base highest dps attribute + weapon, no skills

dr love

...is in denial

Join Date: Sep 2006

Hyperion

starcraft 2

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04 Dec 2006 at 23:43 - 1

So I tried doing some searches, but i couldn't figure out the answer.
I have 2 questions:
which weapon gives the highest average dps alone?
i.e. its a req 9 weapon and you have 9 in that attribute
sword
axe
hammer
daggers
bows x4
scythe
spear

Also, more importantly, what weapon plus attribute combination gives the highest average dps without skill usage.

i.e. pretty much a warrior vs. sin dmg output question
strength 16
any wep 12-16

critical strikes 16
any wep 12-16

or if you have any other interesting tidbits about weapon dmg post em here, but i don't want to hear anything about skills.

Hand of Ruin

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Join Date: Jul 2006

04 Dec 2006 at 23:49 - 2

Well for warrior weapons alone, I know axe has the highest DPS.

Daggers and Scythes are unique, because daggers can double-strike and scythes hit 3 targets... so obviously if you factor this in then scythe is the highest, and against a single target dagger is probably the highest with double-strike.

dr love

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Hyperion

starcraft 2

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04 Dec 2006 at 23:58 - 3

ooh this is true. I was thinking mostly single target.
thanks for post

Captain Arne Is PRO

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05 Dec 2006 at 00:14 - 4

@Dbugler: You can only have one Attribute @ level 16 per class.

@Hand of Ruin: Hammer has a higher DPS than Axe.

@Topic: 16 Hammer/15 Strength has the highest DPS of all weapons.

LightningHell

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Mo/

05 Dec 2006 at 00:22 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Arne Is PRO

@Dbugler: You can only have one Attribute @ level 16 per class.

@Hand of Ruin: Hammer has a higher DPS than Axe.

@Topic: 16 Hammer/15 Strength has the highest DPS of all weapons. 15 Strength does nothing to the topic posted.

Captain Arne Is PRO

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05 Dec 2006 at 00:25 - 6

Either way Hammer has the highest DPS, or so I recall from the thread 'Why Nuking Sucks.'

LightningHell

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Mo/

05 Dec 2006 at 00:43 - 7

Yes, Hammer does have highest DPS.

Strength only adds armor penetration to skills.

martialis

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05 Dec 2006 at 02:53 - 8

1)Hammer
2)Scythe
3)I'm going to go with...scythe, but it might be daggers (pretty sure it's scythe, though)

Go Dervish!

Captain Arne Is PRO

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05 Dec 2006 at 04:29 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightningHell

Yes, Hammer does have highest DPS.

Strength only adds armor penetration to skills.
What do you suppose would do more damage then, 16 Hammer or 16 Critical Strikes + 12 Hammer?

dr love

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Hyperion

starcraft 2

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05 Dec 2006 at 04:31 - 10

o ok. thanks for the input people!
i'm going to go play with hammers for a bit.
SMASH! BANG! KO!

ubermancer

Jungle Guide

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05 Dec 2006 at 06:35 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Arne Is PRO

What do you suppose would do more damage then, 16 Hammer or 16 Critical Strikes + 12 Hammer? You mean 16 Hammer and 13 Strength vs 16 Crit and 12 Hammer?

... 16 Hammer ftw?

Its raw dps is amazing, it offers KD's, AND it can spike like a monster. Question answered.

Effigy

Jungle Guide

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Mo/

05 Dec 2006 at 12:55 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Arne Is PRO

What do you suppose would do more damage then, 16 Hammer or 16 Critical Strikes + 12 Hammer? The answer: Any assassin running 16 Crit and 12 Hammer is begging to be crushed like a bug. At least a warrior can wear a sup rune and still have some staying power.

If you're interested in survival, I'd suggest 14 Hammer 9-11 Strength (depending on build). Normally, 9 Strength is enough to give you a decent length on Sprint/Rush. I'd only take it higher for attack skills like Prot Strike or Bull's Strike.

Spura

Wilds Pathfinder

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07 Dec 2006 at 16:05 - 13

Scythe 16 has the highest base DPS of all weapon 16, more so if it hits several enemies.

Carmine

Academy Page

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Flaming Turtles

08 Dec 2006 at 09:48 - 14

Hammer hits average 27 damage every 1.75 seconds; scythe hits average 25 damage every 1.75 seconds. Critical hits do about sqrt(2)*max damage, so the difference in damage by critical hits is about sqrt(2)*(41-35), which is approximately 8. This is to say that you'd have to make critical hits 25% of the time for scythe and hammer to strike even. Observation puts the percentage at around 22%, so scythe and hammer are pretty even for DPS on a single target.

Spura

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2005

08 Dec 2006 at 18:38 - 15

My numbers are:
# Scythe: att 16
14-63.59

Average Attack Damage: 49.02
Average DPM: 1680,6

# Hammer: att 16
29,47-54,27

Average Attack Damage: 48.85
Average DPM: 1674,6

Etrik

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Mo/

08 Dec 2006 at 22:59 - 16

Scythes win, even if you don't take into account the fact that they hit up to 2 adjacent targets - and that if the scythe [attack] crits, all 1-3 numbers will be crits. Go dervs!

Bloodied Blade

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Join Date: Jan 2006

08 Dec 2006 at 23:21 - 17

If you're assuming that you're attacking only 1 target, I would have to say 16 Marksmanship and Shortbow. Scythes win out if they're attacking more than 1 guy at a time.

Savio

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Fifteen Over Fifty [Rare]

09 Dec 2006 at 01:22 - 18

Shortbows have a DPM of about 1,225. Scythes have a DPM of 1,780 on a single target. (Spura underestimates damage a bit, but eh.) However, comparing weapons without skills doesn't reflect any realistic scenario.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etrik

and that if the scythe [attack] crits, all 1-3 numbers will be crits. Wrong, all of the hits are calculated separately.

Etrik

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Mo/

09 Dec 2006 at 05:49 - 19

Wrong. Yesterday I was trying out a D/P build with 6 command and GFTE (+48% crit chance on next hit) and used mystic/reaper's. They *always* all hit for the same number when they were crits. If you want, I can prove it.

Savio

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09 Dec 2006 at 11:09 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etrik

If you want, I can prove it. Prove it without using a skill.

beltran13579

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Mo/E

09 Dec 2006 at 14:23 - 21

id say a shortbow because it has fast fire rate and lots of damage