I've seen people shouting for tanks, only to find that Elementalist Obsidian Flesh tanks are desired.
Seeing that the classic Warrior job (Tanking) has been taken by elementalists, I'm wondering this...
Where is a Warrior useful in Domain of Anguish (any area), what build would he bring, and what purpose would he fulfill?
I"m wondering, because y Warrior is by far my favourite character, and I don't have any other characters at DoA.
Any advice/insight/information?
Thank you.
Domain Of Anguish - Are Warriors Needed?
Loshi
Lucifer PVP
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Originally Posted by Loshi
I've seen people shouting for tanks, only to find that Elementalist Obsidian Flesh tanks are desired.
Seeing that the classic Warrior job (Tanking) has been taken by elementalists, I'm wondering this...
Where is a Warrior useful in Domain of Anguish (any area), what build would he bring, and what purpose would he fulfill?
I"m wondering, because y Warrior is by far my favourite character, and I don't have any other characters at DoA.
Any advice/insight/information?
Thank you. I have beaten 3 of 4 of the DOA quests as a warrior tank with tyrian or core skills only and no not an Obsidian tank a WAMO.. the 4th quest foundry we party wiped during the 2nd quest on our 1st attempted and everytime we have tried it after we keep getting error 7s and 10s..
Seeing that the classic Warrior job (Tanking) has been taken by elementalists, I'm wondering this...
Where is a Warrior useful in Domain of Anguish (any area), what build would he bring, and what purpose would he fulfill?
I"m wondering, because y Warrior is by far my favourite character, and I don't have any other characters at DoA.
Any advice/insight/information?
Thank you. I have beaten 3 of 4 of the DOA quests as a warrior tank with tyrian or core skills only and no not an Obsidian tank a WAMO.. the 4th quest foundry we party wiped during the 2nd quest on our 1st attempted and everytime we have tried it after we keep getting error 7s and 10s..
XvArchonvX
I'm sure most if not all DoA could be accomplished by using something other than a warrior as a tank since much of what makes a character 'tankable' in that area comes in the form of buffs from other members in the group (i.e. bonders, rits, etc.). That being said, I'm sure you could also get through most if not all DoA as a tank as well.
Xiypher
Warriors will always be needed, especially as more and more people start playing in the DoA.
I would guess that 1 in 25 tanks is not a W/-, and athough there are pleanty of eles around, in general people who make and play eles like dps (and might not know the basics of making and holding aggro that a primary warrior SHOULD know), and people who make warriors like to absorb dps (and again, have probably figured out at least the basics of holding aggro.
I would guess that 1 in 25 tanks is not a W/-, and athough there are pleanty of eles around, in general people who make and play eles like dps (and might not know the basics of making and holding aggro that a primary warrior SHOULD know), and people who make warriors like to absorb dps (and again, have probably figured out at least the basics of holding aggro.
Antheus
No, they are not.
What is needed though, are players who can play tanking and agro management role.
If they happen to be playing that on a warrior, then warrior it is.
Just playing a warrior does not make you a tank, good at agro management or desirable contribution to a team.
What is needed though, are players who can play tanking and agro management role.
If they happen to be playing that on a warrior, then warrior it is.
Just playing a warrior does not make you a tank, good at agro management or desirable contribution to a team.
GloryFox
I have seen both the Ele Earth Tank and a Warrior WhammoTank in DoA and the best Tank so far has been the Warrior Tank ... the Issue is some people prefer believe the Ele builds are better for some areas.
Keep in mind that as a Tank you will Die in DoA, many, many, many, times.
Keep in mind that as a Tank you will Die in DoA, many, many, many, times.
IlikeGW
The warrior can buff his health up pretty high, and works very nicely as a tank there. It won't be fun though since as aggro manager you will be blamed for everything that happens (even when other people pull the aggro away from you. ) Have fun.
Ensign
There are a couple of specific areas where the Obsidian Flesh tank shines (namely, the cave in Ravenheart Gloom). Elsewhere, you can tank with all sorts of characters. Elementalists are the best 'pure' tanks (Obsidian Flesh plus virtually eliminating all damage), while Warriors are better for damage + tanking. Much of it comes from who and how you trust your team with off-character defenses to keep the tank alive.
