i play gw since the first day release. I don't remember how many times i was sleeping when i was playing Prophecy/Faction(only in the horrible City). For Nf, its ok for PvE and there are alot of thing improve in Nf but after i beat the game what can i do beside solo farming or capping group farming?
Why Anet forces us to farm to make money? and why doesn't Anet force us to play pve to make money?
Why i don't like those farming? because i want to ask something:
-Who don't like to play PvE without capping group?
-Who don't like to play PvE without playing alone or with those henchmen?
-Who don't like to play PvE and make money at the same time?
-Who don't like to play PvE with their favorite Profession?
-Who don't like to play PvE with their own build?
How does it work? just take a look at Aspenwood/AB. I love Anet at this point when they force us to play to get Faction points. I love Aspenwood because it was the only place that my assassin she can enjoy her PvE after beated the game.
(Sorry if i have a bad English)
Why Anet forces us to farm to make money? (Not a Whining)
Siva arwen
Tachyon
Sorry, but nobody has forced me to do anything!
Throttle
They don't force you to farm. If you want the best of everything, yes, you have to work hard for it. That's not required though, except maybe for a few areas that are, coincidentally, designed for the best of the best. You can easily make enough money to get by just from playing through the game, and no you won't have the best items with perfect mods everywhere but you will not be unable to beat the game. I think it's fair that if you want something exceptional, it takes time and work (aka farming). It wouldn't be very special otherwise.
Of all MMORPGs I've played, GW is the one that requires the least farming/grinding to reach maximum goals. Ever tried to get the highest PvP rank in WoW?
Of all MMORPGs I've played, GW is the one that requires the least farming/grinding to reach maximum goals. Ever tried to get the highest PvP rank in WoW?
VGJustice
I think I can see where you're coming from on this one. To be honest, I normally make plenty of gold just playing, not even caring about who's in my group. And I normally play with a Ranger/Warrior holding a Sword instead of a Bow.
The only time you would have to really farm for gold is if you want something very specific. Some of the items in game are horribly expensive for no good reason. They are not needed from what I've seen, but that does not mean we do not want them.
The only time you would have to really farm for gold is if you want something very specific. Some of the items in game are horribly expensive for no good reason. They are not needed from what I've seen, but that does not mean we do not want them.
KANE OG
I wasn't forced to read this thread either...... my bad.
Tommy
you dont have to farm
if you play tho the game you should have enough money for basic max armor and collector's itmes with good mods
if you play tho the game you should have enough money for basic max armor and collector's itmes with good mods
The Ernada
GW actually does a pretty decent job in making it so that you don't have to farm to enjoy and play the game. Things like the inscription system, collectors items, weapon crafters are there to minimize the farming you need to do in order to get a decent max weapon/item.
So no, I don't think they force us to farm at all. Unless you're one of those who thinks having FoW armor and wielding a crystalline sword is an absolute necessity.
So no, I don't think they force us to farm at all. Unless you're one of those who thinks having FoW armor and wielding a crystalline sword is an absolute necessity.
Caleb
The only thing I wish they would change is the cost of using your skill points. Farming for 200k to buy 200 skills isn't realistic for a lot of players.
Kijik Oni Hanryuu
I think that it would be nice if they raised the quest rewards from just a couple hundred gold to a 1k or two yah know but eh.. and farming isn't necessary but it is for extraneous things... Personally I just would like it if they gave us more gold for quest and mission completions... but that's just IMO..
Siva arwen
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Originally Posted by The Ernada
GW actually does a pretty decent job in making it so that you don't have to farm to enjoy and play the game. Things like the inscription system, collectors items, weapon crafters are there to minimize the farming you need to do in order to get a decent max weapon/item.
So no, I don't think they force us to farm at all. Unless you're one of those who thinks having FoW armor and wielding a crystalline sword is an absolute necessity. i actually do enjoy the game without farming, and i have enough money to buy whatever i want. And something like FoW armor and Crystalline sword are worthless to me it look so ugly to me.
The thing i want to say is What r we going to do after we beat the last mission and buy all the things we want? Beside farming what else?
Yes, who don't want gold? but we need do something that we love to do too.
Like in Faction, after we beat the game we can go for Aspenwood or AB or Elite Mission. But for Nf, Why only Elite Mission, something that we need to do capping group to do it?
