On November 26th I reported two eBay gold sellers to ANet. They responded with the usual generic message and I proceeded to forget all about it.
I was clearing through my bookmarks today and saw them. I'd saved them to see if they'd get banned or whatever. I went to go look before I deleted them but they're still operating.
Now I don't know the process involved in getting rid of these people, but I thought that if ANet contacted eBay these people would get shut down? And I know cause of privacy policy ANet can't tell us anything... That's a lot of money they made in the two weeks since I reported them.
What I would like to know is if anyone has had a similar experience. Or if anyone knows how long exactly it takes before these guys get in trouble from eBay.
It's kind of discouraging for the people that report this stuff. The message I got from support didn't even say they would look into it. :S
eBay Gold Sellers: not being stopped?
BeXoR
Thallandor
Buy enough Ebay shares to sit on the board of directors, then proceed to kick/ban/block those users yourself.
Otherwise like the rest of us who just crawls around, it just something we have to live with.
Otherwise like the rest of us who just crawls around, it just something we have to live with.
Lykan
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On November 26th I reported two eBay gold sellers to ANet. They responded with the usual generic message and I proceeded to forget all about it.
I was clearing through my bookmarks today and saw them. I'd saved them to see if they'd get banned or whatever. I went to go look before I deleted them but they're still operating. |
If you can connect these ebay sellers to accounts on GW then Anet can do something but otherwise there is nothing they can do.
They definitley cannot force ebay to ban sellers accounts.
Sad but true.
Omega X
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An ebay account is not connected to a Guild Wars account. It is not illegal to sell gold on ebay so why would ebay ban the accounts?
If you can connect these ebay sellers to accounts on GW then Anet can do something but otherwise there is nothing they can do. They definitley cannot force ebay to ban sellers accounts. Sad but true. |
Most likely, ANET is tracking down the accounts of those people before shutting them down. Or Ebay doesn't know about it yet.
xxSilhouette
I think Anet also knows that, yeah they can try to stop people from selling, but at the same time, they know there will always be people doing this.
Kinda like, maybe they don't want to waste there time stopping one or two people from doing something, that they know won't change anything.
Its sad to say, But its true
Kinda like, maybe they don't want to waste there time stopping one or two people from doing something, that they know won't change anything.
Its sad to say, But its true
Rera
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According to the terms of agreement, those Ebay sellers do not own the gold that they are selling as it is data on Anet's servers. And Ebay can get in trouble for not closing the accounts.
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The ebay sellers themselves say that they do not own the gold, and that all intellectual property remains in the sole possession of the company. When you buy ebay gold, you're not actually buying the gold, you are buying a service - specifically, the time and effort it took for the ebay sellers to farm the gold for you.
Take a look around - almost every popular online game has a crowd of gold/item sellers to go with it. I don't think ebay can shut them down, because they aren't doing anything that's actually illegal. The only ones that can do anything about it are the game companies, by cutting off access due to violation of EULA.
lyra_song
Theres only so much Anet can do to shut down outside areas.
The best they can do, is to FIND THE GUILD WARS ACCOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EBAYER'S ACCOUNT AND BAN THEM
Farm Botting networks are parts of ebay accounts, shutting down 1 account wont help, you need to shut them ALL down at once.
The best they can do, is to FIND THE GUILD WARS ACCOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EBAYER'S ACCOUNT AND BAN THEM
Farm Botting networks are parts of ebay accounts, shutting down 1 account wont help, you need to shut them ALL down at once.
Thallandor
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Theres only so much Anet can do to shut down outside areas.
The best they can do, is to FIND THE GUILD WARS ACCOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EBAYER'S ACCOUNT AND BAN THEM Farm Botting networks are parts of ebay accounts, shutting down 1 account wont help, you need to shut them ALL down at once. |
Our reminders of past misbanning:
-Post Dragon Festival AFK bannings,
-Last mass banning of botting accounts, accidently banning some players who have reported "bot like behaviours".
-Recent case of "Grief Banning" where some guys get their guild/alliance mates to spam support to force a temp ban on someone they are unhappy with.
So before anyone wants to rally Anet into another round of account bannings, please keep in mind to specify the specific problem with specific targeted solutions rather than a vage one.
manitoba1073
Not to mention anet keeps trying to shut down the only way casual players have of making gold, so they have no where to really turn to. And no im by far from a casual player.