In general though you can only really afford a single melee guy / tank, there are just too many spots where the second is a liability.
Peace,
-CxE
In general though you can only really afford a single melee guy / tank, there are just too many spots where the second is a liability.
Peace,
-CxE
Rera
The Warrior lasts longer without being enchanted to hell, and he doesn't take the 50% movement penalty that Obsflesh imposes. Stuff like defensive stances and Signet of Stamina+Endure/Defy Pain also means he'll survive longer if things Go Wrong (ie. his prots get stripped).
The Obsidian tank is a bit more offensive, since you're running 14~16 earth (and potentially Glyph of Elemental Power on top of that). You can bring point-blank nukes, wards, or just tons of armor enchantments. If you combine Obsidian Flesh with Armor of Earth and Kinetic Armor at 18 earth ... it's a hell of a lot of armor, and you can maintain everything by putting on Channeling and spamming stone daggers. The main weakness is the reliance on enchantments (if you get stripped or interrupted, you're done), and the mobility penalty imposed by Obsflesh.
The Obsidian tank is a bit more offensive, since you're running 14~16 earth (and potentially Glyph of Elemental Power on top of that). You can bring point-blank nukes, wards, or just tons of armor enchantments. If you combine Obsidian Flesh with Armor of Earth and Kinetic Armor at 18 earth ... it's a hell of a lot of armor, and you can maintain everything by putting on Channeling and spamming stone daggers. The main weakness is the reliance on enchantments (if you get stripped or interrupted, you're done), and the mobility penalty imposed by Obsflesh.
sage tank
In stygian veil with toucher mob.
signet of Stimina + endure pain tank > obsidian
other place, go with geo tank + stone flesh
signet of Stimina + endure pain tank > obsidian
other place, go with geo tank + stone flesh
aohige
Actually, I believe there are Chillblain titans in Foundry also. They will kill your earth ele in a blink.
Which is why we ditched using geomancer to tank, and instead had the Warrior tank out.
In Stygian, we used Sig stamina + Endure Pain + Defy Pain + Bonds/Barrier/Balthazar/Essence + Symbiosis.
Needless to say, his HP was pretty rediculous.
Only problem with that is, grenth balance..... hurts.....like...a....mother... *dies*
Which is why we ditched using geomancer to tank, and instead had the Warrior tank out.
In Stygian, we used Sig stamina + Endure Pain + Defy Pain + Bonds/Barrier/Balthazar/Essence + Symbiosis.
Needless to say, his HP was pretty rediculous.
Only problem with that is, grenth balance..... hurts.....like...a....mother... *dies*
Maxiemonster
In Gloom and City, an OF Tank is better, but in the other two, warriors can be very useful. You can still get a group for Gloom and City though, since there aren't many OF Tanks, and a Warrior will do most of the time.
AlienFromBeyond
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Originally Posted by aohige
In Stygian, we used Sig stamina + Endure Pain + Defy Pain + Bonds/Barrier/Balthazar/Essence + Symbiosis.
I don't use Sig of Stamina because I feel I cann't charge Defy Pain quickly enough to keep it constantly up, as the more health you get the more damage that needs to be done to do 1% damage for 1 point of adrenaline.
Lucifer PVP
I run this and have beaten all 4 overlords on my warrior with my build.
The Tanko Build--
Bonetti's Defense
Armor of Earth
StoneFlesh Aura
Dolyak Signet
Lightbringers Signet
Lightbringers Gaze
Signet Of stamina
Ward Against Melee or foes
Earth Magic 12
Strength 14
Tactics 3
Lightbringers Signet and bonettis are for energy and Have a monk with SB
With spell breaker and heal party on a monk you can tank for hours with taking Zero Damage from anything in game except degs and armor negating damage ergo the touchers inwhich you would have to change out lightbringers for charge and just have team spread out and run around
My hp is around 900
The Tanko Build--
Bonetti's Defense
Armor of Earth
StoneFlesh Aura
Dolyak Signet
Lightbringers Signet
Lightbringers Gaze
Signet Of stamina
Ward Against Melee or foes
Earth Magic 12
Strength 14
Tactics 3
Lightbringers Signet and bonettis are for energy and Have a monk with SB
With spell breaker and heal party on a monk you can tank for hours with taking Zero Damage from anything in game except degs and armor negating damage ergo the touchers inwhich you would have to change out lightbringers for charge and just have team spread out and run around
My hp is around 900
Etrik
Something like Lucifer's build, but with ObsidianFlesh instead of Signet, since you have 12 earth. QZ+Weapon of Quickening = win.
