Why didn't Henge of Denravi make it as a city?
ischuros
In Tyria there are four 'cities', but only three of these are really cities. Lion's Arch, Ascalon City and Droknar's Forge are all big trading outposts and could be properly classed as cities. Henge of Denravi, meanqhile, never got it's true status as a city. In-game it was, it is as big as the other three, with all the services. Was it position, or merely aesthetics that failed Denravi, and what, in your opinions, is the reason why it didn't become a major trading outpost?
lacasner
You can make the same case for amnoon oasis I think, but really I am not sure.
Bankai
It's mainly because Maguuma is just empty. There's a total of 3/4 quests and 2 mission I think. There's no reason at all to go there.
Plus, a lot of people skip it by getting a run to sanctum cay.
Plus, a lot of people skip it by getting a run to sanctum cay.
lacasner
I wish that Anet made it so every area had some endgame content or cool features, so that in tyria not all people just go to droks or ROF and stay there. I want some openendedness!!
RSGashapon
Because Wal-mart didn't determine them to be viable locations for a Supercenter?Going by game lore though, it may have had to do with population densities or trade routes that doomed HoD and Amnoon to be rather bleak places not fit for urban development. Denravi is out in the middle of a jungle and Amnoon is in a parched desert. Not exactly key living areas, when Lion's Arch is a coastal city which leads itself to a natural trading area (and not just for ingame goodies, that'd be the case if it were a real world location).
Angel Develin
Ascalon is the first place where a new character go to start a game so it's good for trades.
Lion's arch is the place that teleport ppl to other places like kamadan or kaining so it's also a good place to do trade or hang out or run ppl.
Droknaar is where ppl can buy max armor so it is a good place for runners/buyer/sellers, and it's the last big city.
Henge of Denravi is a town where you do not stay long in there, you just fallow the story line again and it's "destroyed" in zhe war
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Amnoon is a ghost town so i gues you have to be a ghost to like to stay there :P .
Lion's arch is the place that teleport ppl to other places like kamadan or kaining so it's also a good place to do trade or hang out or run ppl.
Droknaar is where ppl can buy max armor so it is a good place for runners/buyer/sellers, and it's the last big city.
Henge of Denravi is a town where you do not stay long in there, you just fallow the story line again and it's "destroyed" in zhe war
.Amnoon is a ghost town so i gues you have to be a ghost to like to stay there :P .
stiffler
They really need to add something to Henge to get some life back over there. A new elite mission for Tyria would be nice, why not put the portal at HoD.
Glitched
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They really need to add something to Henge to get some life back over there. A new elite mission for Tyria would be nice, why not put the portal at HoD.
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Loralai
HoD is one of those places I curse when I'm there. Nothing is in a viable spot to facilitate trade, especially the Xunlai, which is generally the heart of any popular GW trade outpost.
Former Ruling
The fact is The Jungle itself is empty - making it empty too.
Most people going through the game again don't even visit the Jungle because its quite easy just to go south from ToA and go directly to Sanctum Cay and the desert.
The other cities are obvious trade hubs because of their positioning.
Most people going through the game again don't even visit the Jungle because its quite easy just to go south from ToA and go directly to Sanctum Cay and the desert.
The other cities are obvious trade hubs because of their positioning.
gamecube187
I think that Denravi is abandoned for basically the same reason that few people seem to go to amnoon oasis. You don't have to go to either of those places to get to where the max armor is, because of things like running. Also, you don't have to go to those two places to get to the end game content either (southern shiverpeaks and fire islands).
The only reason to go to those two places is if you want to get the protector title, go to every town in proph, or want to do every quest.
Now ascalon, you have to go there if you are a proph character. For LA, you have to go there if you want to go to another chapter or are comming from another chapter. Droks is the first place with max armor, but now that you can get max armor earlier and easier (by going to another chapter), Droks is often deserted too.
The only reason to go to those two places is if you want to get the protector title, go to every town in proph, or want to do every quest.