Look at spirit bond, it was easy for anyone to do. everyone had money then. If anet really wanted to do away with the gold sellers theyd rethink some of the nerfs they did. Now if people aint some what gifted its very difficult for them to make any decent amounts.
Look at spirit bond, it was easy for anyone to do. everyone had money then. If anet really wanted to do away with the gold sellers theyd rethink some of the nerfs they did. Now if people aint some what gifted its very difficult for them to make any decent amounts.
Shanaeri Rynale
The measures so far put in place have had zero effect on the price of ebay gold. I make a habit of checking the prices after each 'update' to see if that finally makes the difference.
Per million gold
Pre factions price was $60
Right after factions it shot up to $100 for about 6 weeks
After factions it went down about $60
After the so called farming nerf and NF it went up to about $80
Now it's down to about $50
If the idea was to make life as difficult for these guys then it's clearly failed, and in the process caused a lot of up set amongst normal farmers and players.
You can only put in so much in game countermeasures(AI changes, nerfs new mobs etc) before it starts to negatively impact ones playerbase. It's a balancing act. Nerf too little and players and bot exploit it like mad, nerf too much and legitimate players will leave as the game is no longer fun. It would be very sad to see GW die out because of over zealous anti bot/gold farm measures.
Bots and Gold farmers have one thing, that a normal player does not.. Time
So, whats the answer? In my view the very best way is for the game to provide stuff that makes the need to buy the gold decline. AN have already started this with rare item rewards for missions and quests . Adding rare skinned weapons as green drops etc etc and that is one of the reasons why I think the price of gold has dropped. Maybe people are'nt buying as much of it as they used to?
Basically, nerf the game to stop the gold farmers and you risk nerfing the game to the detriment of the playerbase and in the end people leave.
Sadly AN now have the reputation for taking stuff away from players, not adding. Which is not the case. They give us loads of updated content, keep things fresh but alas perceptions is a powerful thing.
Per million gold
Pre factions price was $60
Right after factions it shot up to $100 for about 6 weeks
After factions it went down about $60
After the so called farming nerf and NF it went up to about $80
Now it's down to about $50
If the idea was to make life as difficult for these guys then it's clearly failed, and in the process caused a lot of up set amongst normal farmers and players.
You can only put in so much in game countermeasures(AI changes, nerfs new mobs etc) before it starts to negatively impact ones playerbase. It's a balancing act. Nerf too little and players and bot exploit it like mad, nerf too much and legitimate players will leave as the game is no longer fun. It would be very sad to see GW die out because of over zealous anti bot/gold farm measures.
Bots and Gold farmers have one thing, that a normal player does not.. Time
So, whats the answer? In my view the very best way is for the game to provide stuff that makes the need to buy the gold decline. AN have already started this with rare item rewards for missions and quests . Adding rare skinned weapons as green drops etc etc and that is one of the reasons why I think the price of gold has dropped. Maybe people are'nt buying as much of it as they used to?
Basically, nerf the game to stop the gold farmers and you risk nerfing the game to the detriment of the playerbase and in the end people leave.
Sadly AN now have the reputation for taking stuff away from players, not adding. Which is not the case. They give us loads of updated content, keep things fresh but alas perceptions is a powerful thing.
Firebaall
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It is not illegal to sell gold on ebay so why would ebay ban the accounts?
If you can connect these ebay sellers to accounts on GW then Anet can do something but otherwise there is nothing they can do. They definitley cannot force ebay to ban sellers accounts. Sad but true. |
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Anet could easily request these auctions to be removed. You don't know what your talking about.
Anet doesn't seem to give a sniff about ebay gold sellers though. Hell, for all we know, it is Anet selling gold on Ebay.
Thallandor
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Sadly AN now have the reputation for taking stuff away from players, not adding. Which is not the case. They give us loads of updated content, keep things fresh but alas perceptions is a powerful thing.
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aron searle
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According to the terms of agreement, those Ebay sellers do not own the gold that they are selling as it is data on Anet's servers. And Ebay can get in trouble for not closing the accounts.
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But i dont think its in Ebays intrests to spend 100's of hours monotoring all the gold sellers for all the games and shutting them down, when there are more important things to monitor for like stolen goods.
generik
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According to the terms of agreement, those Ebay sellers do not own the gold that they are selling as it is data on Anet's servers. And Ebay can get in trouble for not closing the accounts.