Soma Cruz
depends what build your group is... some group take dervish as tank, well with the right skill war is always the best tank.
Lucifer PVP
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Originally Posted by Etrik
Something like Lucifer's build, but with ObsidianFlesh instead of Signet, since you have 12 earth. QZ+Weapon of Quickening = win.
Main reason i ran the signet is for the energy because of the high cost of the earth skills. Obsidan flesh has its uses but if you have a good monk with Spell break it isn't needed. Or you could go Obsidan flesh but you are now relying on a bip to have the energy to cast..
Etrik
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Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP
Main reason i ran the signet is for the energy because of the high cost of the earth skills. Obsidan flesh has its uses but if you have a good monk with Spell break it isn't needed. Or you could go Obsidan flesh but you are now relying on a bip to have the energy to cast..
No you're not. A BiP would have to be well beyond emo to go up to you and use BiP while you're tanking.
artay
Mwuaahhahahhaha the day has finally come when elementalists have eliminated the use for tanks!
*off to plot more plans*
/ontopic- since i havent been to doa i wouldnt kno, but it sounds like obsid tank are the way to go.
*off to plot more plans*
/ontopic- since i havent been to doa i wouldnt kno, but it sounds like obsid tank are the way to go.
Etrik
Not necessarily. Sins, Dervishes, Warriors can tank just fine too. And they eliminate the need for a WoQ rit too ^.^.
pve-er
wow, I never know Sin can tank though, maybe someone will want my sin in tehir party lol
XvArchonvX
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Originally Posted by sage tank
In stygian veil with toucher mob.
signet of Stimina + endure pain tank > obsidian
other place, go with geo tank + stone flesh Symbiosis makes a Geo tank stronger than a pure tank there. With as many enchants as a geo tank will have on them, they will have huge amounts of health. Not only that, but a Dwayna's kiss on them will do an insane amount of healing on them too. Relying on Endure Pain for increased health is pretty dangerous due to the short time that it will actually last.
signet of Stimina + endure pain tank > obsidian
other place, go with geo tank + stone flesh Symbiosis makes a Geo tank stronger than a pure tank there. With as many enchants as a geo tank will have on them, they will have huge amounts of health. Not only that, but a Dwayna's kiss on them will do an insane amount of healing on them too. Relying on Endure Pain for increased health is pretty dangerous due to the short time that it will actually last.
Kalki
The best tank will always be the player that understands the most about aggro, can communicate with the rest of his or her team, make good pulls, and set up perfect body blocks.
Each profession has some tanking potential, and might even outshine the warrior in some situations, but you can't ignore a warriors higher armor and absorption. When the enchants come down, pound for pound a warrior is still the best tank. Signet of Stamina and Endure Pain help immensely as well.
Each profession has some tanking potential, and might even outshine the warrior in some situations, but you can't ignore a warriors higher armor and absorption. When the enchants come down, pound for pound a warrior is still the best tank. Signet of Stamina and Endure Pain help immensely as well.
Lavindathar
Personally, I think a Dervish is a much better tank.
AL = 134 (or 174 depending on build.
Natural armour of 70. Balth avatar. 110. Conviction. 134. Physical/Ele Resistance = 174.
Combine that with SoA, SB or whatever from your monks, your on a pretty good basis for a tank. Plus if you mess around with your attributes, you can either use the Scythe for the 40 odd damage, (and hit the other foes as well), or use Dust Cloak/Heart of Holy Flame for 50-60 damage to all surrounding foes.
AL = 134 (or 174 depending on build.