Now ascalon, you have to go there if you are a proph character. For LA, you have to go there if you want to go to another chapter or are comming from another chapter. Droks is the first place with max armor, but now that you can get max armor earlier and easier (by going to another chapter), Droks is often deserted too.
Faer
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Also, you don't have to go to those two places to get to the end game content either (southern shiverpeaks and fire islands).
The only reason to go to those two places is if you want to get the protector title, go to every town in proph, or want to do every quest. |
But that's all it really is... Just another minor stop in the long road to nowhere...
jimmy_logic
Hehehe... you can say those things about real life towns and cities. Some places you just drive through and don't stop. 
Samuel Anders
I think Amnoon Oasis and Henge of Denravi aren't decent places for cities because the Xunlai Agents are farther away from the traders. Checking the current prices of stuff in your storage is a royal pain in those cities.
It's still a royal pain to do it in Drok's, too, but at least you can buy elite armor there, so everyone needs to buy items, anyway.
It's still a royal pain to do it in Drok's, too, but at least you can buy elite armor there, so everyone needs to buy items, anyway.
Haggard
I'm suprised that as many people still trade in these places - everyone's kind of moved on from droknars armour and such with the new games..
lacasner
Still, a lot of people like the skins there, such as wyvern or "ass"calon armor lol
Antheus
Lion's Arch served as an entry point to PvP arenas (before the isles). It was the first place to offer sigs of capture. It had very strong historic meaning from beta events. It was the non-noob city compared to Ascalon. And it served as primary staging area for all the events.
In desert, the central city is the augury rock. It's tied to ascenscion, and is the end-point of all 3 missions, and a popular farming place (although much less). The Oasis is merely a transition point when entering the desert.
Droks is obviously the max armor, but also the ending point of several quest arcs. Since it's primary function is for armor, material trade evolved there. It's also a convenient runner's stopping point, either from Beacon's, or towards other shiverpeaks areas. Then, there is, or was Troll farming.
In Maguuma, the only place frequented is the Ventari's Refuge. While not really busy, it does have its moments, mostly due to converging point of several quests.
But back to Denravi. One of major issues with Denravi is, that's it's an endpoint, not a hub. Continuing the storyline there teleports you into next area. As such, there's no possibility to run around, and that pushed most of the activity beyond Denravi. Another reason is that another hub wasn't needed, especially not one in such a transitional location. Denravi cannot be reached by runners between ToA and Sanctum Kay, so only way to get there is all around through the jungle.. This alone excluded Denravi from developing. LA and Droks didn't suffer from this, since they are at crucial crossroads in game. If the passage from Riverside to Denravi were runnable, the city would develop.
In desert, the central city is the augury rock. It's tied to ascenscion, and is the end-point of all 3 missions, and a popular farming place (although much less). The Oasis is merely a transition point when entering the desert.
Droks is obviously the max armor, but also the ending point of several quest arcs. Since it's primary function is for armor, material trade evolved there. It's also a convenient runner's stopping point, either from Beacon's, or towards other shiverpeaks areas. Then, there is, or was Troll farming.
In Maguuma, the only place frequented is the Ventari's Refuge. While not really busy, it does have its moments, mostly due to converging point of several quests.
But back to Denravi. One of major issues with Denravi is, that's it's an endpoint, not a hub. Continuing the storyline there teleports you into next area. As such, there's no possibility to run around, and that pushed most of the activity beyond Denravi. Another reason is that another hub wasn't needed, especially not one in such a transitional location. Denravi cannot be reached by runners between ToA and Sanctum Kay, so only way to get there is all around through the jungle.. This alone excluded Denravi from developing. LA and Droks didn't suffer from this, since they are at crucial crossroads in game. If the passage from Riverside to Denravi were runnable, the city would develop.
xxSilhouette
Well ascalon is obviously big beacuse its the first city, LA is a main point IMO, since they have the halloween events there, and since its the first place you can go when you take a elonian or canthan character to tyria, and drokners was always big beacuse of max armor.
