no more assassin hate
Dutch Masterr
when nightfall came out, i created a ranger and beat it within a week. after a few more weeks i got the protector of elona title and started to pvp more often again. i was testing out some of the new assassin skills and to see how they stood up against all the new builds. i was having a good time so i decided to make a pve assassin. i remember back in may-june everyone absolutley hated having assassins in their groups. well, i got through factions even though it was basically deserted and decided to take him over to nightfall, mainly to cap shadow prison. to my amazement, i found groups extremley easily. i went there expecting to spend hours just finding groups like i used to on my old assassin, which i eventually deleted because i thought they sucked. since then i learned how to use an assassin properly and found out their power. has the assassin gained more respect since the release of nightfall?
pve-er
it is easier for me to find group too, I bet it is because there isn't that much noob Sin in NF so people are not suffer yet,so there is no much hate. on the other hand, due the Hero system, it is even hard to get group so people get whatever they can.
jesh
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on the other hand, due the Hero system, it is even hard to get group so people get whatever they can.
QFT. If I want to get something done, I don't bother with PuGs. Henches are better almost all the time. If I don't care, and I wanna screw around, I'll take whoever, just like I always have.
Kermitfrogie
I share your oppinion. I deleted my old assassin to even he had 15k luxon armor 
i made new one. First of all for 10k ancient armor and secondly because they are strong in NF.
i made new one. First of all for 10k ancient armor and secondly because they are strong in NF.
Priest Of Sin
I had no idea that the groups would be easier... i've been Powerleveling my heroes off Shiro 
Dutch Masterr
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QFT. If I want to get something done, I don't bother with PuGs. Henches are better almost all the time. If I don't care, and I wanna screw around, I'll take whoever, just like I always have.
the point of the game is to play with other people, not that im saying your wrong in doing that. i play with henches/heroes when im doing quests but always try to get a group of people when i do missions.
pve-er
I prefer doing mission with people even if they screw me up (got people to blame). the only time I hate people is when they quit in the middle of the game or call other member noobs.
Skuld
blah, assassins are for pvp ~.~
Dutch Masterr
yeah they really are for pvp, but i like them in pve too because its kind of a challenge.
jesh
I probably go for a PuG about 30-40% of the time. I know it's not supposed to be a single player game, which is why I'm almost always playing with a loved one. 
Spirit_Axery
All that early hate was probably justified. Luckily, there aren't a great many people who *really* suck at the 'sin and keep playing it. I think everyone feels that the 'sin playing pool has cleaned itself up over the last seven months.
As for the all-hench trend.. Well.. They 'are' excellent interrupters (and MM's, and monks), but just speaking for myself, I get invited to groups quickly enough, and would never even consider henching my own way through..
Way too lonely!
~ Mitsuki
As for the all-hench trend.. Well.. They 'are' excellent interrupters (and MM's, and monks), but just speaking for myself, I get invited to groups quickly enough, and would never even consider henching my own way through..
Way too lonely!
~ Mitsuki
jesh
Ack... 
I have a character with the same first name as you.
I have a character with the same first name as you.
A_Muppet
Several reasons Assassins are being accepted in Nightfall more readily imo...
1. The class has had time to settle. People have a feel for it's style, it's pros, it's cons. Early Factions had people discovering their limits. (Read: Wammos have stopped raping the class)
2. The players who are assassins now are the people who like the class. They've bothered to learn the style, practice and basically, they're good.
3. No Afflicted Soul Explosion. Because let's face it, -40 to anything up to -200 damage everytime you killed something was *such* a fu... pain. So no more 'fragile' assassins dying all the time.
4. More new people-lots of nightfall only players, never seen an assassin, so giving 'sins the benefit of the doubt and having them along.
1. The class has had time to settle. People have a feel for it's style, it's pros, it's cons. Early Factions had people discovering their limits. (Read: Wammos have stopped raping the class)
2. The players who are assassins now are the people who like the class. They've bothered to learn the style, practice and basically, they're good.
3. No Afflicted Soul Explosion. Because let's face it, -40 to anything up to -200 damage everytime you killed something was *such* a fu... pain. So no more 'fragile' assassins dying all the time.
