A thought reguarding the Artificer's Insignia and an idea I had...

DeathByBowtie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Michigan

BGP Army [BGP]

11 Dec 2006 at 07:02 - 1

I was scrolling through the rune trader earlier and saw the Artificer's Insignia (+3 armor for each equipped signet), and I thought to myself, "I wonder if anyone's ever tried to make an all-signet build?" I gave it some more thought and decided that (in my mind, at least) it seems like a pretty doable idea. I toyed around with it a bit, and came up with what seemed to be a decent warrior hate build. (Keep in mind I haven't tested this yet, just thought it up.)

Me/Mo
Smiting Prayers: 12
Inspiration Magic: 12+3+1
Illusion Magic: 3+1

All armor with Artificer's Insignias, Inspiration headpiece, Superior Inspiration rune, Minor Illusion rune, Superior Vigor rune, and two Vitae runes. Any wand or staff you please, I have a Defensive Scrying Glass Staff of Defense.

1. [skill=text]Mantra of Inscriptions[/skill]
2. [skill=text]Signet of Judgment[/skill]
3. [skill=text]Signet of Clumsiness[/skill]
4. [skill=text]Signet of Rage[/skill]
5. [skill=text]Bane Signet[/skill]
6. [skill=text]Leech Signet[/skill]
7. [skill=text]Signet of Disruption[/skill]
8. [skill=text]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

With three knockdowns, two interrupts (both of which can [potentially] interrupt any skills), plenty of damage against adrenaline-based warriors, a boatload of armor (60+21+10=91), and complete resistance to energy denial, it seems like it could be quite viable.

(Just FYI, the only mesmering I've done is some virulence spiking in AB, so take it easy on me

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Ulivious The Reaper

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

The Shadowed Assassins

W/Mo

11 Dec 2006 at 07:05 - 2

nice idea my friend, however i'd suggest you change out the SoJ for Keystone signet, and recharge all the signets instant :P but thats just my opinion, and yes i wondered "what use is +3 armor for each signet..." and you answered that question

and with keystone signet you can change out mantra for somthing else maybe another signet?!

Effigy

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Illinois, US

Heroes of Talia [HoT]

Mo/

11 Dec 2006 at 14:02 - 3

The only problem is that SoJ is going to be one of his main damage/KD skills. Keystone would recharge the other signets, but I'm not sure if that would necessarily be more beneficial than having SoJ.

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

11 Dec 2006 at 15:13 - 4

Signet mesmers are nothing new my friend :P

But this Insignia really did strike me as odd, as to my knowledge no other armor upgrade has the potential to give the wearer a +24AL armor boost.

DeathByBowtie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Michigan

BGP Army [BGP]

11 Dec 2006 at 16:36 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulivious The Reaper

and with keystone signet you can change out mantra for somthing else maybe another signet?!

My thought with [skill=text]Keystone Signet[/skill] is that it's a 30 second recharge, so you use all your skills twice, then your dead in the water for ~15 seconds while you wait for everything to recharge. SoJ + Mantra of Inscriptions seemed much more useful for keeping you going continuously.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vahn Roi

Signet mesmers are nothing new my friend :P

But this Insignia really did strike me as odd, as to my knowledge no other armor upgrade has the potential to give the wearer a +24AL armor boost. Yeah, I didn't figure a signet mesmer would be totally unheard of, but I figured it was worth a shot. Plus, the idea of having more armor than a warrior amused me greatly.

I tried playing this on the Isle of the Nameless a little last night, and my hat goes off to you mesmer folks... I couldn't play it for the life of me. (My timing = teh suck.)

Vahn Roi

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2006

[HiDE]

12 Dec 2006 at 03:49 - 6

An experienced mesmer is really something to see. I will give you that, but the problem I have with signets is the fact that they aren't effected by fast casting. It's much easier to interrupt something when you are using a .25s spell with high FC ;3

Btw. how do you post your skills in such a way that the info appears when you hover over the skill name?

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

12 Dec 2006 at 04:52 - 7

Hit quote on the OPs post and to see the code to do it.
I tried to post it here, but don't know how without it actually showing what it's supposed to show. I even tried putting it in a code box.

sadge man

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

silenced screams

Me/Mo

13 Dec 2006 at 06:15 - 8

yea the idea of a mesmer havng more armour than a warrior is amusing, im going to try this definitly, as I have always wanted to hve good armour with a good energy scource, this seems to be the key.Although it might need a bit of tweaking

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

13 Dec 2006 at 07:38 - 9

There was a good Me/A signet master build posted a while ago.
Let me look for it.

Here it is. You can probably mess with it some to add a couple more signets in there, especially signets in inspiration as the build has very high inspiration.
It is a very cool build. Thanks to the author for posting it, as I tried it and enjoyed it.
The Signet Master

necrosfeelyaks

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2006

Error Seven Opperators [Call]

Mo/

14 Dec 2006 at 03:57 - 10

u mean less armor than a warrior... warrior = 80+16 +20 vs physical, u = 91...

sadge man

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2006

silenced screams

Me/Mo

14 Dec 2006 at 04:43 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by necrosfeelyaks

u mean less armor than a warrior... warrior = 80+16 +20 vs physical, u = 91... well its close

Redfeather1975

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

Apartment#306

Rhedd Asylum

Me/

14 Dec 2006 at 09:11 - 12

Don't worry about necrosfeelyak. He is just trolling this forum in the past day to criticize the mesmer profession.

Lady Lozza

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Angel Sharks

Me/N

16 Dec 2006 at 03:37 - 13

DeathByBowtie

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: May 2006

Michigan

BGP Army [BGP]

16 Dec 2006 at 16:18 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

Hmm, well assuming his wammo calculation is correct, a mesmer with a full 8 signets would get:

60 + 3*8(24) + 10 (+5,+5 staff) = 94 unconditional

94 > 91 - well it was in the last maths course I took.

And mesmers can use shields aswell, if they really want to, so it could be as much as:

60 + 24 +5(wrap on weapon of some sort) + 16 = 105

Yes, a warrior with sentinel's would still beat it but then the idea of the warrior is that they have more armour. Problem with a shield is that you have to have 9 in Tactics to get the full 16 armor, or use a req-less shield with a lower armor, in which case you might be better off using the Defensive... of Defense staff, since I can't imagine a req'less shield having more than 10 armor (I don't know that for a fact though).