Most likely, ANET is tracking down the accounts of those people before shutting them down. Or Ebay doesn't know about it yet. |
Illegal? Don't think so.
Malice Black
You talk about these gold sellers like they are dumb..they are not. That little paragraph at the bottom of the page covers them against any legal action.
Concerning Ebay and the closing of accounts..they can close all the accounts they want another account will pop up the next day using a different IP address.
On another note there is far bigger gold sellers then Ebay.
In short nothing will be done. The battle against gold sellers is like a very publicated war..just not possible to win.
Concerning Ebay and the closing of accounts..they can close all the accounts they want another account will pop up the next day using a different IP address.
On another note there is far bigger gold sellers then Ebay.
In short nothing will be done. The battle against gold sellers is like a very publicated war..just not possible to win.
generik
And guess who gets caught in the crossfire?
Perhaps Anet should rethink their anal retentive mindsets.
Perhaps Anet should rethink their anal retentive mindsets.
Matsumi
Just curious, but why is everyone targeting ebay anyway? I just did a search on google for guild wars gold out of curiosity, and the first page of results doesn't even include any ebay sites. Not that I'm saying there isn't any sites, but still, just wondering why the focus always goes on ebay in particular.
Pandora's box
Anet does not reward telltales 
Anyway, go ask Blizzard why they never stopped Ebay sellers... They have over 6 years experience in this.
Anyway, go ask Blizzard why they never stopped Ebay sellers... They have over 6 years experience in this.
nightwatchman
eBay aren't interested in stopping these guys. They make money out of the sales. The only reason they'd ban someone selling on ebay is if they have a legal requirement to do so.
This puts the entire burden on aNet to either: pursuade eBay that the sales are illegal; or, ban the GW accounts doing the selling/buying
Although eBay'd gold is a pain because it seems to be blamed for making some items really expensive as eBayers can throw money at them; i'm not so sure I'd want aNet spending that much time on individual cases.
I'd rather they spent the time handling the in-game fraudsters (and maybe putting a bit of work into spam handling. - just disable the up arrow key in chat, please - let the spammers get RSI)
This puts the entire burden on aNet to either: pursuade eBay that the sales are illegal; or, ban the GW accounts doing the selling/buying
Although eBay'd gold is a pain because it seems to be blamed for making some items really expensive as eBayers can throw money at them; i'm not so sure I'd want aNet spending that much time on individual cases.
I'd rather they spent the time handling the in-game fraudsters (and maybe putting a bit of work into spam handling. - just disable the up arrow key in chat, please - let the spammers get RSI)
Marvel M
As horrible as Gold Selling is via Ebay. I'm surprize that GW hasn't considered selling gold via their store. If they offer it cheap enough they could put Ebay sellers out of business. Don't get me wrong I understand this would infuriate some player base - but if gold is being sold on Ebay and people are buying then why shouldn't GW make a profit from it.
Just my thoughts - be it good or bad..
Take Care..
Just my thoughts - be it good or bad..
Take Care..
Shanaeri Rynale
Because then everyone would do it, leading to huge inflation of prices and rending the pleasure gained from saving up or farming something useless.
Darkobra
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You make Anet's EULA sound like it is worth more than that $49 box of a "game".
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Arenanet is a company. You legally signed the contract. You agree to said contract every time you play the game. If you fail to follow this contract, they can cut you off and there's nothing you can do about it. Doesn't matter how much you paid for a game, it just matters that you signed a company's contract and agreed to follow it. Is it that hard to understand? If it is, I can dumb it down.
RTSFirebat
The Key word here is eBay
Why report eBay Gold sellers to A.net?
You should just report them directly to eBay, as its eBay who has the power to remove them from their site, not A.net.
The most A.net will do is report it to eBay, which is what you should have done in the first place.
Easy....
Why report eBay Gold sellers to A.net?
You should just report them directly to eBay, as its eBay who has the power to remove them from their site, not A.net.
The most A.net will do is report it to eBay, which is what you should have done in the first place.
Easy....
Marvel M
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Because then everyone would do it, leading to huge inflation of prices and rending the pleasure gained from saving up or farming something useless.
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General Mindset: IMO only.