4. More new people-lots of nightfall only players, never seen an assassin, so giving 'sins the benefit of the doubt and having them along.
Shuuda
Also...
People have found builds to make Sins good in PvE, like critical barrager.... etc.
The A/E Green Solo build proved the Sin ability to farm something.
People have found builds to make Sins good in PvE, like critical barrager.... etc.
The A/E Green Solo build proved the Sin ability to farm something.
Sora
Still, when I was playing as my assassin, looking for a group in a mission town(I think it's Kodonur Crossroads)
I came across with about 4-5 groups that was looking for more, they didn't state clearly what they're looking for so I just add myself, all I got was an instant reject.
I'm really pissed at that moment.
I came across with about 4-5 groups that was looking for more, they didn't state clearly what they're looking for so I just add myself, all I got was an instant reject.
I'm really pissed at that moment.
Yanman.be
Sora, that would have happened to any profession sometimes that random invites himself.
A_Muppet
Except monk. Sometimes I do that as a smiter just to annoy people. Petty I know, but it's fun having them bitch when they didn't ask me if I could change to healing or protection.
But no, assassins are still discriminated against, because people like cookie-cutter builds and don't like different things. You should hear the howls of 'n00b' when I set my ranger up for melee.
But no, assassins are still discriminated against, because people like cookie-cutter builds and don't like different things. You should hear the howls of 'n00b' when I set my ranger up for melee.
Bloodied Blade
I'm gonna have to agree with Skuld here...I love assassins, they're my favorite character in the game to play. But, they're for pvp.
TABellis
I disaggree, Assassins are both for PvP and PvE, I only play PvP when I get bored with PvE, and my assassin does just as well in either place. The only reason that Assassins seem better for PvP is that it has a more confined area and spacific targets, PvE is mostly just kill kill kill, if there is a monk, Ele, or Mes, kill them first if not, doesn't matter much. But they aren't Less effective in PvE or Built just for PvP. They are still like any other class, they have a good role to play and do it well depending on the player, in both PvE and PvP.
Glints Bane
Man I used to be one of those guys that said "no sins" when forming a group, But yesterday I changed my mind. I was doing 1 on 1 and 2 on 2 PvP with my guildies and many people came one of which was an assassin...I got "stuck" with her and thought great were gonna loose...But then bam with my blood spike and her quick dmg we killed...no...slaughtered any opposong team. So after I saw the potential of what an assassin can do I started one...And at lvl 6 almost killed a lvl 20 ranger in my guild.
Sairier
I really agree with TABellis. Assassins, just like any other class are both for PvE and PvP. The role of the assassin may change in PvE, but slightly. And yes, Assassins, I feel have better credibility in Nightfall, especially when you can wear Legendary Survivor on one. ;-)
pve-er
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I really agree with TABellis. Assassins, just like any other class are both for PvE and PvP. The role of the assassin may change in PvE, but slightly. And yes, Assassins, I feel have better credibility in Nightfall, especially when you can wear Legendary Survivor on one. ;-)
Legendary Survivor = quitter, I don't think I want them. a good teammate will die with the group if they fail. legendary survivor only mean they will leave when think don't look too nice even there still big chance to win.
I I I Inferno I I I
My crit barrager build:
16 crit strikes
11marksmanship
8 shadow arts
A/R
barrage, disrupting shot, savage shot,concussion shot,sharpen daggers,critical eye,dark escape, shadow refuge
(works well for 5man fow)
sins are underestimated by experts of all classes...
a sin is a crossbreed between a berserker war, a dom mes, and a ranger..
sins call do all the stuff tht they do with only 5nrg for most spells and a fast attack speed and very high dmg and chains
commonly used build : dgen sin (very usefull against casters and warriors and 55hp)
A/E
16 crit strikes
12 dagger master
8 shadow arts
palm strike,blinding power,death blossom,shock,falling spider,twisting fangs, shadow refuge, recall (if u got a monk) freigned nutrality
and my personal fave
repeating sin
16 crit (dont forget every time u crit hit u get 3nrg)
12 dagger m
8 shadow rts
palm strike,blinding power,repeadating strike,death b,spirit of shelter,mending,healing b,shadow refuge
have fun
16 crit strikes
11marksmanship
8 shadow arts
A/R
barrage, disrupting shot, savage shot,concussion shot,sharpen daggers,critical eye,dark escape, shadow refuge
(works well for 5man fow)
sins are underestimated by experts of all classes...
