
Num 4 - Party member 4
Num 1 -Party member 8

Shift and F I find using for my most important skills, with 2 and 3 coming close behind. I use the number pad like I do, because it just seems akward to me to have a key for each ally, and try to remember who is who. With 7,4 and 1, you can quickly get close to your ally, and use 8 and 9 to target them. Obviously other people may disagree with me, but that's what I do.
One advantage I find in using WASD for movement, is that your mouse is basically free now. If it feels more natural to you, you can use it to select people in the party window, while simultaniously kiting and whatnot.
Took me a bit to get used to, but everything else just seems so akward now. I also agree with running similar skill orders on all your characters, it helps tons.
Hope this will work out for you FPS junkies.

Utaku

Utaku

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2006

Paris, France

We eat pancakes [Yumy]

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I use a five button mouse, and my 7 and 8 slots are bound to the side buttons of the mouse.
This way I put my most frequently used skills in the first slots, skills that need a good timing on slot number 7 and 8 (spike heals, interrupts as a mesmer, frenzy and cancel stance as a warrior). Slots 5 and 6 are the most difficult to reach, so I put conditionnal or tool skills there.
Thanks to previous posts i'm thinking of binding 5 and 6 spots to Q and E...

Checka

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2005

1,2,3,4,5

6 on r
7 on f
8 on v

munk127

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2006

Yaks Bend

Good Eye Sniper [GeS]

Mo/

I also played FPS for years and what I find that works the best is to

Q-Target Previous
E-Target Next

I still use WASD for movement and hold right click to strafe.

for skills 1-5 I use with my left hand and for 6-8 I place skills used the least often or the ones that require the slowest reactions. I hit 6,7 and 8 with click most of the time or look at the keyboard quickly to hit the key.

It might also help that I'm left handed :P

munk127

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2006

Yaks Bend

Good Eye Sniper [GeS]

Mo/

double post

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

You might want to read this thread as well as it has been posted before.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s... nk+Interface

Clinically Proven

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Australia

[MMAD]

Another alternative is to go out a buy a separate key pad and map everything where you want it.

Personally, I bought a Nostromo n32 which handles all my skills and hot kets and I use a mouse to move and select. My nostromo is mapped just that all 8 are in a pattern:
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8
Around that I have mapped: Alt, control, tab, c, x, space, esc

I also have wasd mapped to the nostromo's shift 1 position with the same alt, control.. setup.

It's pretty much perfect for any class and I never have to move my hand.

l Batman l

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Here are some general tips

- You can bind buttons to your mouse side buttons if you have the right type of mouse
- Change all the keys that don't need to be used to PVP to other spots on the keyboard (For instance change your "G" from opening the guild menu to "Follow Target")
- Experiment with your interface also, sometimes it is just easier to use your mouse in certain situations

Ann_S_Thesia

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2006

LoR

Mo/

[For the FPS people wrt motion/strafing,] consider using Right mouse button for mouselook (default) and switch A/D to their respective strafes. Who needs to slowly turn anyway?

Group stuff you manually click or reference often together on the interface and keep your mouse there, e.g., radar, skill bar, party list, hero bars.

Tab/shift+tab is pretty standard to cycle through enemies and not too tough to use.

I didn't see any tips for weapon-swapping...even a good typist might need to look down at the keyboard for f1-f4 (plus it's a long reach). Any suggestions?

Effigy

Effigy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Illinois, US

Heroes of Talia [HoT]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ann S Thesia
[For the FPS people wrt motion/strafing,] consider using Right mouse button for mouselook (default) and switch A/D to their respective strafes. Who needs to slowly turn anyway? I've considered that as well, but then you aren't able kite very well while using your mouse for other things besides mouselook. For instance, if I'm trying to click the party window or cancel Holy Veil while kiting a warrior, I'd be stuck looking straight ahead the whole time. For this reason, I use the standard WASDQE setup and it works well enough for me.

jesh

jesh

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

San Diego, CA

Penguin Village

Mo/

Effigy, how do you kite a warrior and manage to look behind yourself at the same time? Click on a location and swivel the camera around? *confused*

Burst Cancel

Burst Cancel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2006

Domain of Broken Game Mechanics

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ann_S_Thesia
I didn't see any tips for weapon-swapping...even a good typist might need to look down at the keyboard for f1-f4 (plus it's a long reach). Any suggestions? I use F1-F4 for weapon swapping. If you practice swap-cast-swap, it eventually becomes natural.

I use my mouse for movement and camera only. I've found that keyboard selection for party members and skills is faster than mouse selection.