Why i hate Capping group so much? because if u were assassin , would they let u join in a capping group?
Why don't they make something that similar to Aspenwood but we get gold instead of faction point?
So no, I don't think they force us to farm at all. Unless you're one of those who thinks having FoW armor and wielding a crystalline sword is an absolute necessity. i actually do enjoy the game without farming, and i have enough money to buy whatever i want. And something like FoW armor and Crystalline sword are worthless to me it look so ugly to me.
The thing i want to say is What r we going to do after we beat the last mission and buy all the things we want? Beside farming what else?
Yes, who don't want gold? but we need do something that we love to do too.
Like in Faction, after we beat the game we can go for Aspenwood or AB or Elite Mission. But for Nf, Why only Elite Mission, something that we need to do capping group to do it?
Why i hate Capping group so much? because if u were assassin , would they let u join in a capping group?
Why don't they make something that similar to Aspenwood but we get gold instead of faction point?
Curse You
I have beat Nightfall on my neco a few weeks ago. What did I do? I took another character through the campaign. If I got bored, I went onto one of my new characters, mainly my paragon. If I got bored again, I can go try capturing elites on my necro. If I'm still bored, I got 5 more PvE characters (total of 8) to work on. Last of all I have 2 PvP characters to do some PvP with, so that I can get away from the PvE play style.
So, I wouldn't say they force us to farm. I hardly have time to.
So, I wouldn't say they force us to farm. I hardly have time to.
ShaneOfMach
Yo, dude. It's the other way around. Anet doesn't WANT you to farm. So don't farm.
Siva arwen
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Originally Posted by Curse You
I have beat Nightfall on my neco a few weeks ago. What did I do? I took another character through the campaign. If I got bored, I went onto one of my new characters, mainly my paragon. If I got bored again, I can go try capturing elites on my necro. If I'm still bored, I got 5 more PvE characters (total of 8) to work on. Last of all I have 2 PvP characters to do some PvP with, so that I can get away from the PvE play style.
So, I wouldn't say they force us to farm. I hardly have time to. i have beat Nf with my dervish and assassin a few week ago and my paragon is on halfway. I may not have my fourth character to beat Nf because it take so long and boring but i am not saying Nf is suck.
And now, what can i do for my assassin and Dervish with PvE after i beat Nf?
So, I wouldn't say they force us to farm. I hardly have time to. i have beat Nf with my dervish and assassin a few week ago and my paragon is on halfway. I may not have my fourth character to beat Nf because it take so long and boring but i am not saying Nf is suck.
And now, what can i do for my assassin and Dervish with PvE after i beat Nf?
Dalimoor_Kalkire
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Originally Posted by Azagoth
Sorry, but nobody has forced me to do anything!
Amen, Azagoth. Anet doesnt force you to farm anything. I don't farm faction, gold, or items. I get plenty of gold to fund my habits and arm my PvE players. When I PvP, I do it for fun with friends. Most of the armor, items, titles..ect are all cosmetic. if you want those, sure you'll have to grind for them, but that is apparent in every MMORPG that I can recall.
Vilaptca
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Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff
The only thing I wish they would change is the cost of using your skill points. Farming for 200k to buy 200 skills isn't realistic for a lot of players.
You do not NEED all those skills. But you do have to farm to get that many skill points 
And to get that many skill points, you'll be making that much money, unless your wasting it on armor or more weapons that you don't need.
If everyone only bought the skills they needed for their characters, there wouldn't be so many complaints about how much skills cost.
And to get that many skill points, you'll be making that much money, unless your wasting it on armor or more weapons that you don't need.If everyone only bought the skills they needed for their characters, there wouldn't be so many complaints about how much skills cost.
Siva arwen
I KNOW Anet DOESN'T FORCE me to farm but what i can do with my Dervish or Assassin with PvE beside farming?
Nickhimself
get all of the skills for their classes unlocked, go for a title or two, chat with people, design builds -- cap the skills needed for the builds, do other quests, help other players
N E D M
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Originally Posted by Siva arwen
Why don't they make something that similar to Aspenwood but we get gold instead of faction point?