a sin is a crossbreed between a berserker war, a dom mes, and a ranger..
sins call do all the stuff tht they do with only 5nrg for most spells and a fast attack speed and very high dmg and chains
commonly used build : dgen sin (very usefull against casters and warriors and 55hp)
A/E
16 crit strikes
12 dagger master
8 shadow arts
palm strike,blinding power,death blossom,shock,falling spider,twisting fangs, shadow refuge, recall (if u got a monk) freigned nutrality
and my personal fave
repeating sin
16 crit (dont forget every time u crit hit u get 3nrg)
12 dagger m
8 shadow rts
palm strike,blinding power,repeadating strike,death b,spirit of shelter,mending,healing b,shadow refuge
have fun
Yanman.be
16 critical strikes is really overkill, especially if you're running dagger mastery.
For every level of dagger mastery, you'll also gain 1 percent of critical hits. So above 13 crit strikes, it has no use investing points in crit strikes, because you would get more damage from a higher investment in dagger mastery, and you keep your crit hit percentage.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Dagger_Mastery
Let's take my example Yanssassin build. I use 15 DM and 14 critical strikes.
15 DM = 21% crit hit , +14% from crit strikes = 35
If we would simply switch the attributes around, we get the following equation:
14 DM = 19.6% crit hit, + 15% from crit strikes = 34.6
So, in general, for making a build that uses critical strikes:
Get at least 13 critical strikes. If you have left-over points, prefer putting them into your weapon mastery, unless you can get 2 more critical strike levels, and only 1 weapon mastery.
Critical strikes = 1% per level
Weapon Masterty = 1.3% per level
I hope anybody who took the time to read this actually understood it, if not, I'll make a YanGraph, explaining it more.
Bottomline: investing in the weapon mastery gives more crit hit percentage ( AND BONUS DAMAGE! don't forget! ) than investing in critical strikes.
For every level of dagger mastery, you'll also gain 1 percent of critical hits. So above 13 crit strikes, it has no use investing points in crit strikes, because you would get more damage from a higher investment in dagger mastery, and you keep your crit hit percentage.
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Dagger_Mastery
Let's take my example Yanssassin build. I use 15 DM and 14 critical strikes.
15 DM = 21% crit hit , +14% from crit strikes = 35
If we would simply switch the attributes around, we get the following equation:
14 DM = 19.6% crit hit, + 15% from crit strikes = 34.6
So, in general, for making a build that uses critical strikes:
Get at least 13 critical strikes. If you have left-over points, prefer putting them into your weapon mastery, unless you can get 2 more critical strike levels, and only 1 weapon mastery.
Critical strikes = 1% per level
Weapon Masterty = 1.3% per level
I hope anybody who took the time to read this actually understood it, if not, I'll make a YanGraph, explaining it more.
Bottomline: investing in the weapon mastery gives more crit hit percentage ( AND BONUS DAMAGE! don't forget! ) than investing in critical strikes.
I I I Inferno I I I
sorry 4 tht XD didnt notice...
trying to manage 6 sin builds atm and tryin 2 find a way for invinci sin runner...
ty for the notice
trying to manage 6 sin builds atm and tryin 2 find a way for invinci sin runner...
ty for the notice
pingu666
its because anyone playing a assassin or rit in nightfall really likes them, is therefore probably pretty good with them. plus call to tourment or whatever makes killing stuff fast really important, so assassins shine.
stuff not exploding helps too
stuff not exploding helps too
A_Muppet
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stuff not exploding helps too
Yes. Whoever thought of that should be cuffed about the back of the head. 
Yes. Whoever thought of that should be cuffed about the back of the head.