Natural armour of 70. Balth avatar. 110. Conviction. 134. Physical/Ele Resistance = 174.
Combine that with SoA, SB or whatever from your monks, your on a pretty good basis for a tank. Plus if you mess around with your attributes, you can either use the Scythe for the 40 odd damage, (and hit the other foes as well), or use Dust Cloak/Heart of Holy Flame for 50-60 damage to all surrounding foes.
Lucifer PVP
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Originally Posted by Etrik
No you're not. A BiP would have to be well beyond emo to go up to you and use BiP while you're tanking.
Well each his own, i have beaten all the quests with the way i did it and you can beat it your own way, but that comment doesn't make a large amount of sense since you are suggesting for a warrior to run obsidan flesh with armor of earth and stoneflesh... think about the energy, i guess you are thinking BR touch instead of Bip which is cast, but i didn't run obsidan flesh.
in torrment a vow of silent dervish would be ideal with a stance armor build.
Vow recharge is less the what it last so the only thing you have to worry about is melee dmg
in torrment a vow of silent dervish would be ideal with a stance armor build.
Vow recharge is less the what it last so the only thing you have to worry about is melee dmg
Myster Grim
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP
I run this and have beaten all 4 overlords on my warrior
TheTanko Build--
Bonetti's Defense
Armor of Earth
StoneFlesh Aura
Dolyak Signet
Lightbringers Signet
Lightbringers Gaze
Signet Of stamina
Ward Against Melee or foes
Earth Magic 12
Strength 14
Tactics 3
Lightbringers Signet and bonettis are for energy and Have a monk with SB
With spell breaker and heal party on a monk you can tank for hours with taking Zero Damage from anything in game except degs and armor negating damage ergo the touchers inwhich you would have to change out lightbringers for charge and just have team spread out and run around
My hp is around 900 Do you mean base 900 hp ? ok i built mine i see i have 923 HP with Sig of Stamina up. I think you are right this is the tank for DOA.
TheTanko Build--
Bonetti's Defense
Armor of Earth
StoneFlesh Aura
Dolyak Signet
Lightbringers Signet
Lightbringers Gaze
Signet Of stamina
Ward Against Melee or foes
Earth Magic 12
Strength 14
Tactics 3
Lightbringers Signet and bonettis are for energy and Have a monk with SB
With spell breaker and heal party on a monk you can tank for hours with taking Zero Damage from anything in game except degs and armor negating damage ergo the touchers inwhich you would have to change out lightbringers for charge and just have team spread out and run around
My hp is around 900 Do you mean base 900 hp ? ok i built mine i see i have 923 HP with Sig of Stamina up. I think you are right this is the tank for DOA.
Burst Cancel
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Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP
in torrment a vow of silent dervish would be ideal with a stance armor build.
Vow recharge is less the what it last so the only thing you have to worry about is melee dmg Vow of Silence prevents you from being targetted by any spells, including your own spells and those of your allies. You cannot use Vow of Silence on yourself while the effect is up, which guarantees a 1s window every 11s where the enemy can cast on you.
Warriors will have more health than Elementalists both with and without Symbiosis, making them the tank of choice for Veil.
Vow recharge is less the what it last so the only thing you have to worry about is melee dmg Vow of Silence prevents you from being targetted by any spells, including your own spells and those of your allies. You cannot use Vow of Silence on yourself while the effect is up, which guarantees a 1s window every 11s where the enemy can cast on you.
Warriors will have more health than Elementalists both with and without Symbiosis, making them the tank of choice for Veil.
Lucifer PVP
Quote:
Originally Posted by Myster Grim
Do you mean base 900 hp ? ok i built mine i see i have 923 HP with Sig of Stamina up. I think you are right this is the tank for DOA.
Ya the base isn't 900 it is around 600, the build will either work very well or suck, exhigh energy cost mind wrack famine etc really hurt the build.
and burst cancel i am not saying use it but if must use a dervish to tank it would be usefull in some areas and could still be healed with signet skills
and burst cancel i am not saying use it but if must use a dervish to tank it would be usefull in some areas and could still be healed with signet skills