There was nothing ever really significant about henge, no special armor there, no special anything their really. Its a pretty town though.
There was nothing ever really significant about henge, no special armor there, no special anything their really. Its a pretty town though.
Shaden
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Well ascalon is obviously big beacuse its the first city, LA is a main point IMO, since they have the halloween events there, and since its the first place you can go when you take a elonian or canthan character to tyria, and drokners was always big beacuse of max armor.
There was nothing ever really significant about henge, no special armor there, no special anything their really. Its a pretty town though. |
Age
There is one special piece of armour you can get at Henge and that is the LT. Halmet as well as there use to be a certain sword you could get.The amour at Henge isn't bad but Amnoon is better as I bought my Rangers armour there and used it all the way through the game.Droks is just central city where other do trade as well as to set out to farm.I do go to Henge once in awhile but not much is happening there it could be good place to have meeting with friends or an RP event.
xxSilhouette
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Actually, there is that helm you can obtain here from the armor trader. So, it is special, but only slightly. But yes, those are pretty much the reasons it never fully developed. To bad Maguuma areas are my favorite places in Prophecies, it's quite lonely.
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Also one of my favorite spots. i think its a gorgeous place. But, at least with it being empty, I can get good SS's there without other characters in the background
Malice Black
I use to conduct most of my trades there. Nice quiet place with no trade spam.
Former Ruling
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It described Lion's Arch as a point in the game that you were GOOD if you got there, using sentences like "You can progress through the long string of missions, or you can travel through some very hard cave areas with enemies that even level20's fear!" or something like that. :\
ischuros
So LA and Ascalon made simply because of their position in the story line. Droks and LA were major trading posts, but since the new chapters have come out, Droks has declined in importance. LA is then the only real 'city' left in Tyria, because it is a port to other chapters. What, then, is the capital city of the world of Guild Wars? is it Kodash Bazar(sp), or Kaineng, or is it still LA?
mrcake
The jungle just plain sucks and most people avboid it, everyone passess through amnoon but once they get to augry rock that is where the majority of people gather for hydra farming, queen farming and the rest of the desert is accessible from there.. at least it used to be it's probably just as empty now lol
Dawnspire
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The jungle just plain sucks and most people avboid it, everyone passess through amnoon but once they get to augry rock that is where the majority of people gather for hydra farming, queen farming and the rest of the desert is accessible from there.. at least it used to be it's probably just as empty now lol
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Maria The Princess
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So LA and Ascalon made simply because of their position in the story line. Droks and LA were major trading posts, but since the new chapters have come out, Droks has declined in importance. LA is then the only real 'city' left in Tyria, because it is a port to other chapters. What, then, is the capital city of the world of Guild Wars? is it Kodash Bazar(sp), or Kaineng, or is it still LA?
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Droks and ascalon are still trade centers, but secondary. i wouldnt say that LA is the only "city" left
GODh
Well, since the release of Nightfall even Droknar is looking like a ghosttown lately (especially after midnight)...
Personally i like the jungle, but i also remember that i hated those poisonous spiders when i came there with my 1st character (elementalist with no heal :S)... but after finishing the game with 3 chars i didnt wanted to do every quest anymore. The easiest way to do that is to goto Sanctum Cay from ToA (so skipping the whole Jungle area). I think many players feel the same about that...
Personally i like the jungle, but i also remember that i hated those poisonous spiders when i came there with my 1st character (elementalist with no heal :S)... but after finishing the game with 3 chars i didnt wanted to do every quest anymore. The easiest way to do that is to goto Sanctum Cay from ToA (so skipping the whole Jungle area). I think many players feel the same about that...
MegaMouse
As far as Amnoon Oasis is concerned that is a place that you have to go to. You automaticaly get dropped there from Sanctum Cay's mission and that is the first town in the desert that you visit. That makes it a portal of sorts in you must go there to ascend. Certian quests cannot be done without going through the desert and that is a big reason for it. If you are a Tyrian you must go through the desert or you will not be able to get into UW or FOW due to you not ascending.
