Excess Skill Points

rubics

rubics

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Would it imbalance the game to allow people to redeem extra skill points for gold or skills? My idea is to allow people to trade 2 skill points for a skill (without having to pony up a platinum). Alternative, perhaps they could be sold for 100 gold, or used like battle commendations. As is, I find myself approaching the 100 skill point mark with my primary character without any real use for them (since I'm not interested in the skill hunter title).

Priest Of Sin

Priest Of Sin

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Dec 2005

Sitting upon Kerrigan's Throne.

Live For The Swarm [ZERG]

Me/N

100 gold per skillpoint.
10 skillpoints= 1 platinum
100 skillpoints= 10 platinum
1000 skillpoints= 100 platinum
10000 skillpoints= 1000 platinum

I dunno about you, but that would be the easiest hundred plat i've ever made

/notsigned, keep them for future skills.

FelixCarter

FelixCarter

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2006

Mo/Me

106 Skill Points and no need to use them. I think we should be able to trade them in for Faction, personally. But then you'll have everyone on this forum going "is too umbalanced nub /NOTSIGNEDBECAUSEGODMADEMEUGLY".

Hey... If A.Net is gonna make PvE like PvP, then the two should be interchangeable somewhere.

Angel Netherborn

Angel Netherborn

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Lower Ward, Sigil

Goda Vos

trade skill points for gold? /unsigned

trade multiple skill points for skill? /signed

4ssassin

4ssassin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

none

W/E

/signed on trading 2 skill points for 1 skill. imho, if the game is about skill over time, why do skills cost 1k anyways? go figure...

bam23

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2006

I have 112 skill points at the moment, and nothing to do with them (I don't have nightfall).

Something to do with them would be cool.

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin
100 gold per skillpoint.
10 skillpoints= 1 platinum
100 skillpoints= 10 platinum
1000 skillpoints= 100 platinum
10000 skillpoints= 1000 platinum

I dunno about you, but that would be the easiest hundred plat i've ever made

/notsigned, keep them for future skills.

...easiest??? You actually have 10,000 skill points? I think anyone who has the time to accumulate that amount would deserve 1k platinum. The amount of time it takes to get 1 skill point takes about 10 minutes if you're farming hardcore. 100,000 minutes of gameplay? Good luck to you.

4ssassin

4ssassin

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

none

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Terra Xin
...easiest??? You actually have 10,000 skill points? I think anyone who has the time to accumulate that amount would deserve 1k platinum. The amount of time it takes to get 1 skill point takes about 10 minutes if you're farming hardcore. 100,000 minutes of gameplay? Good luck to you.
and the math shows..he has 1,000 skill points, not 10,000. still vaild tho

HKSdivision

HKSdivision

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

I have 193 skill points and I'm not interested in the skill hunter title either.

/signed for trading 2 skill points for 1 skill

Terra Xin

Terra Xin

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2006

New Zealand

Me/R

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4ssassin
and the math shows..he has 1,000 skill points, not 10,000. still vaild tho
Quote:
Originally Posted by Priest of Sin
10000 skillpoints= 1000 platinum
My ability to quote eats your silly math :P

Quote:
Originally Posted by 4ssassin
/signed on trading 2 skill points for 1 skill. imho, if the game is about skill over time, why do skills cost 1k anyways? go figure...
durrr.... getting two skill points takes longer to accumulate than gathering 1 skill point while simultaneously gathering 1 platinum... (this is fun)

Perynne

Perynne

Site Contributor

Join Date: Oct 2006

Finland

Runners of the Rose [RR]

R/

/notsigned for trading skill points for gold

/signed for trading more skill points for skills or faction

Imho, skill points are meant to be used for skills, not for hoarding money.

Emik

Emik

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Nov 2005

Belgium

[FaRM] Farm For The Win

N/

I agree...

I've earned around 500 skillspoints now.
I'll be needing alot to complte my skill hunter title but after that i'm all out of ideas...

/signed for multiple skillpoints fior a skill.
/notsigned for money. (the game is goldgrinding enuff as it is)

ValidusMonachus

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2006

Birmingham, England

Build Wars [gg]

Me/

Perhaps introduce trading in 1 skill point for 500 Balthazar faction?

rubics

rubics

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: May 2005

Yeah I thought gold was kinda problematic b/c of the possibility of disrupting the game economy. . . but it'd really be nice to trade them for skills (which was the point of money in the first place. heh).

Aegeroth

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2006

Sydney, AUS.

