Menzies, the Lord of Destruction

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Menzies is the Lord of Destruction; a malicious dark entity opposing Balthazar and bent on taking control of the Fissure of Woe. He employs an army of darkness called the Shadow Army. In an ironic twist inspired by Greek Mythology, he is also Balthazar's half-brother. It is unclear if Menzies is himself a full-fledged god or some lesser entity.

It is revealed late in the game that both Menzies and Dhuum are aiding Abaddon, as all three share a common hatred of the five gods. Menzies has given many of his minions to Abaddon's cause.


Is there a chance that Chapter 4's plot could involve Menzies trying to overthrow Balthazar's throne?

Yes.

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It's possible, but, I think, unlikely. As I understand it, that's already the storyline behind the Fissure of Woe.

plus it woudl make the whole storyline based on Gods trying to overthrow gods which is what all 3 games have been on so far, time for a change i think

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The first 3 chapters were all about Abaddon trying to overthrow the 5 True Gods. It would be very un-creative to do the same thing with just a diffrent "evil" god.

too many plots still left unfinished, gwen is the mastermind behind all evil! And we must defeat her to save Tyria.. again.

No. Stop making stupid "I think chapter 4 will be" and "gwen is the spawn of satin" topics.

Honestly I doubt it. Besides the fact that we have FoW, theres no real reason why mortals would focus on the afairs of the God's so much to make it a whole chapter storyline.

Someone in is a good mood. Just to piss you off. I think chapter 4 will about Gwen as the new lich

No. Stop making stupid "I hate new ideas and people talking" and "I hate life so I am going to use Blood is Power" posts.

>_>
Why share ideas when it will come out soon enough and tell you. ALSO, stick to 1 topic, there are about 5 or more topics in the Lore Forum for this. That isn't lore. And haha to Qual =P.

Well both Menzies and Dhuum never actually showed their face in Nightfall; again they were in the background trying to keep their agenda to what they were planning to overthrow the 5 gods. I think they knew Abbadon was going to probably fail and they withdrew themselves from the realm of torment. We have to think that story must up it self in some ways.

So I was thinking that if both gods are working together, they will have to show up eventually in the storyline. What would even better, is if one of them “stabs the other in the back,” and ends up helping the heroes in return for his own revenge. I have a feeling that there are other fallen gods of the past who want to have their mantle back by being off set by these other gods. Once the other Realms are open to the other gods Melandru, Dwayna, and Lyssa; we will probably see a chapter that deals with all these fallen gods trying to kill the heroes and their gods all together. I would love to see a type of mechanical god who creates evil biological machinery.

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If you think about it would up the idea of guild wars taking it where either help the fallen gods, 5 gods, or destroy them all.

They do show up in the storyline. Just only in FoW/UW.

My suspicion is that Menzies and Dhuum essentially aren't enough of a threat on their own. What it looks like is that while they have power in the Mists, unlike Abaddon and the Five Gods, they have no means to directly influence the world.

Dhuum, for instance, is known to be a spent force. It looks to me as if [SPOILER] the story of Dhuum and Grenth is similar to the story of Abaddon and Kormir - Dhuum was causing trouble, so in the end, Grenth came along and took his power from him. Unlike what is presumed to be the case with Abaddon, however, there is enough of Dhuum left to cause trouble - but that trouble is small enough that the gods only accept help from heroes who pay for the privilige... (One possible explanation for what happened here is that when Abaddon was chained, the Gods didn't have an entity they trusted enough to assume his power, so they kept him confined until Kormir came along - without his power being assumed, his destruction would only lead to him reforming, or perhaps something worse happening with the released power. In Dhuum's case, they had Grenth to take the position, whatever Grenth was beforehand. Who knows, perhaps some time we'll see some vestige of Abaddon's personality rise again )[/SPOILER]

Menzies is less clearly a spent force, as I don't believe there is any indication that he has been defeated by Balthazar like Grenth defeated Dhuum... but it probably means something that, unless he's the Great Destroyer of the dwarves (and hey, it could be that the Great Dwarf is an aspect of Balthazar, you never know), there aren't any references to him outside the Mists and the god realms. It could be that, like Abaddon, all references to him have been deliberately destroyed, but my interpretation is simply that he hasn't caused any trouble in the mortal world, at least not in recorded history. My interepretation of Menzies is that he essentially exists so that the war god has someone to fight.

Essentially, the gist I'm getting to is that, unlike, Abaddon, Dhuum and Menzies simply aren't enough of a threat for the Gods to be concerned. They cause a little trouble for Grenth and Balthazar in their own realms, but if they ever threatened to overthrow their counterparts, the other three would probably rally and squish'em. Abaddon, however, did present a threat, so when it looked like Abaddon was going to break loose, they did what they could to help, presumably hoping that if Abaddon defeated the Five then they'd be able to take places in the new pantheon led by Abaddon.

I love satin, it feels so good against the skin.

That made me lol irl. *Hands over award*

Menzies Soldiers and Dhuum's *creatures* what ever they are, DO show in nightfall.. In the Realm of Torment. Dhuum in Gate of Pain and Menzies all over the Realm.

~Monk of Droknar

*If Soldiers are there? The Leaders cant be far?*

on topic.

If it should, theres gonna be this nameless NPC off the dge of the map, who every 4 hours says "menzies vs. bathlazar for throne, this game is about."

otherwise we'll mind our own buisness and ignore the nameless guy.

Edit: he is Yoda.

Well, now we know what material Gwen's parents' bedsheets were made of...

Yes, but the Realm of Torment is in the Mists, not on the mortal world. Every time demons have shown up in the mortal world (Nightfall and the Dragon Festival*), they've been Abaddon's servants. [SPOILER] The only time creatures of Dhuum or Menzies showed up in the mortal realm was in Nightfallen Seborhin, which is clearly a special case. [/SPOILER] The conclusion is that Abaddon may be the only one of the three that is able to project significant power into Tyria.

*Although I didn't do the actual missions there, just the quests. If there were some Dhuumites or Menzians - Terrorwebs, for instance - that would be an example of one of them having at least some direct influence, even if Abaddon was taking the lead.

Where in the UW & FoW do they actually appear? I have yet to actually see them in either. There are a few quests leading to destroying their influence in FoW & UW, but Menzies and Dhuum do not actually show themselves in person. You don’t destroy them; you just take out their henchmen. If you want to prove me wrong otherwise show me a screenshot of the 2. All I have seen is their influence, never the actual beings.

I think both of them do have powers still, but your right verily mild. However considering all these demons within the game and that the mists could be endless; they’re could be more of a formal celestial body who wishes to get back all that originally belonged to them.

Gwen is the spawn of satin...one time when i was a noob...i payed 100g for gwens cape.....i later found it on a beach....but it was a "torn cape" ...she ripped it....and got further in the story line!

well...if menzies is balthazars half brother surely they have a mum and dad? which indicates there are greater powers than the gods....maybe something like Lord AO in dungeons and dragons (like a greater cosmic power).

also the fact that grenth doesnt seem to have been born a god (or was a lesser one), since he had to steal power from Dhuum. (or whatever hes called)

Satin feels good against my skin.

That's what I meant by 'showing up' - through their minions, and mentions of their names. Apart from FoW/UW and near the end of Nightfall, though, there isn't any mention of them at all.

As you said, they haven't shown up in person - and I don't think they ever will. Certainly, I doubt they'll ever be permanently defeated, because that would make FoW and/or UW obsolete, while they seem to be intended to be essentially timeless.