Do dragons throat , they give you gold for that.
lol
lol
Siva arwen
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Originally Posted by Nickhimself
get all of the skills for their classes unlocked, go for a title or two, chat with people, design builds -- cap the skills needed for the builds, do other quests, help other players
GO FOR TITLE, does that mean i have to farm to get title?
Chat with people? everytown i went the only thing i saw is WTS/WT/Forming-group-farming.
Design Build? what do i design it for if i have no where to play it in PvE.
Why they don't just make a PvE mission for to play our favorite Profession and our favorite own build without capping-group like Aspenwood?
Chat with people? everytown i went the only thing i saw is WTS/WT/Forming-group-farming.
Design Build? what do i design it for if i have no where to play it in PvE.
Why they don't just make a PvE mission for to play our favorite Profession and our favorite own build without capping-group like Aspenwood?
Siva arwen
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Originally Posted by N E D M
Do dragons throat , they give you gold for that.
lol How many times u see ppl say I love dragons throat?
n if u want to do that mission u have to cap a good group, did u read my post that i say i hate capping group?
lol How many times u see ppl say I love dragons throat?
n if u want to do that mission u have to cap a good group, did u read my post that i say i hate capping group?
arcanemacabre
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Originally Posted by Siva arwen
Why they don't just make a PvE mission for to play our favorite Profession and our favorite own build without capping-group like Aspenwood?
So.... something like challenge missions? Or do you have something else in mind?
Siva arwen
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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
So.... something like challenge missions? Or do you have something else in mind?
it should be something that similar to Aspenwood that we dont need henchmen, waiting and capping-group, by just go there and enter the mission with everyone else and enjoy ur favorite profession and ur own build. the map should be able to play more than 8 players. Is it sound like everyone want to play it?
Riotgear
Best thing they could do to reduce the emphasis on farming would be to get a REAL trading system going. An auction house to ditch commodities and non-perfect mods would go a long way in helping reduce the amount of waste that just gets sold to the merchants because there's no visible market for it.
Right now, the reason farming is kinda required is because all the incidental crap you get doing missions and such is just too cumbersome to sell to anything other than the merchants/traders unless it's REALLY good.
Right now, the reason farming is kinda required is because all the incidental crap you get doing missions and such is just too cumbersome to sell to anything other than the merchants/traders unless it's REALLY good.
ayame ftw
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Originally Posted by Throttle
Of all MMORPGs I've played, GW is the one that requires the least farming/grinding to reach maximum goals. Ever tried to get the highest PvP rank in WoW?
Yes, thats easyer than playing tombs and game fame for sure
gobla
I Think the main point the OP is making that Anet forces you to roll one of a select number of classes to enjoy end-game PvE.
Classes like Mesmers and Assasins are not accepted into farming groups. Thus these classes will never be able to fully play the game.
Designing build for them is useless, nobody uses them. Farming large amounts of money for cool armor and weapons is near Impossible since nobody wants to farm with them.
In Factions these classes could do stuff like Aspenwood. In Nightfall there are no options for these classes. And since the elite mission is basically farming you are forced to farm for end-game Nightfall. Mesmers and Assasins have no role in this.
And I must say I really agree with this.
Classes like Mesmers and Assasins are not accepted into farming groups. Thus these classes will never be able to fully play the game.
Designing build for them is useless, nobody uses them. Farming large amounts of money for cool armor and weapons is near Impossible since nobody wants to farm with them.
In Factions these classes could do stuff like Aspenwood. In Nightfall there are no options for these classes. And since the elite mission is basically farming you are forced to farm for end-game Nightfall. Mesmers and Assasins have no role in this.
And I must say I really agree with this.
Venus was her name
they dont force you to farm, nobody says you need to get expensive stuff
you could get 1.5k armour and use collector weapons and be just as good at GW as somebody with a 15^50 req 8 fellblade and fow armour. You'd probally be better as you've actually had time to play the game not farm shards and ecto all day.
today ive been on GW 2 hours and earnt 20k just from monster drops while doing quests (ok a got a black dye + sapphire). thats not much i know but its enough to get by with.
not saying i dont farm becuase i do just not lately as there isn't a build efficient enough.
you could get 1.5k armour and use collector weapons and be just as good at GW as somebody with a 15^50 req 8 fellblade and fow armour. You'd probally be better as you've actually had time to play the game not farm shards and ecto all day.
today ive been on GW 2 hours and earnt 20k just from monster drops while doing quests (ok a got a black dye + sapphire). thats not much i know but its enough to get by with.
not saying i dont farm becuase i do just not lately as there isn't a build efficient enough.