Sons of Dark Magicians [SoDM]

N/Me

/signed on 2 for 1.

Carth`

Carth`

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

/notsigned

How exactly do the skill points bother you? If you don't want to use them, ignore them. If you want to buy a skill or cap an elite, use your skill points.

I can't understand this, a month ago there were dozens of people complaining skill points were too hard to get and they want to be able to buy skills without them. Now there are people moaning "ohhh nooo I've got too many skill points nooo" and they want to convert them into money or faction or some other game commodity that isn't skills. Make your minds up.

hubin_at

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2006

/signed on 2 for 1.

If that sound too cheap,
3 for 1,
4 for 1,
5 for 1 would still be fine with me.

Ferret

Ferret

Elite Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005

England

Ferrets Unity of Rogues (FUR)

R/Mo

/signed trading skill points for skills with paying the gold on top.

given the cost at 1k each, prolly 4 for 1 would be more reasonable. Even though i say this, it wont do me much good right now anyway. I have all three chapters, i have purchased every ranger skill for my ranger and still have over 160 skill points. I'd have to wait for the next chapter for this to do any good for me there, but at least the points would be useful for something them.

Other than that, yeah, maybe trade for Faction (of your choice, 1 skill point for 100 Faction).

Ferret

Twonaiver

Twonaiver

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

S??o Paulo Brasil

R/

i like both ideas
id love to trade my 500 skill points for like 50k lol
/signed
and i would still be happy tradin my points for skill without the 1k tax
/signed

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

/semi-signed for 2 skill points for 1 skill

The only problem with this is that it would kick you in the face eventually IMO... the skill points will be eaten up too fast.

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Pittsburgh

The only time I don't run out of skill points is when I run out of gold first.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Nov 2006

Ageis Ascending

W/

/notsigned

This would give an advantage to people that have been playing longer and have ammassed a large number of skill points. This is of no use to new players who have to aquire a large number of skill points just to purchase there primary skills.

As it stands now the time needed to earn 1 skill points is at least equal if not longer than earning 1k. So if you wish to use your skill points then dont spend all your cash on 15k armor and such.

Saphrium

Saphrium

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2006

Granite Citadel

Post Searing Ascalonian Merchants

N/Me

/signed for multiple skills points for 1 skill.

avid Woe player, too many extra skill points need to spend

Heavens Feel

Heavens Feel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2006

/signed

Thomas.knbk

Thomas.knbk

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by ValidusMonachus
Perhaps introduce trading in 1 skill point for 500 Balthazar faction?
Not signed on this one. Right now the amount of Balthazar Faction a player has is the best, if not the only good way to determine one's PvP experience. Not for nothing do you see so many guilds recruit with 300K faction as a requirement. This would make it too easy for Johnny Wammo to achieve that. (and yes, Johnny Wammo achieving this would be a bad thing)

Drewfense

Drewfense

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2006

Team Quitter [QQ]

Mo/Me

Although I wouldn't judge someone by balthazar faction alone...it is a moderate indicator and you really already have that connection between pve and pvp. Whenever you buy/earn a skill, you unlock it, moving yourself towards UAX. Giving you faction to then spend on skills would accomplish the same goal, except it would make you falsely appear that you pvp.

Heavens Feel

Heavens Feel

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Dec 2006

signed

LiQuId StEeL

LiQuId StEeL

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2005

/u/liquidsteel30

Ego Trip From Rank [ZERO]

W/Mo

I'd rather trade money for skill points than the other way around.

/notsigned

Pyro maniac

Pyro maniac

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

/notsigned points for money
/notsigned multiple points for skill
/notsigned points for faction

my suggestion would be whenever you just want to unlock a skill, you just pay 1 skill point. Same idea as skill for faction, however now you can't obtain elites with is. Just skills you could equip ingame.

Evilsod

Evilsod

Banned

Join Date: Mar 2006

England

Lievs Death Squad [LDS]

Trade skill points for money?

Are you trying to give solo farmers even more reason to carry on? Why in gods name would Anet go so far to stop botters and abusive solo farming to turn around and give away gold for skill points. Seriously at least think of something that may have a chance in hell of been implemented.

Well i guess you did. Trading multiple skill points for a skill wouldn't be bad. But thats way too easy to get a UAS and still encourages solo farming for exp since any gold you get would be a nice byproduct.

But semi-signed for multiple skill points = a free skill, just more than 2 per skill. Make it 5.