A. Will spend any amount of money to own rare items and dress up. (Know how to make Gold - No Need to buy)
B. Will rarely sell to players and keep bare minimum gold on their account - These players normally earn gold as they need it. (Usually just plays the game not concerned about Ebay or Gold Buyers)
C. Will spend any amount of money to own rare items and likes to dress up but rarely have the gold to do it. (Would be Tempting to buy Gold)
Just my thoughts on things. - Don't get me wrong I'm sure GW will not sell gold of any type I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me if they did from a business sense. I know sounds a little Oxymoronic if that's a word.
Ninna
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Anyway, go ask Blizzard why they never stopped Ebay sellers... They have over 6 years experience in this.
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SOE did succesfully stop ebay sales - but that was years ago
http://news.com.com/2100-1017-251654.html
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aron searle
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Arenanet is a company. You legally signed the contract. You agree to said contract every time you play the game. If you fail to follow this contract, they can cut you off and there's nothing you can do about it. Doesn't matter how much you paid for a game, it just matters that you signed a company's contract and agreed to follow it. Is it that hard to understand? If it is, I can dumb it down..
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Ebay did not sign the EULA so whilst you can be banned, i dont think EBAY are quite breaking the law, which was the point.
lyra_song
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Yes i think you should dumb it down to your own level
Ebay did not sign the EULA so whilst you can be banned, i dont think EBAY are quite breaking the law, which was the point. |
eBay cares alot about SCAMMING on eBay.
The best way, IMO, for Arenanet to stop farmers who sell on ebay, is to just shut down accounts that use eBay (as ive posted before) by using eBay.
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Scenario.
Arenanet creates a new account.
Anet account checks out potential eBay seller accounts on eBay.
Anet buys eBay gold.
Anet then meets the seller in game.
They then check ALL accounts that ever made contact with the seller account.
They trace the source of funds.
They freeze all accounts associated with large transfer of in game cash, and accounts associated with THOSE accounts.
So then.
Anet complains to eBay that seller is scamming.
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But thats just my imagination running amuck.
Thalion Galad
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As horrible as Gold Selling is via Ebay. I'm surprize that GW hasn't considered selling gold via their store. If they offer it cheap enough they could put Ebay sellers out of business. Don't get me wrong I understand this would infuriate some player base - but if gold is being sold on Ebay and people are buying then why shouldn't GW make a profit from it.
Just my thoughts - be it good or bad.. Take Care.. |
i'm a businness men myself and i thouth about that to many times and i think that anet is doing that allready...
Just bouth some days ago the tree pvp packs
1135 skills for 117.97€
if i got the skills in the normal away i need something about 1 000 000 k to get them (skill trainers and skill cap)
now i ask
Anet nerfed farming cause the online money sellers are making profit or cause they (anet) is selling the money via satelite company's?
Off topic:
Started 3 days ago with my (PR) monk the away up in Elona from Kamadan to the vortex, started with 0gp in my pocket and arrived on the vortex with only 20k just doing primary quests...
Poor poor new player's i feel sorry for them...
dont mind gramma i'm portuguese... try write my reply in portuguese...
Rera
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As horrible as Gold Selling is via Ebay. I'm surprize that GW hasn't considered selling gold via their store. If they offer it cheap enough they could put Ebay sellers out of business. Don't get me wrong I understand this would infuriate some player base - but if gold is being sold on Ebay and people are buying then why shouldn't GW make a profit from it.
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I don't know eBay's policies, and I have no doubt that they can shut down whatever auction they want, for whatever reason, but at the moment they simply don't have any incentive to do so unless they are legally obligated. But even assuming that eBay removed all gold auctions from their site, gold sellers are still free to sell gold from their own websites, and shutting *those* down is, I imagine, essentially impossible.
The best way to stop a certain behavior is to remove the incentive to do it. There are two incentives to consider here: the incentive to sell gold, and the incentive to buy it. The incentives to sell gold is both obvious and difficult to counteract, but I think the incentive to buy gold might be easier for Anet to manipulate.
Sir Skullcrasher
Couldn't Ebay just shut down all those sellers who is selling gold for real money? I mean, they don't need reason to do so since selling in-game product for real profits is against the EULA and I'm sure A-Net probably let Ebay know ahead of time that it's illegal?
Chief
Let me provide some details and education here based on reading NCSoft/PlayNC and eBay Policies.