Siva arwen
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Originally Posted by gobla
I Think the main point the OP is making that Anet forces you to roll one of a select number of classes to enjoy end-game PvE.
Classes like Mesmers and Assasins are not accepted into farming groups. Thus these classes will never be able to fully play the game.
Designing build for them is useless, nobody uses them. Farming large amounts of money for cool armor and weapons is near Impossible since nobody wants to farm with them.
In Factions these classes could do stuff like Aspenwood. In Nightfall there are no options for these classes. And since the elite mission is basically farming you are forced to farm for end-game Nightfall. Mesmers and Assasins have no role in this.
And I must say I really agree with this. Finally, some one got my point. I think Anet should adds something like these to PvE for these class to be able enjoy in PvE.
Classes like Mesmers and Assasins are not accepted into farming groups. Thus these classes will never be able to fully play the game.
Designing build for them is useless, nobody uses them. Farming large amounts of money for cool armor and weapons is near Impossible since nobody wants to farm with them.
In Factions these classes could do stuff like Aspenwood. In Nightfall there are no options for these classes. And since the elite mission is basically farming you are forced to farm for end-game Nightfall. Mesmers and Assasins have no role in this.
And I must say I really agree with this. Finally, some one got my point. I think Anet should adds something like these to PvE for these class to be able enjoy in PvE.
Siva arwen
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Originally Posted by Venus was her name
they dont force you to farm, nobody says you need to get expensive stuff
you could get 1.5k armour and use collector weapons and be just as good at GW as somebody with a 15^50 req 8 fellblade and fow armour. You'd probally be better as you've actually had time to play the game not farm shards and ecto all day.
today ive been on GW 2 hours and earnt 20k just from monster drops while doing quests (ok a got a black dye + sapphire). thats not much i know but its enough to get by with.
not saying i dont farm becuase i do just not lately as there isn't a build efficient enough. I understand what r u saying, but please read all the comments, and i dont come here to say i need gold for my fow armor or w/e, but i come here to say what can i do after beat the game in PvE beside capping-group for farming or solo-farming?
you could get 1.5k armour and use collector weapons and be just as good at GW as somebody with a 15^50 req 8 fellblade and fow armour. You'd probally be better as you've actually had time to play the game not farm shards and ecto all day.
today ive been on GW 2 hours and earnt 20k just from monster drops while doing quests (ok a got a black dye + sapphire). thats not much i know but its enough to get by with.
not saying i dont farm becuase i do just not lately as there isn't a build efficient enough. I understand what r u saying, but please read all the comments, and i dont come here to say i need gold for my fow armor or w/e, but i come here to say what can i do after beat the game in PvE beside capping-group for farming or solo-farming?
powerk21
Ab Ftw !!
Celeborn
You could...play a different game?
novawhiz
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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach
Yo, dude. It's the other way around. Anet doesn't WANT you to farm. So don't farm.
Exactly!!!!
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY NERF ALL GOOD FARMING BUILDS!!!!!?!?!???!?!
WHY DO YOU THINK THEY NERF ALL GOOD FARMING BUILDS!!!!!?!?!???!?!
Siva arwen
I'm sry, i dont know what r u guy thinking.
But i DON'T say Anet need to nerf Farming or REMOVE Farming!!!!! and I do not blame Farming is suck at all.
What i want to say is Anet should ADDs more options for us to play PvE.
But i DON'T say Anet need to nerf Farming or REMOVE Farming!!!!! and I do not blame Farming is suck at all.
What i want to say is Anet should ADDs more options for us to play PvE.
FlyingWeagle
What do you do when you finish Guild Wars? What would you do if you finished, say, Half Life? Wait for the next one or play through again. Or ( yes I know this borders on blasphemy) Find another game.