Thomas.knbk

Thomas.knbk

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jul 2006

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewfense
Although I wouldn't judge someone by balthazar faction alone...it is a moderate indicator and you really already have that connection between pve and pvp. Whenever you buy/earn a skill, you unlock it, moving yourself towards UAX. Giving you faction to then spend on skills would accomplish the same goal, except it would make you falsely appear that you pvp.
Let me rephrase:
Achieving the best indicator of one's PvP experience we currently have through PvE would be a bad thing

freekedoutfish

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2006

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by rubics
Would it imbalance the game to allow people to redeem extra skill points for gold or skills? My idea is to allow people to trade 2 skill points for a skill (without having to pony up a platinum). Alternative, perhaps they could be sold for 100 gold, or used like battle commendations. As is, I find myself approaching the 100 skill point mark with my primary character without any real use for them (since I'm not interested in the skill hunter title).
On average you have 100 skill points by the end of a campaign.

Lets say you dont need them, you would be giving people an instant supply of 10k if you sold them for 100 each.

The economy would go insain and prices would shoot up to moronic prices.

Sorry to be rude, but again this is a daft idea about putting more gold into the economy. Something we DONT need.

Plus I can assure you, there will come a point when you need those skill points. Whether it be for future campaigns, a full set of skills and elite skills for your profession, or some other use. Then youl be complaining you havent got enough.

As for using them like trade commendations.

We already have countless objects which we use like that throughout factions and elona.

I dont think we need another one to add to it. Plus what would you trade them for?

If we do anything with skill points, we need to be able to transfer them between characters or combine them accross characters as a grand totle, incase others run out.

Other then that, I dont see anything wrong with having excess skill points. I remember a time when I ran out and I had to wait till nightfall was released to get a chance to get more.

Kaida the Heartless

Kaida the Heartless

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2006

N/

/signed due to recent nerf of effective farming.

hey, i like my shiny armors, okay?

RodyPA

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2006

Life With The Thrill Kill Kult [Kult]

R/

I could see using multiple skill points alone to get skills. However, I think it's a bad idea to allow users to get money, faction or anything else for it. It would give a second money source from farming, but worse yet, it would encourage people to get quick cash rather than broadening their skill set. So, a player could get seven skills for their bar and then just start getting cash for everything else.

Or if you use the faction method, they'll set up a farm character and unlock everything for PvP.

And then complain that they never have enough skill points free.

desolation0

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2006

Pennsylvania

The Teutonic Warriors [TW]

Me/

X Balthazar Faction = 1 Skillpoint on a two-way street
(probably equate the time to achieve each)

Balthazar faction unlocked this way would not be counted toward the total Balthazar faction Earned by the account, which would be reserved to PvP battles . Meanwhile it provides a way of transferring skillpoints between two PvE characters. Also this would allow unlocking skills and other items at the Priest of Balthazar for non-PvP players, which could then be unlocked for PvE at skill trainers for non-elite skills.

The problem would be keeping people from farming lvl 1-20 new characters on easy missions (some of the easiest/quickest skillpoints) to unlock everything at the Priest of Balthazar and give skills to all their characters. This problem would also be readily apparent in the money for skillpoints.

I would be interested in any ideas similar to this, perhaps the simplest solution for me (5x more skillpoints than open Cash, but do want all skills unlocked) would be to reduce the maximum price of using the skill trainers.

nightwatchman

nightwatchman

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Apr 2006

W/

/signed for both

money: 100g is nothing compared to the drops you'd typically get while levelling so I don't think this would imbalance at all.

multiple-skill-points: I like the option of putting more points in instead of cash because the cash can be a real money sink. I worked it out that I'd spent over 430k on skills for my warrior

Kai Nui

Kai Nui

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2005

Behind you with a knife

Celebrity Gangsters [FamE]

Me/

If you don't want to spend skill points on skills, then don't. They're not money points.

/notsigned for cashing in for money, multiple for skills, or faction.

vaxmor

vaxmor

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Dec 2005

Ascalon

R/

double bonus for 55iron monks! great! not only do 55iron monks get the drops/etc but now their xs skillpoints get them moneyz too, yay!

Hell Marauder

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by vaxmor
double bonus for 55iron monks! great! not only do 55iron monks get the drops/etc but now their xs skillpoints get them moneyz too, yay!
So?? Bill Gates make billions, but does that stop you from buying Windows-based softwares ?? Now we have skills points that are accumulating and not used for anything. They have to be traded for "something". Either money or factions sound good to me, as neither of which can break the game's balance. So...
/signed