First, we all know Arenanet is a wholly-owned subsidiary of NCSoft Corporation. Furthermore, we are also quite aware of the Guild Wars/PlayNC end user license agreements (EULAs). http://www.plaync.com/help/eula_gw.html or http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php
What you may not know is the eBay VeRO program. http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...nded-item.html
NCSoft is a registered participant of the VeRO Program. http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/vero-aboutme.html
If you click on the NCSoft link on the VeRO Program page you will go to the About Me page. Located at the very bottom of the page you will read the following:
Now that you have reviewed the information, this is how I understand the VeRO program.
First, we all know Arenanet is a wholly-owned subsidiary of NCSoft Corporation. Furthermore, we are also quite aware of the Guild Wars/PlayNC end user license agreements (EULAs). http://www.plaync.com/help/eula_gw.html or http://www.guildwars.com/support/leg...-agreement.php
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If you click on the NCSoft link on the VeRO Program page you will go to the About Me page. Located at the very bottom of the page you will read the following:
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About Sales of Guild Wars Boxes, Key Codes, Accounts, and Content NCsoft does not support or consent to the sale of Guild Wars boxes or online key codes except through official authorized distributors. Should you wish to become an authorized distributor of NCsoft products, please contact [email protected] with your company information. The resale of Guild Wars accounts and content is strictly prohibited as per the Guild Wars End User License Agreement. |
Now that you have reviewed the information, this is how I understand the VeRO program.
1. It is up to NCSoft to report a VeRO violation, otherwise eBay will do nothing.Basically, it appears that it takes NCSoft resources to continually browse eBay and submit NOCI paperwork on a routine basis to eliminate violators. It may not be considered cost-effective for NCSoft to hire or take resources off task to research VeRO/NOCI infringements on eBay.
2. NCSoft has to fill out a form called the “Notice of Claimed Infringement (NOCI)” and fax it to eBay. After they fax the initial document, eBay will provide NCSoft a electronic mechanism to submit VeRO/NOCI violations.
3. NCSoft must provide a list of “Names” that represent NCSoft. These individuals have the authority to report NOCI infringements to eBay.
Rera
I'm going to say it again: item/gold auctions do not sell content, they sell a service. Therefore, the VeRO program doesn't apply. The program is used primarily to prevent the sale of counterfeit property, such as pirated software and media.
lyra_song
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I'm going to say it again: item/gold auctions do not sell content, they sell a service. Therefore, the VeRO program doesn't apply. The program is used primarily to prevent the sale of counterfeit property, such as pirated software and media.
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It is also irrelevant. Anet gives you no rights to use their software to make money.
Look at some software used directly to make money.
Adobe Photoshop: Theres a Professional and an Educational version. Both versions are functionally identical. However, they are LICENSED differently. The edu version is for learning and non-professional use. The Pro version is for full studio use and commercial use.
You cant compare gold harvesting/item selling to something like that. Anet's software isnt licensed for that use.
You can't sell "time spent making gold" because that time you spent is also BANDWIDTH that belongs to Anet.
Riotgear
I need to dig through eBay's policies, last I knew they don't allow it, making THEM the ones to report this stuff to.
You fell for their bullshit too? Here's a quick reality check:
"In accounting, a good is a physical product capable of being delivered to a purchaser and involves the transfer of ownership from seller to customer."
They are selling a good. Not a service. The very notion that they're selling a service is absurd. If you go to the grocery store, are you paying for the service of an apple being pulled off of the tree, waxed, bagged, delivered, and stocked? Well, yeah, sort of, but in reality, YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE APPLE!!
The only way you ever pay for a service is either by agreeing to pay in advance, or paying for it in advance. Otherwise, especially when there is an exchange of product involved, you are paying for a GOOD. Please name ONE case where this is not true.
Just because some idiot can post a legal disclaimer on something doesn't make it true. Warez sites try doing this all the time by claiming you're violating their rights if you're entering and are a member of law enforcement. Gold sellers are just trying to cover their ass. There is no legal merit whatsoever to their claims.
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"In accounting, a good is a physical product capable of being delivered to a purchaser and involves the transfer of ownership from seller to customer."
They are selling a good. Not a service. The very notion that they're selling a service is absurd. If you go to the grocery store, are you paying for the service of an apple being pulled off of the tree, waxed, bagged, delivered, and stocked? Well, yeah, sort of, but in reality, YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE APPLE!!