Btw your english isn't overly bad, although I wasnt sure what you meant by 'capping group'
Btw your english isn't overly bad, although I wasnt sure what you meant by 'capping group'
FlyingWeagle
Mesmers can't farm? try Shiro'ken culling down at Harvest (;
rebirthofdragon
ANet came to my house and said that if I did not farm they would kill my dog! What am I supposed to do? Now I have no choice but to farm.
The strangest part of it is that I don't have a dog.
The strangest part of it is that I don't have a dog.
l)l2UNl(
they never force people to do anything
i dont farm i just play the game (farming is boring, i must agree)and i have no prob with money. you can play this game quite a few times becuase each time you should have a different team as well as different weaknesses and strengths. and since this is MMO it really should not get boring very fast. the whole point of MMO is for you to play with others, and this is what makes it fun. if this was a single player game i would not even consider getting it...
you dont HAVE TO farm to get gold, just do mission, elite mission, ect.
i would replay the 3 games or get a guild and do some GvG but its up to u
PS: im not sure what OP meant or what teh main point was (really confusing)
i dont farm i just play the game (farming is boring, i must agree)and i have no prob with money. you can play this game quite a few times becuase each time you should have a different team as well as different weaknesses and strengths. and since this is MMO it really should not get boring very fast. the whole point of MMO is for you to play with others, and this is what makes it fun. if this was a single player game i would not even consider getting it...
you dont HAVE TO farm to get gold, just do mission, elite mission, ect.
i would replay the 3 games or get a guild and do some GvG but its up to u
PS: im not sure what OP meant or what teh main point was (really confusing)
Ell the Bell
u know y ppl are posting different thigns to what u expect?cos we are having a tough time tryin to understand u. ok fine let me get this straight...
you want a place where u can do PVE besides the elite mission in NF (just like aspenwood in Factions), right?
aspenwood is NOT pve...its PVP..close to pve cos its a free for all but its still a PVP map
and no gettin a title doesnt mean farming...dude go explore the continent..redo the missions to get the protectors title...by doin so u kill 3 birds wif one stone (u aim for a title, u chat wif ppl, and u help ppl who have not done the missions)
if u want a place where u can just 'enter mission' with your favourite character go random arenas. its practically the same as aspenwood..just smaller and u need to work as a team...(not implyin that aspenwood does not require teamwork...but most ppl dun care bout teammates there)
and gobla, mesmers not accepted into farming groups?!?u gotta be kidding me...or maybe cos they do it solo...
you want a place where u can do PVE besides the elite mission in NF (just like aspenwood in Factions), right?
aspenwood is NOT pve...its PVP..close to pve cos its a free for all but its still a PVP map
and no gettin a title doesnt mean farming...dude go explore the continent..redo the missions to get the protectors title...by doin so u kill 3 birds wif one stone (u aim for a title, u chat wif ppl, and u help ppl who have not done the missions)
if u want a place where u can just 'enter mission' with your favourite character go random arenas. its practically the same as aspenwood..just smaller and u need to work as a team...(not implyin that aspenwood does not require teamwork...but most ppl dun care bout teammates there)
and gobla, mesmers not accepted into farming groups?!?u gotta be kidding me...or maybe cos they do it solo...
Siva arwen
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Originally Posted by Ell the Bell
u know y ppl are posting different thigns to what u expect?cos we are having a tough time tryin to understand u. ok fine let me get this straight...
you want a place where u can do PVE besides the elite mission in NF (just like aspenwood in Factions), right?
aspenwood is NOT pve...its PVP..close to pve cos its a free for all but its still a PVP map
and no gettin a title doesnt mean farming...dude go explore the continent..redo the missions to get the protectors title...by doin so u kill 3 birds wif one stone (u aim for a title, u chat wif ppl, and u help ppl who have not done the missions)
if u want a place where u can just 'enter mission' with your favourite character go random arenas. its practically the same as aspenwood..just smaller and u need to work as a team...(not implyin that aspenwood does not require teamwork...but most ppl dun care bout teammates there)
and gobla, mesmers not accepted into farming groups?!?u gotta be kidding me...or maybe cos they do it solo...