Nickhimself

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Your face

True Gods Of War [True]

W/Mo



Condition Removal: 6
Hex Removal: 7
Generic Res: 8

Effigy

Effigy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Illinois, US

Heroes of Talia [HoT]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by jesh
Effigy, how do you kite a warrior and manage to look behind yourself at the same time? Click on a location and swivel the camera around? *confused* I'm not a fan of using the mouse for movement. I use keyboard for movement/strafing and skills, and I use mouse for targetting.

My having keys for turning as well as strafing, I can do both while using the mouse for targetting.

Ann_S_Thesia

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Nov 2006

LoR

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Effigy
I'm not a fan of using the mouse for movement. I use keyboard for movement/strafing and skills, and I use mouse for targetting.

My having keys for turning as well as strafing, I can do both while using the mouse for targetting. I think I see..so you're basically circle-strafing which leaves the mouse free. Is that slower than running forward though?



Burst: the thing I don't like about f1-f4 is that I have to take my hand off the movement keys (I can't stand moving with the mouse). That leaves you exposed because not only are you stationary but also you may be switching out of your higher armor set at the same time. I'm just not a big fan of moving my hand away from the home row I guess...

RedAlert

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2006

Mo/

Heres the setup i came up with. I thought it might help. Constructive criticisms are welcome.
For starters, Im a leftie and I went for a mouse free setup after a long absence from gw.
I didnt feel comfortable with it but im slowly getting used to
FYI Im using a French keyboard
Party members hotkeys and skills hks are all mapped onto a 4 by 4 square.
First two rows on the left are party mates
1 2 " '
3 4 e r
5 6 d f
7 8 c v
My skills hks are lined up similarly on the last two rows. My skill bar is tweaked accordingly in UI (2 x 4 )
1 2 ( -
3 4 t y
5 6 f g
7 8 v b

1. ring finger selects party mate and middle finger/index skill used
2. most important skills are lined up on the third row fom the left or on the middle 2 X 2 square (utility spells are on the top and bottom lines)
3. often skills go by pairs (cover enchants, spike heals). You only need to press the next key in that setup
4. You can line up your heals in decreasing order of efficiency.

First row on the left of your 4 x 4 has hotkeys to shuffle between members. (target previous next..)
I used arrows for movement. I havent thought up something for camera angle yet (still using mouse)

The only gripe I have against UI is that the party window (I like to keep mine relatively unobstrusive) cannot be set vertically (or can it?). I'm more eye sensitive to a depleting vertical gauge than a horizontal one..

Sakki

Sakki

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2005

Australia

R/

e for skill#7
q for skill#6
x for skill#8

f = target self
r = weapon switch
keypad+ = autorun

skills 1-5 are defaults

Certainly not the best setup out there but I'm used to it, I tend to put those emergency skills like infuse, ZB or prot spirit on e,q and x. Other skills etc.. reversal, gift, on numbers 1-4. Rez at number 5.

Effigy

Effigy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Illinois, US

Heroes of Talia [HoT]

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ann_S_Thesia
I think I see..so you're basically circle-strafing which leaves the mouse free. Is that slower than running forward though?



Burst: the thing I don't like about f1-f4 is that I have to take my hand off the movement keys (I can't stand moving with the mouse). That leaves you exposed because not only are you stationary but also you may be switching out of your higher armor set at the same time. I'm just not a big fan of moving my hand away from the home row I guess... Circle strafing is nice, as well as zig-zag strafing.

I'm sure it sounds wierd to most people, but I have my skill and weapon set binds tiered by frequency of use. 1-4 are my most used skills; 5-6 are my basic and negative energy sets. F1-F4 are my less used skills and F5-F6 are my high energy and wanding set. I like this setup better than 1-8 and F1-F4, since my most used keys are all close and even for the less used I don't need to move my hand back and forth on the keyboard, just extend a finger now and then.

I do use mouselook quite a bit since it's much faster, but I like having those QE strafing keys for tight situations.

Age

Age

Hall Hero

Join Date: Jul 2005

California Canada/BC

STG Administrator

Mo/

I always use mouse for movement in close quaters as I find it better.

JR

JR

Re:tired

Join Date: Nov 2005

W/

Depending on builds:

Q: Main anti-spike skills. (Infuse/Protective Spirit/Spirit Bond)
E: Quick heals. (Reversal of Fortune/Glimmer of Light)
F: Secondary heals/alternative prot. (Shield of Absorption/Gift of Health)
R: Backup heals/condition removal. (Dismiss Condition/Restore Condition/Orison of Healing)

Tab: Target Next
Mouse side button: Target Previous
WASD: Standard
L Shift: Ventrilo
1/2/3/4: Weapon Sets