The only way you ever pay for a service is either by agreeing to pay in advance, or paying for it in advance. Otherwise, especially when there is an exchange of product involved, you are paying for a GOOD. Please name ONE case where this is not true.
Just because some idiot can post a legal disclaimer on something doesn't make it true. Warez sites try doing this all the time by claiming you're violating their rights if you're entering and are a member of law enforcement. Gold sellers are just trying to cover their ass. There is no legal merit whatsoever to their claims.
Rera
It's not irrelevant, because that's what makes the distinction between a violation of the EULA (resulting in a ban) and a violation of the law (resulting in legal action).
Several people argue that gold selling is illegal because they are selling something they don't own. For this argument to hold water, giving gold away must also be illegal. Since when could you legally give away things you didn't own?
It appears to me that the sole thing that Anet has control over in this case is access to their servers - that's what we all paid for. EULA violations are grounds on which this access can be revoked. It doesn't seem like Anet can actually do anything else.
There is no physical product, and there is no transfer of ownership. You don't actually own anything on Anet's servers - Anet owns it. If you actually owned your character and all of the associated items and gold, you could legally prevent Anet from doing anything to them without your consent. But you can't. If Anet decides to wipe all of their servers tomorrow, they are perfectly entitled to do so. You don't own any of the content.
Your analogy to the apple is incorrect. When you buy the apple, you actually own it. There is a transfer of physical goods. You can do whatever you want to that apple, because it belongs to you.
Several people argue that gold selling is illegal because they are selling something they don't own. For this argument to hold water, giving gold away must also be illegal. Since when could you legally give away things you didn't own?
It appears to me that the sole thing that Anet has control over in this case is access to their servers - that's what we all paid for. EULA violations are grounds on which this access can be revoked. It doesn't seem like Anet can actually do anything else.
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"In accounting, a good is a physical product capable of being delivered to a purchaser and involves the transfer of ownership from seller to customer."
They are selling a good. Not a service. The very notion that they're selling a service is absurd. If you go to the grocery store, are you paying for the service of an apple being pulled off of the tree, waxed, bagged, delivered, and stocked? Well, yeah, sort of, but in reality, YOU ARE PAYING FOR THE APPLE!! |
Your analogy to the apple is incorrect. When you buy the apple, you actually own it. There is a transfer of physical goods. You can do whatever you want to that apple, because it belongs to you.
Chief
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I'm going to say it again: item/gold auctions do not sell content, they sell a service. Therefore, the VeRO program doesn't apply. The program is used primarily to prevent the sale of counterfeit property, such as pirated software and media.
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Talking about buying gold? Come on, you guys have read the User Agreement, you know that selling or buying gold is going to result in an account termination when it's discovered. (And it's discovered literally every day.) Just say "No" to gold purchases!)
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Rera
Chief, you're still missing the point.
Gold auctions on ebay are clearly in violation of the EULA. The question here is whether eBay or those people posting the auctions have any legal liability.
You'll notice Gaile doesn't say, "result in possible legal action". As I said, the most Anet can do is revoke your privilege to access their servers, because that's the only thing they legally control. Their EULA gives them grounds to revoke services that you paid for, but that's about the extent of its power.
Gold auctions on ebay are clearly in violation of the EULA. The question here is whether eBay or those people posting the auctions have any legal liability.
You'll notice Gaile doesn't say, "result in possible legal action". As I said, the most Anet can do is revoke your privilege to access their servers, because that's the only thing they legally control. Their EULA gives them grounds to revoke services that you paid for, but that's about the extent of its power.
lyra_song
I would consider selling gold on eBay on par with using software illegally.
However its up to the courts.
Theres never been a real EULA trial to compare really.
At the same note, if it DID upheld in court, is it cost effective to do that?
However its up to the courts.
Theres never been a real EULA trial to compare really.
At the same note, if it DID upheld in court, is it cost effective to do that?
Darkobra
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Yes i think you should dumb it down to your own level
Ebay did not sign the EULA so whilst you can be banned, i dont think EBAY are quite breaking the law, which was the point. |
makosi
I think a gold-buying warning should be displayed at the log-in announcements beside the "Third-Party Programs" warning message. It would cut this problem drastically by clarifying Anet's standing on buying virtual items and educate those who skipped the EULA. A light threat never harmed anyone.