Phantom Flux
I think you are just jealous because you just aren't good enough to even earn a survivor title. For an assassin to get that is very impressive and yeah, I am one of those that will leave a group if I see a team of idiots expecting me to die in their failure with them. No way. People worked pretty hard (or traded gold pretty well) to earn their titles buddy!
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Legendary Survivor = quitter, I don't think I want them. a good teammate will die with the group if they fail. legendary survivor only mean they will leave when think don't look too nice even there still big chance to win.
Phantom Flux
I think Assassins and Ritualists get an attraction in Nightfalls as a Paragon and Dervish does in the other campaigns because of they are like foreign exchange students collaborating with one another. lol.
Dutch Masterr
this was the biggest problem for pve sins in factions and why people probably thought they were bad---afflicted soul explosion did about 120 damage when you killed any afflicted, which were everywhere in cantha. made a sins life hard in pve.
pve-er
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I think you are just jealous because you just aren't good enough to even earn a survivor title. For an assassin to get that is very impressive and yeah, I am one of those that will leave a group if I see a team of idiots expecting me to die in their failure with them. No way. People worked pretty hard (or traded gold pretty well) to earn their titles buddy!
I admit I sucks. but i am not jealous. you should go back and play single person game no matter how good you are. because you are a selfish quitter you just don't know how it feel when people quit on you when you need a quest or mission done. you never feel anything because you left already. if everyone play it your way then we better not have a team system as it is totally meaningless.
group of idiot? you cannot prove that all the members in your group are idiot. yes there are some idiot but not all in the group are idiot. you sound like PUG = noobs. please don't forget you WERE one of them at the beginning as well.
group of idiot? you cannot prove that all the members in your group are idiot. yes there are some idiot but not all in the group are idiot. you sound like PUG = noobs. please don't forget you WERE one of them at the beginning as well.
Carth`
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Legendary Survivor = quitter, I don't think I want them. a good teammate will die with the group if they fail. legendary survivor only mean they will leave when think don't look too nice even there still big chance to win.
Legendary Survivor means they have the title maxed, and can die and won't lose it. Many people with any rank of survivor have already died, and won't leave. The people who haven't died yet are likely to be playing alone since PUGs = death.
P.S. with that last posts it just sounds like you're trolling, just posting to bait people into arguments.
P.S. with that last posts it just sounds like you're trolling, just posting to bait people into arguments.
pve-er
sorry for that post, I am just too pissed with quitters and that guy's accuse . being in the game so long and screwed by quitters too much.
Don't ask me to bring guildies, I haven't seen any of my guildies for ages and guildie don't mean they are better then PUG
Don't ask me to bring guildies, I haven't seen any of my guildies for ages and guildie don't mean they are better then PUG
Saphatorael
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I think you are just jealous because you just aren't good enough to even earn a survivor title. For an assassin to get that is very impressive and yeah, I am one of those that will leave a group if I see a team of idiots expecting me to die in their failure with them. No way. People worked pretty hard (or traded gold pretty well) to earn their titles buddy!
Oh please, you think it's hard to get a survivor title? Just stay in the background whilst henchmen/friends kill everything for you, and doing easy quests with big rewards (Cantha, anyone)
Second rank is less common, but still props for that.
And for Legendaries. Well, they've earned my respect since they actually bothered to get the title. But it's still not that hard. Just time consuming to kill all those bosses.
And if you fail? Just remake the character.
Also, you're a moron if you just randomly join groups that way, then ragequit later. You're the type of 'survivor quitter' everybody hates. Ask what build everybody runs and give suggestions (Anet added in the skillbar calling option for some reasons eh), then perhaps you wouldn't have to quit.
I'm not THAT a hardcore PvE'er, so I've never bothered.
But don't act all arrogant because you actually have the title because you care. I don't. And I don't look at titles in PvE when I start a group (except in RoT, loads of people don't know about the Lightbringer thing.)
NO, this is not a flaming post. Just constructive criticism.
Second rank is less common, but still props for that.
And for Legendaries. Well, they've earned my respect since they actually bothered to get the title. But it's still not that hard. Just time consuming to kill all those bosses.
And if you fail? Just remake the character.
