What is Anet's take on "Leeching"?

Way to completely miss the point. I wasn't comparing the "level", I was comparing that both of them are clearly PvP arenas, and having non-player objectives, or even a non-player PRIMARY objective, does not disqualify them from such.

The fact that people consider them PvE is ridiculous.

Here's a reality check: One ranger can pin the turtle squad indefinitely. Ignoring persistant amber runners is a terrific way to lose. The simple fact is that you have to push through the players to reach the objectives on either side, and simply "going for the objectives" and ignoring the players will often just get you dead. Never mind if the Kurzicks have so much as one monk, in which case you NEED to get a decent spearhead to kick down the gates.

does it matter?

jade and amber arn't exactly hugely valuable anymore. when i used to go play FA we'd get leechers probally at least 1 all the time not something thats an issue.

leechers are just inferior lesser skilled gamers with short attention spans, feel good that your superior and actually play.

I'm pretty sure they've already given us their stance on it before, something like "leeching is lame and sad that it takes place, but they are not violating the UELA so there's nothing we can do about it."

If people are leeching, just leave. They can't gain any faction if everyone leaves and will just be wasting their time.

What a cop-out. Who cares why people play the map? Last I checked, GvG doesn't give ANYTHING exchangable for money, so perhaps there's a bit more to PvP than getting rich?

As far as "not violating the EULA", I looked up the post, it seemed more like they didn't really have a method for looking up activity records of that sort. The EULA not covering something isn't a problem, they can update the EULA/TOS any time they want.

Objection!

http://www.guildwars.com/competitive/gwwc/

Last I checked, those checks given to people at the end of that? Those were exchangeable for money.

Ah yes, guess I will start leeching GvG matches now.

Another utterly pointless comment.

Anyway;

The comment about removing FA and JQ, I dont agree with. I actually like them now. I didnt at first because, but then I completed all 3 games and I was bored.

Now im trying to increase my luxon faction level to get higher titles. This means im obviously spending every waking hour in FA just continually playing that challenge.

I originally posted this thread because the constant number of leachers astounded me. Ranging from 1 leacher to actually about 4 in a team.

There was even one point when we only had 1 member attacking, while 2 had left and the rest were leaching.

But I have to admit my attitude has somewhat swayed to appreciating why they do it.

Ive spent the last 2 weeks in there, playing over and over and over and over again. The constant grind just gets to you. I really want a higher luxon rank, or to alteast reach "friend of.." but its going to take constant fighting and its loosing its apeal.

There has been a few times myself when ive pressed "enter battle" and actually just walked off and not given it a thought. I know its wrong, but when youve done that thing 100 times, you stop caring to be honest.

This makes me a complete hypercrit I know going by my original post, but in a way Anet incourages this by making us grind for titles.

Can you honestly imagine someone playing properly, constantly, 100% of the time, through FA until they got the max title?

I very much doubt it. No one could possible play FA continually until they had the max title. They would have to resort to leaching at one point or another, just to give themselves a break.

You do realise that the max title is 10 million points right?

At one stage I actually tried leeching continuously for a week. At the rate of 20K faction a day to max the title would take 2 years. 24/7.

Ridiculous. What a waste of effort.

I think that is very unfair. There is no way to know when you form a pug if a member is going to leech. I have had people join my teams and been perfectly chatty and involved until we enter a mission and then leech from that point on. Sometimes even taunting the group about it.

Obviously if a leader takes someone they know to be a leech from past experience then it is their own fault.

I always try for a group consensus to go back if a person is abviously leeching. A leech can profit by their actions as they can move through the game, get rewards etc.

If you can provide me with a way to screen out leeches from a pug before entering a mission, and you seem to think I am an idiot for not being able to do so, then I would be genuinely pleased if you would share it.

That was kind of my point. But ive nothing else to do in the game, as ive done everything.

Getting lightbringer points is even less fun, having to go back and forth to the same location.

The only titles I have left to achieve or mind-numbing grinding ones.

I have KOABD with exploration and protector, so there isnt many fun ones left to get.

As for leechers in FA not violating UELA...

technically, no, if the player is sitting in front of the computer, and clicking "enter" every time.

However, in most cases, these users are using third-party program that automatically clicks "enter mission" whenever a battle ends.
Hence, what they are doing is clearly "botting", and DOES violate UELA.

A.net does not penaltize your account for purposely AFKing, but they DO have policy against third-party bots.
So yeah, I believe some form of action should be taking place in FA.

Well I'm surprised and not surprised that Anet doesn't care about leeching.

I'm surprised because they will do nothing even though this ruins an aspect of the game for many people. I hated my faction missions when I had 3/4 leechers - sucked the fun out of it.

But I'm not surprised as Anet can't think of any effective way to combat it so it's a case of - well it's ok and "works as intended" - using this as a cover statement.

They can make farming difficult so that allows them to say "farming=bad" but as they can't do anything about leeching they say it's fine to do that....

Double standards....hmmm....

Well perhaps you should try leeching then, you can't even get 2K for an ENTIRE NIGHT worth of leeching. With farming you can probably get 20K in an hour if you are lucky.

Different story altogether.

Fort Aspenwood (Alliance Battle)

The difference isnt actually that huge. I tested it the other night.

The difference is only around 200-300 faction each time, even if you win.

Regarding alliance battles:

Leachers ruin other's people fun in this game.

That sentence alone should be the reason for ArenaNet to do something against leachers and the possibility of leaching.

Gaile has said that Leechers aren't breaking any rules with their actions...in fact that they are really doing...anything.

But I agree, Leechers are very very annoying.

Well i dislike Leachers there super annoying in there selfish ways but there is virtually no way to tell weither a person is leaching or not. A person could go afk to answer the door / phone etc. Anet cant tell whos is leaching and who isnt. Therefor they cant do alot about it.

I think its been mentioned before:

One day, all the Leeches from both side perhaps will all enter FA together and get stuck there afk leeching each other for all eternity or until their computer self-destructs.

I will pray for that!

Actually for once the kurzicks actually win on that.

Um - I don't remember saying that you could get rich that way.
The fact is that in order to progress the factions PVE side you have to actually reach a faction total - I think it's 10k so it's very feasible to leech and reach that.
You also have to understand that some people absolutely HATE PVP and factions forces you to do this - I wouldn't be surprised if those people would rather leech than play.

The point of my post is that I find it hard to understand how Anet considers leeching - which many people hate and find ruins groups doing FA - perfectly ok and yet want to nerf all solo farming which doesn't harm anyone else in any group.

Solo farming for me is like playing a game on "nightmare" difficultly - I believe people should be allowed to play the game at whatever difficulty they want.
Obviously Anet disagrees or else they agree but it's overridden by Anets hate of commercial farmers....

Uh, wait, hold on.... what?

You are not forced to play PvP in Factions.
Did you forget the dozens of quests available that gives you factions points, as well as repeatable ones that does?
You are NOT forced play Fort Aspenwood to obtain faction points of 10k.
You can easily get 10k factions by completing multiple quests.

Doing quest runs for 10 times to farm the remaining faction vs standing in FA for an hour.

Geez, that's a very good choice... heavily laden with morality too!

If Anet didn't insist on making the gates locked which depends on completion of stupid quests perhaps people wouldn't have been so annoyed by it.