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ischuros
That leads to another question of mine. If you ascend your Tyrian born in Cantha (Wen no Shu) are they ascened? Can they do UW and FoW?
Griff Mon
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Don't forget though, you do have to pass through Amnoon if you wish to Ascend, get your last 30 attribute points, and cap certain elite skills.
But that's all it really is... Just another minor stop in the long road to nowhere... |
Griff Mon
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Originally Posted by Faer
Don't forget though, you do have to pass through Amnoon if you wish to Ascend, get your last 30 attribute points, and cap certain elite skills.
But that's all it really is... Just another minor stop in the long road to nowhere... |
Unheard Echo
Where is this Crystal Desert Overlook portal? I don't recall seeing or hearing of it before.
ischuros
I think it is in the north of the Desolation. Tyria and Elona are part of the same landmass, so it would make sense for it to be there.
Carth`
For HoD, 2 reasons.
1. The jungle is the least played part of the game, people hated it and it is easy to skip the whole area with a simple and cheap run, or even fighting with henchmen for 20 mins.
2. Storage was a 2 min walk from all the other services. Worst designed city ever. It was quicker to map to another outpost and get what you want from storage, then come back, than walking to it in HoD.
For Amnoon Oasis:
Augury Rock was a centralised outpost that had enough services, and was the more convenient desert location. When you arrive in Amnoon Oasis, generally the first thing you want to do is get to Augury Rock because that is the main hub for the desert through which trade and runners go.
1. The jungle is the least played part of the game, people hated it and it is easy to skip the whole area with a simple and cheap run, or even fighting with henchmen for 20 mins.
2. Storage was a 2 min walk from all the other services. Worst designed city ever. It was quicker to map to another outpost and get what you want from storage, then come back, than walking to it in HoD.
For Amnoon Oasis:
Augury Rock was a centralised outpost that had enough services, and was the more convenient desert location. When you arrive in Amnoon Oasis, generally the first thing you want to do is get to Augury Rock because that is the main hub for the desert through which trade and runners go.
Fluim
Henge of Denravi didn't make it as a city because of a couple of reasons:
- No quests start here. Only the main quest to get to Riverside Province, In ascalon, LA are lots of quest which can be done
- There's nothing else for us to do there. No quests in the surrounding area's like Tangle Root and Dry Top. it's empty, not much excitement there.
- No farming here. At droks, before the update, people get powerlvled at farming Trolls.
- The Sanctum Cay Run
As a poster before me said, Ascalon and LA and Droks too are places people "can't avoid". Much player travel rom kaineng center to LA, and a lot of new players get to ascalon just after they left Pre. these are the reasons i think HoD didn't become a grat city like droks or LA
- No quests start here. Only the main quest to get to Riverside Province, In ascalon, LA are lots of quest which can be done
- There's nothing else for us to do there. No quests in the surrounding area's like Tangle Root and Dry Top. it's empty, not much excitement there.
- No farming here. At droks, before the update, people get powerlvled at farming Trolls.
- The Sanctum Cay Run
As a poster before me said, Ascalon and LA and Droks too are places people "can't avoid". Much player travel rom kaineng center to LA, and a lot of new players get to ascalon just after they left Pre. these are the reasons i think HoD didn't become a grat city like droks or LA
Jeff Highwind
Henge also died due to the loss of the +5e weapons.
Griff Mon
The portal to the Crystal desert is in the far northwest corner of the Elona Map. You have to be near game end to get there, and you need to be able to ride the worms to get there as well. The portal is two way, you can return via the Crystal Desert. It drops you off in the Arid Sea on the south perimeter. If you can't ride worms or don't have the right game account, the gatekeeper will not let you through. There is even a quest in Elona that requires that you go to the Crystal Desert and pass through Augrey Rock.