Also, you're a moron if you just randomly join groups that way, then ragequit later. You're the type of 'survivor quitter' everybody hates. Ask what build everybody runs and give suggestions (Anet added in the skillbar calling option for some reasons eh), then perhaps you wouldn't have to quit.
I'm not THAT a hardcore PvE'er, so I've never bothered.
But don't act all arrogant because you actually have the title because you care. I don't. And I don't look at titles in PvE when I start a group (except in RoT, loads of people don't know about the Lightbringer thing.)
NO, this is not a flaming post. Just constructive criticism.
ShadowbaneX
IMO, the main reason that assassins are getting some respect is that those that actually bothered to bring them over to Elona were the ones that knew what they were doing back in Factions. Those you usually see are those that know the class. They haven't really gotten any better or worse, they were just lost in the flood of people who played Mending Whammo's from Prophecies. Now that the Whammo mentality is currently tainting the Dervish, those that are playing the Assassin are showing the haters what they can actually do.
Dutch Masterr
in a assassin vs warrior fight, there is a good probability that both will win. assassins have higher damage and degen, while warriors have lower damage and higher armor. the only builds i have trouble against as an assassin is riposte warriors and vigorous spirit/live vicariously/dolyak sig/healing hands warriors. bassically, if your an assassin you should know all the builds people are running, or at least know what they are going to do with their build. that way if you come across an opponent, observe their build and either fight or kite it you cann beat them or not.
Feurin Longcastle
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in a assassin vs warrior fight, there is a good probability that both will win. assassins have higher damage and degen, while warriors have lower damage and higher armor. the only builds i have trouble against as an assassin is riposte warriors and vigorous spirit/live vicariously/dolyak sig/healing hands warriors. bassically, if your an assassin you should know all the builds people are running, or at least know what they are going to do with their build. that way if you come across an opponent, observe their build and either fight or kite it you cann beat them or not.
Problem is, this isn't a realistic scenario in GW, PvE or PvP. You either need a build that can dish out damage effectively and sustainably while not being ultra-fragile (PvE) or a build that can handle a niche role on a team, be it spiking, pressure or something else (PvP). One on one fights aren't really relevent, and don't reflect the power of a class all that well.
pingu666
if your going for survivor title, then you play differently, i got survivor title on my assassin, but i wouldnt say i really knew how to play him *really* well
a command paragon goes well with a assassin tho
go for the eyes, stand your ground and watch yourself, plus a optional antham of flame
+40~al, near certainity of critical hits, and every 10 seconds some burny action
a command paragon goes well with a assassin tho
go for the eyes, stand your ground and watch yourself, plus a optional antham of flame
+40~al, near certainity of critical hits, and every 10 seconds some burny action
zeroxy
the AP and Crit Barrager builds are the best for pve..
Although I do love running AoD builds and mass blind, deep wound, daze and bleeding with epidemic
The thing that makes sins so fun to play is their style..you can't just rush in and stand there taking hits while attacking a single target with all your skill bar like wammos do.(I do respect good tanks however, no offense guys )
And don't you just love it when you see a whole group that cant attack or cast spells, degening to death? HAHAHA
Although I do love running AoD builds and mass blind, deep wound, daze and bleeding with epidemic
The thing that makes sins so fun to play is their style..you can't just rush in and stand there taking hits while attacking a single target with all your skill bar like wammos do.(I do respect good tanks however, no offense guys
)And don't you just love it when you see a whole group that cant attack or cast spells, degening to death? HAHAHA
ecknine
hey people ... Assasins Never Sucked ... where do u get this from , people who say assasin's suck probably never played one or just listened too what the crowd says ...i mean , Assasin never where bad , just played poorly by 12 year olds who think 'ninja's' are cool. I still hate it when people Say it ...i have something like : oh My Gawd ...have u ever played an assasin , guess not , cause if u would have played you wouldn't say they suck unless YOU suck AT being an Assasin !
Who even started this 'romour' that assasin's suck ... wheres this 12 year old kid ?
~silent ecknine
Who even started this 'romour' that assasin's suck ... wheres this 12 year old kid ?
~silent ecknine