You said aspenwood is PvP but don't forget aspenwood is only belong to Faction Account only(correct me if i'm not right) and NF doesn't have one yet that similar to that one. So, does that mean the end of PVE in NF is just about farming with those capping group? and what is the point that I make my cute PvE Dervish and unlocked all the skills for? I belief Anet knew that a lot of ppl complain about PvE in GW is suck and boring. and Why Anet didn't take their time or action to improve PvE but instead of release a big Farming Area DoA for us? and What does it mean by release DoA?
you want a place where u can do PVE besides the elite mission in NF (just like aspenwood in Factions), right?
aspenwood is NOT pve...its PVP..close to pve cos its a free for all but its still a PVP map
and no gettin a title doesnt mean farming...dude go explore the continent..redo the missions to get the protectors title...by doin so u kill 3 birds wif one stone (u aim for a title, u chat wif ppl, and u help ppl who have not done the missions)
if u want a place where u can just 'enter mission' with your favourite character go random arenas. its practically the same as aspenwood..just smaller and u need to work as a team...(not implyin that aspenwood does not require teamwork...but most ppl dun care bout teammates there)
and gobla, mesmers not accepted into farming groups?!?u gotta be kidding me...or maybe cos they do it solo...
You said aspenwood is PvP but don't forget aspenwood is only belong to Faction Account only(correct me if i'm not right) and NF doesn't have one yet that similar to that one. So, does that mean the end of PVE in NF is just about farming with those capping group? and what is the point that I make my cute PvE Dervish and unlocked all the skills for? I belief Anet knew that a lot of ppl complain about PvE in GW is suck and boring. and Why Anet didn't take their time or action to improve PvE but instead of release a big Farming Area DoA for us? and What does it mean by release DoA?
strcpy
The fact that Aspenwood is only in factions has no relevance to if it is PvE or PvP. It is a PvP area - that is human players fighting other human players. It is *not* end game PvE.
The end game PvE in Nightfall is the same as the other games: Underworld, Fissure of Woe, and an Elite Area (Sorrow's Furnance, The Deep/Urgoz's warden, and Domain of Anguish). In Factions and Nightfall you also have challenge missions.
If you are looking for Aspenwood type things there are plenty of other PvP areas that form random teams that any and all professions can enter - they are called Random Arena's. You also have hero arena's that you can always get a group up (your heroes). Go to the Battle Isles and have at it.
As for having trouble with some professions in some areas getting groups - welcome to Online gaming. If you can figure out how to solve that I suggest you go make a game as you will corner the market. No matter what you do some class combination will complete some places better than others. Even if they do not many players will perceive it as so and go from there. Mesmers, Ritualist, Assasins, and any class is in high demand in some areas. That's why we have more than a single character slot.
End game in MMORPG's is what you make of them. That is true in any one I have played.
As DoA being a farming area: that remains to be seen. It's release may mean that Anet was trying to listen to people who wanted a difficult end game PvE experience where balanced teams are needed. Then again, a 2 or 3 man team may come out and that be the end of balanced PvE teams there and back to farming only groups.
So far it seems you want the perfect game that satisfies several mutually exclusive needs depending on your current whim. You will be a very unhappy gamer if you really and truly need that.
The end game PvE in Nightfall is the same as the other games: Underworld, Fissure of Woe, and an Elite Area (Sorrow's Furnance, The Deep/Urgoz's warden, and Domain of Anguish). In Factions and Nightfall you also have challenge missions.
If you are looking for Aspenwood type things there are plenty of other PvP areas that form random teams that any and all professions can enter - they are called Random Arena's. You also have hero arena's that you can always get a group up (your heroes). Go to the Battle Isles and have at it.
As for having trouble with some professions in some areas getting groups - welcome to Online gaming. If you can figure out how to solve that I suggest you go make a game as you will corner the market. No matter what you do some class combination will complete some places better than others. Even if they do not many players will perceive it as so and go from there. Mesmers, Ritualist, Assasins, and any class is in high demand in some areas. That's why we have more than a single character slot.
End game in MMORPG's is what you make of them. That is true in any one I have played.
As DoA being a farming area: that remains to be seen. It's release may mean that Anet was trying to listen to people who wanted a difficult end game PvE experience where balanced teams are needed. Then again, a 2 or 3 man team may come out and that be the end of balanced PvE teams there and back to farming only groups.
So far it seems you want the perfect game that satisfies several mutually exclusive needs depending on your current whim. You will be a very unhappy gamer if you really and truly need that.